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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Don’t dare hope the difference is only about 15,000 so that could definitely move if its 650k outstanding
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Lycus posted:AG Gorka. THE DRAGON OF BUDAPEST BECOMES THE TIAMAT OF JUSTICE!!! MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! GOOOOORKAAAAAAA!!!!!
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Can populated blue states start incentivizing moving to blood red states? If California give a democrat voter 10K to move to a red state in a red district, it could move some needles. It sounds really dumb, but this self sorting that the democrats have done is a huge problem. It would be much easier and moral/ethical to abolish the senate and democratize our economy and political system than it would be to do basically the Indian Removal Act for white libs
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Can populated blue states start incentivizing moving to blood red states? If California give a democrat voter 10K to move to a red state in a red district, it could move some needles. It sounds really dumb, but this self sorting that the democrats have done is a huge problem. no individual state is going to incentivize repopulating other states. it's against their own interests. dems making rural states and areas more livable with infrastructure investments and such would help a lot, but that would require the dems to commit to government spending, which they're deathly terrified of
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Z. Autobahn posted:I think the reasonable model of a 2018+ Dem Senator is a a guy who's pro-M4A, pro-taxing the rich, anti-gun-control, pro-life, and just sorta evades the topic of immigration. If you think this is the future, your version of the Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and a waste of marginalized people's time. We have literal concentration camps for immigrants and Republicans are as we speak trying to kill Roe, social centrism is trash.
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Condiv posted:i'm actually surprised the dems are as muted as they are about climate change Its because of a couple of factors. First and foremost, most of our elected officials came to power in the old age where no one actually had to understand the issues that's what the staff is for. Climate change is such a massive overwhelming issue that it actually requires understanding to discuss it meaningfully. You have to not just understand what's happening to the globe (voters don't care about other places) you have to understand that and also understand how climate change impacts your community. That's a lot of understanding for politicians and their staff who usually know less about science or society than they do about budget rules. The second big reason you don't here more climate talk from politicians is that the impactful statements draw stupid rear end gotchas from the media like flies to tasty bbq. So you try to connect the dots and say "local community, if we don't do something our favorite river is going to die!" You'll get all the earned media you expect turned into lovely rear end think pieces about how you're wrong and scaring people for no reason, "scientists say its only a 70% chance of occurring and what if we magic water into the river instead!" So they say nothing because being a coward usually works better than being risky in politics if you're already an incumbent. So they say the same platitudes and treat it like racism or sexism, a vague bad issue that we need to fix, but with no discussion of the hard choices fixing it requires.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Can populated blue states start incentivizing moving to blood red states? If California give a democrat voter 10K to move to a red state in a red district, it could move some needles. It sounds really dumb, but this self sorting that the democrats have done is a huge problem. Ironically, I think California is kind of doing this by failing to pass the rent control amendment, albeit in a roundabout way.
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I know it's screaming into the wind with everything going on today, but to everyone who reached out in the State/Local thread to get hooked into canvassing / phone banking / text banking / etc: thank you. Win or lose, you changed how you interact with the country, you probably met at least one person you're going to remember the rest of your life, and I hope at least one person who was new to all of it keeps the magic alive. It's still screaming Hellworld out here, but building power at the street level with the well-meaning maniacs of society (and also goons) is how the world changes. That said JESUS CHRIST I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A NAP gently caress OFF NEWS CYCLE
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evilweasel posted:yeah, and you'd need to be a loving idiot to think nancy pelosi is a bipartisan decorum person. during the obama years she was always the much more hard-nosed no compromises dem leader, got the house to pass all sorts of liberal stuff that didn't pass the senate, and successfully denied republicans support on innumerable occasions by keeping her caucus united I personally think her crowning achievement during the Obama years was whipping the Dem caucus in favor of cuts to social security + deferring medicare to age 67. It takes a super-strong Dem leader to get the party responsible for those two wildly popular programs to offer to destroy them on behalf of a Dem president!
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Conspiratiorist posted:America is too large a country to make assumptions about a generalized collapse of the state, but the 2C+ world we're looking at by 2040 isn't compatible with the worldwide logistics chain that makes modern society possible. no. by 2040 you're going to have more severe hurricanes and water issues that force some very specific coastal areas in Florida to move and many others to spend some money on mitigation, but each individual hurricane hits a handful of coastal counties once a year, so one or two individual towns/counties will be abandoned or not rebuilt at a time. this does not mean Florida gets abandoned or the end of logistics chains or other doomsday predictions, it means the end of cheap flood insurance coupled with increased grid redundancy and large amounts of money spent on maintenance in major cities to keep them livable. 2100 with no further technological progress and increased global denialism would definitely suck balls in the US and start going down the uninhabitability route in Bangladesh, but even that's a stretch
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Can populated blue states start incentivizing moving to blood red states? If California give a democrat voter 10K to move to a red state in a red district, it could move some needles. It sounds really dumb, but this self sorting that the democrats have done is a huge problem. The problem is that Dems have failed to help rural voters who now have sky-high suicide rates and lovely economic fortunes. On top of all that, a shitload of their rural hospitals closed in the last decade. Rural voters will vote for people that help them. https://twitter.com/unabanned/status/1060288892040024065
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Things are getting exciting... https://twitter.com/patrickdmarley/status/1060301509584404480
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Lightning Knight posted:If you think this is the future, your version of the Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and a waste of marginalized people's time. We have literal concentration camps for immigrants and Republicans are as we speak trying to kill Roe, social centrism is trash. indeed also: https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1060286024582975491 Condiv fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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 that's horrifying tho, not gonna lie. Like I know it's good that we can convince them to vote D but... woof.
