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Munkeymon posted:I very well may be using the wrong legal term, but my understanding is that a different test is applied to laws restricting abortions and laws restricting murder fetish purchases. All they have to do is slowly alter the former test until it's only unconstitutional to deny access to abortion if the law states a clinic must be in an aircraft connected to a level one trauma center by a paper mache tunnel or something. Guns are probably a bad example, since they are constitutionally protected and therefore not a valid comparison to abortion. Now that I think about it more critically, overturning abortion would be way, way easier.
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corn in the bible posted:Doug Jones loving sucks dude For a Democrat from Alabama he's further left than any of the Blue Dogs that lost Tuesday night except maybe Bill Nelson.
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corn in the bible posted:Doug Jones loving sucks dude If you read my post...I never said anything positive about him. I stated that there is a large voting block that carried him to victory.
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Here we go https://mobile.twitter.com/nbc6/status/1060182500188786688
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Side discussion: I think that depends entirely on what level of enthusiasm Dems can muster for their Presidential candidate. Someone who was as like-able and competent at campaigning as Obama will probably drag up a lot of other races. Running Hillary again would probably flip the House back to red.
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Nov 8, 2018 15:48
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Kimsemus posted:Guns are probably a bad example, since they are constitutionally protected and therefore not a valid comparison to abortion. Yes, all they have to do is decide abortion isn't constitutionally protected and then it's all out the window regardless
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What happens when Scott puts the Imperius Curse on the people in charge of the recount though 
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friendbot2000 posted:If you read my post...I never said anything positive about him. I stated that there is a large voting block that carried him to victory. I'll say something positive. He's not a child molester. Good lord the closeness of that race. 
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corn in the bible posted:Doug Jones loving sucks dude Sure but he isn’t the pedophile Roy or klansmen Jeff sessions.
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this is a day old, the question is whether the recount will be machine or by hand because the count's not done yet https://twitter.com/dwbeard/status/1060543156738015234
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It doesn't seem like this fixes the problem--recounts never overturn races and certainly not ones as far apart as that one was
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friendbot2000 posted:I don't think this is true. Doug Jones won through the votes of black men and women. We can do that again. Texas showed us that EVERY state can be competitive. Democrats just need a candidate with charisma that will bring people to the polls. I know that things look bleak because...Alabama, but every state can be won if you run an actual person and not an empty suit. He also won because he was running against a guy who got banned from malls for creeping on underage girls.
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Kimsemus posted:Guns are probably a bad example, since they are constitutionally protected and therefore not a valid comparison to abortion. Ah, the 'substantial burden test' https://www.oyez.org/cases/2015/15-274 English sucks poo poo as a formal language IDK how lawtalkers manage
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friendbot2000 posted:I don't think this is true. Doug Jones won through the votes of black men and women. We can do that again. Texas showed us that EVERY state can be competitive. Democrats just need a candidate with charisma that will bring people to the polls. I know that things look bleak because...Alabama, but every state can be won if you run an actual person and not an empty suit. Doug Jones is going to switch parties.
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Lol https://twitter.com/wcbs880/status/1060541622675562496?s=19
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corn in the bible posted:Yes, all they have to do is decide abortion isn't constitutionally protected and then it's all out the window regardless They shuffled abortion under an autonomy umbrella, which is a separate body of law. The current legal trend is that the law/judiciary has big qualms about affirmatively doing something to someone's body or autonomy, but is way way more open about restricting autonomous liberties.
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Munkeymon posted:Ah, the 'substantial burden test' https://www.oyez.org/cases/2015/15-274 we managed as badly as I did trying to respond to you  which is my fault.
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the funny thing is he would unironically be much better for basically everything
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FuturePastNow posted:I think that depends entirely on what level of enthusiasm Dems can muster for their Presidential candidate. Someone who was as like-able and competent at campaigning as Obama will probably drag up a lot of other races. Running Hillary again would probably flip the House back to red. I think any candidate with even a nominal level of charisma beats Trump. The younger set of candidates like Gillibrand/Harris/Booker have less history to lie about, and Hillary had to have 30 years of baggage, the charisma of a wet sponge, a bullshit "email scandal" and an FBI director who decided to put his finger on the scale to lose to Trump. If the economy craps itself, then Trump goes down to a loving ham sandwich with a (D) next to its name. eke out posted:the funny thing is he would unironically be much better for basically everything Actually, Christie would be better. I can't believe I just said that. Ew. Ew ew ew.
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I just think you underestimate how happy these people are to just outright gently caress people over.
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corn in the bible posted:I just think you underestimate how happy these people are to just outright gently caress people over. Yeah, most of the anti-Beto stuff I saw on facebook was *pure* spite voting.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/ian-long-identified-as-thousand-oaks-california-shooting-gunmanquote:The gunman who carried out a mass shooting at a nightclub in Thousand Oaks, California, has been reportedly identified as Ian Long, 29, of Southern California. Twelve people, including veteran Sheriff's Deputy Ron Helus, were shot dead at the Borderline Bar & Grill late Wednesday night. Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said the gunman was found dead inside the nightclub after the second wave of police arrived after Helus’ death. Dean said it “appeared” that the gunman’s wound was self-inflicted and that he carried no form of identification. Eyewitnesses said the gunman was dressed all in black and deployed smoke bombs before opening fire on the dance floor. A law-enforcement source told the Los Angeles Times the gunman drove his mother’s vehicle to the bar.
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Harrow posted:Very slim. I suspect you and a lot of people are underestimating what Beto did in Texas. That "Republican in Texas" advantage might not be as strong as people believe it is anymore after this year's election. He finally, finally fired up an eternally depressed section of democratic voters in a way they haven't been in over a decade. His efforts were a massive tailwind for a bunch of state and local level positions that are now solid Dem. Including how every elected judge in Houston was flipped from R to D, with several being outright DSA. There's still very much an R advantage in Texas, but Beto put some rather big cracks in the dam and we'll see if the R's can seal the leaks against an energized Democratic base. And even if they can, Beto made it very, very clear that the GOP is now actually going to have to spend money to keep their hold on Texas instead of just getting it for free. Money that will have to come from somewhere.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Actually, Christie would be better. I can't believe I just said that. Ew. Ew ew ew. given that the proposed alternatives are Pam Bondi and Kris Kobach, I'm confident in saying Christie is insanely better he's even repeatedly been on the record supporting the mueller probe. so probably he won't be nominated
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Alkydere posted:I suspect you and a lot of people are underestimating what Beto did in Texas. That "Republican in Texas" advantage might not be as strong as people believe it is anymore after this year's election. He finally, finally fired up an eternally depressed section of democratic voters in a way they haven't been in over a decade. His efforts were a massive tailwind for a bunch of state and local level positions that are now solid Dem. Including how every elected judge in Houston was flipped from R to D, with several being outright DSA. I think Beto needs to keep his organization intact and challenge Cornyn in 2020. Cornyn is a fossil and has no idea how to run a real campaign anymore.
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eke out posted:given that the proposed alternatives are Pam Bondi and Kris Kobach, I'm confident in saying Christie is insanely better Depends on what McConnell tells him, and if Bondi/Kobach are the only alternatives then he might tell Trump "we can get Christie with 60+ votes, pick him".
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Alkydere posted:I suspect you and a lot of people are underestimating what Beto did in Texas. That "Republican in Texas" advantage might not be as strong as people believe it is anymore after this year's election. He finally, finally fired up an eternally depressed section of democratic voters in a way they haven't been in over a decade. His efforts were a massive tailwind for a bunch of state and local level positions that are now solid Dem. Including how every elected judge in Houston was flipped from R to D, with several being outright DSA. The only way Cornyn will stop being senator is if he gets primaried from the right
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Alkydere posted:I suspect you and a lot of people are underestimating what Beto did in Texas. That "Republican in Texas" advantage might not be as strong as people believe it is anymore after this year's election. He finally, finally fired up an eternally depressed section of democratic voters in a way they haven't been in over a decade. His efforts were a massive tailwind for a bunch of state and local level positions that are now solid Dem. Including how every elected judge in Houston was flipped from R to D, with several being outright DSA. It was Ted Cruz though. "If Ted Cruz was shot in the middle of the Senate and the trial was in the Senate, no one would convict you." - Lindsay Graham Basically everyone, EVERYONE hates Ted Cruz, voting him in again was the equivalent of a Texan hatefuck.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Actually, Christie would be better. I can't believe I just said that. Ew. Ew ew ew. It's hard to imagine a worse option for attorney general than Jeff Sessions. I mean, a randomly selected openly racist sheriff, Don Jr., or a mystically animated statue of a confederate general would all be worse choices, but they'd never get past the senate. Just kidding, they'd totally be confirmed in an almost party line vote with one or two dems in red states voting to confirm.
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mdemone posted:"Modern"? it’s to differentiate it from things like massacres of black americans and native americans in the 1800s and such.
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Random Stranger posted:It's hard to imagine a worse option for attorney general than Jeff Sessions. I mean, a randomly selected openly racist sheriff, Don Jr., or a mystically animated statue of a confederate general would all be worse choices, but they'd never get past the senate. Don't be silly. Collins would vote no after confirming with McConnell that he'd be confirmed regardless
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Tibalt posted:This is a good post and is correct. It also illustrates why Senators like Manchin are so valuable and so good. Manchin was the deciding vote to put a massive anti-lgbt and anti-woman bigot on to the Supreme Court- where said bigot is promptly going to work very hard to take away rights from those groups. At the time support for Mansion was justified because he was necessary to flip the Senate, and like all mcgarty posters who objected I was lectured repeatedly on how flipping the Senate would justify all the ill that Manchin was doing. What I am saying is that you might want to check your privilege there yt before you go lecturing about how Manchin is good, especially post Kacanaugh, Manchin is objectively not good- he is arguably necessary and support for him is potentially justifiable. But he is simply not good and you sound incredibly privileged/out of touch when you insist that he is.
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 This entire Administration is a revolving door of Reeks. Not one of these fuckers has an ounce of self respect, and jump at the chance to be Trump's beaten dog again.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it’s to differentiate it from things like massacres of black americans and native americans in the 1800s and such. 
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mango sentinel posted:I am finding it progressively more difficult to imagine a world where our politics are not permanently and increasingly hosed. Same. I increasingly see a Balkanized country where how poo poo your life is depends entirely on what state you are in and with the poo poo-states constantly trying to pull the lucky ones back down.
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mango sentinel posted:I am finding it progressively more difficult to imagine a world where our politics are not permanently and increasingly hosed. Someone could shut down Fox News and I think we'd all be surprised at how much that would accomplish.
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Kimsemus posted:There is a pretty large body of conservative lawyers/professors whom don't even consider court packing extreme -- rather a kind of logical thing since there is no real 9 justice rule anyway. Honestly court expansion should happen just so the "value" of justices goes down. Even if it's a "balanced" packing.
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