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Lightning Knight posted:If you think this is the future, your version of the Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and a waste of marginalized people's time. We have literal concentration camps for immigrants and Republicans are as we speak trying to kill Roe, social centrism is trash. Who would you prefer as senator in WV, Joe Manchins, a republican, or this imaginary guy (Joe Manchin with better economics)?
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exploded mummy posted:the difference is only about 15,000 so that could definitely move if its 650k outstanding 47 sounds a lot better than 46
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You could also put one polling place max in each rural county far away from towns and then move them on the day of the election and give them 1 voting machine without a power cord. Sadly Dems lack the willpower and imagination necessary to disenfranchise rural voters in ways proven to work.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Who would you prefer as senator in WV, Joe Manchins, a republican, or this imaginary guy (Joe Manchin with better economics)? Joe Manchin is effectively a Republican so two of these choices are identical, and there is no imaginary alternative running against Joe Manchin that is not quite as poo poo. I think Senate Dems in red states are hosed regardless of what I'd like them to do tho tbh.
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Condiv posted:no individual state is going to incentivize repopulating other states. it's against their own interests. Phi230 posted:It would be much easier and moral/ethical to abolish the senate and democratize our economy and political system than it would be to do basically the Indian Removal Act for white libs I admitted it was dumb, but sometimes dumb works in this country. Lightning Knight posted:If you think this is the future, your version of the Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and a waste of marginalized people's time. We have literal concentration camps for immigrants and Republicans are as we speak trying to kill Roe, social centrism is trash. I feel like you are ignoring the first part of his statement, which was we have a catch 22 in democratic policy, and winning rural districts. Your response indicates you think the districts are winnable by pushing for policies thaey have resoundly rejected time and time again. I don't like it either, but i don't have a good answer. The hypotheical person being described sounds like bill loving clinton, and it makes me angry that we have to stoop to that level to even attempt to win.
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All it takes to paint 100% of democrats as gun-grabbers is for a single California or Hawaiian state rep to be pro-gun regulations. It doesn't matter one iota if the local dem opposes gun-regulations, they'll just be tarred by the words of another democrat and called a liar out to take the guns. See 2016 & 2018 where a bunch of Democrats ran away from the national popularity of gun regulations and still didn't win the single issue gun voters. And it makes sense, if all you care about is guns, vote Republican regardless of what the Democrat says, because the Republicans will always be more in favor of whatever gun manufacturers want and the Democrats can't beat that history.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Can populated blue states start incentivizing moving to blood red states? If California give a democrat voter 10K to move to a red state in a red district, it could move some needles. It sounds really dumb, but this self sorting that the democrats have done is a huge problem. One of the reasons i settled down in the lovely podunk I was born in TBH - someone's gonna have to be living here to vote for luxury gay space communism 50 years after the rest of the country has it. The cheap property and low cost of living don't hurt either. Living around other leftists is overrated and frankly I'd probably just grow to resent them. Being exposed to the CHUD on full blast daily keeps my hate white hot and calmly focused.
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Condiv posted:i'm actually surprised the dems are as muted as they are about climate change It makes sense to me, Climate Change is very much a losing proposition in rural parts of the country (they want their bigass trucks and coal and poo poo), and when you start to push it people get cold feet. Like to actually do something we will all have to make lifestyle sacrifices at some point and pay a lot to update to a greener grid. So sure, suburbanites and urban populations agree that it's scary and we should do something, but I feel like they'll just get spooked when that something is drafted into legislation. Unfortunately it's very low on the priority list as well. I, sincerely, wish this was not the case.
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Dick Trauma posted:Things are getting exciting... Take power away how, exactly?
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Lightning Knight posted:If you think this is the future, your version of the Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and a waste of marginalized people's time. We have literal concentration camps for immigrants and Republicans are as we speak trying to kill Roe, social centrism is trash. Which future? The ultimate big picture future of America? No. The short-term future we need to help marginalized people? It's the only one I see. Your alternate proposal was two guys who lost in purplish states so I'm not sure how it remotely offers a vision of winning much redder ones. A huge swath of Americans are awful racist misogynists who reliably vote for those things, and unfortunately, our garbage constitution disproportionately empowers them. Just because we don't want that to be the case doesn't magically make it so.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The problem is that Dems have failed to help rural voters who now have sky-high suicide rates and lovely economic fortunes. On top of all that, a shitload of their rural hospitals closed in the last decade. They vote for people who lie to them and never have any intention of helping them.
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Scott Walker finally conceded. Thank god.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I feel like you are ignoring the first part of his statement, which was we have a catch 22 in democratic policy, and winning rural districts. Your response indicates you think the districts are winnable by pushing for policies thaey have resoundly rejected time and time again. I don't like it either, but i don't have a good answer. The hypotheical person being described sounds like bill loving clinton, and it makes me angry that we have to stoop to that level to even attempt to win. I don't think I was clear before. Gun control is a life or death issue for millions of Americans. Reproductive health care is a life or death issue. Concentration camps for immigrants is a life or death issue. As we speak, immigrants are in concentration camps. There is no acceptable centrist position on these issues. The centrist position is abolishing ICE.
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While I am unsure of it will matter, it’s nice to see the media openly showing this dude is a piece of poo poo and corrupt as gently caress.
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Rich Uncle Chet posted:I can’t wait for Kempto Anti-Gay the entire film industry out of Atlanta Really, you could do much worse than Kemp when it comes to LGBT stuff. Much, much worse. If he wins, then I guess we'll see if he'll do like Deal and side with the pro business republicans instead of the bible thumpers.
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Your Taint posted:Take power away how, exactly? Remember North Carolina? Probably something similar to that where they limit appointments Evers can do, I'm guessing.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think I was clear before. Gun control is a life or death issue for millions of Americans. Reproductive health care is a life or death issue. Concentration camps for immigrants is a life or death issue. Yes. Taking control of the Senate by running Dems who can win in those states, flaws and all, is the absolute best way to help all of those people, because once Dems control the Senate, they can pass legislation like voter rights, more statehoods, etc., that will then let them control the Senate much more reliably and therefore not need red state Dems. I don't love the idea at all, but we live in a broken country with a broken system. Your counterproposal appears to be: 1) Dems permanently lose the Senate 2) ??? 3) ??? 4) ???
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Condiv posted:no individual state is going to incentivize repopulating other states. it's against their own interests. Step one - national broadband network. I know people who would be fine with living in a more rural setting but don't want to deal with poo poo internet access because it means disconnecting yourself from large chunks of popular culture and society.
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Lightning Knight posted:Joe Manchin is effectively a Republican so two of these choices are identical, and there is no imaginary alternative running against Joe Manchin that is not quite as poo poo. Nah, effectively a republican and actually a republican are not the same, even if both suck.
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Z. Autobahn posted:Yes. Taking control of the Senate by running Dems who can win in those states, flaws and all, is the absolute best way to help all of those people, because once Dems control the Senate, they can pass legislation like voter rights, more statehoods, etc., that will then let them control the Senate much more reliably and therefore not need red state Dems. Which you will accomplish in a reasonable timescale given global warming... how? Do you not recognize how ghoulish it is to decide that the issues of marginalized people - including poor white people! - are the ones that need sacrificing so that the Donnelly's of the world can keep their seats?
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Eeyo posted:It makes sense to me, Climate Change is very much a losing proposition in rural parts of the country (they want their bigass trucks and coal and poo poo), and when you start to push it people get cold feet. Like to actually do something we will all have to make lifestyle sacrifices at some point and pay a lot to update to a greener grid. So sure, suburbanites and urban populations agree that it's scary and we should do something, but I feel like they'll just get spooked when that something is drafted into legislation. Unfortunately it's very low on the priority list as well. Which is of course ironic, since those rural districts are going to be destroyed by climate change while adaptation in cities will be much more feasible. Invasive species, rainfall pattern changes, declining frost hours, increased peak temps, worsened storms, all will do more to devastate the economy of those rural districts more than the service oriented urban districts. We might save the French Quarter, but we're not going to save all of Lafourche Parish (too late).
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think I was clear before. Gun control is a life or death issue for millions of Americans. Reproductive health care is a life or death issue. Concentration camps for immigrants is a life or death issue. I don't disagree, but I don't see many people winning with those beliefs at a national level. There are so many important issues, I worry trying to carry them all will dilute any push on any given one. Trabisnikof posted:All it takes to paint 100% of democrats as gun-grabbers is for a single California or Hawaiian state rep to be pro-gun regulations. It doesn't matter one iota if the local dem opposes gun-regulations, they'll just be tarred by the words of another democrat and called a liar out to take the guns. This is true of many issues, but I don't feel like we should let right wing framing decide how we pursue our goals. Deified Data posted:One of the reasons i settled down in the lovely podunk I was born in TBH - someone's gonna have to be living here to vote for luxury gay space communism 50 years after the rest of the country has it. I grew up in a blood red area, and I just could not stay there. Good on you for holding your ground.
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captainblastum posted:Nah, effectively a republican and actually a republican are not the same, even if both suck. i'm not sure the distinction is worthwhile when we're talking about a guy who would like to rip away jus soli and voted an unqualified rapist onto the supreme court
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Lightning Knight posted:Which you will accomplish in a reasonable timescale given global warming... how? Yes, it is extremely ghoulish. We live in a deeply ghoulish country and a huge percentage of our countrymen are literal awful ghouls. My proposal is, essentially, tricking those ghouls into looking the other way exactly long enough to disempower them. What's your proposal?
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