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Fried Watermelon posted:Sometimes I sit and wonder if people like you realize that there are more than two sides of an argument and that conservatives and liberals are not just opposites of each other like sports teams. I mean they sure seem to be trying to be opposite sides of each other because humans love and prefer binary choices, it's just they're on opposite sides of a narrow line floating in a much larger space.
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madmatt112 posted:I’ve been sitting here with a hot drink just watching the snow fall, having thoughts. yes Or more to the point; they don't think there is anything that can be done about suffering so they should protect themselves and their immediate family and gently caress everyone else. Also, conservatives really dislike change and fear new things. By definition. *shrug* Doesn't help that the media constantly pushes the narrative that outside of the USA live lesser people.
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Nov 8, 2018 19:08
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Outrail posted:Have you been paying attention to American politics? Coz it seems many Americans don't. most americans don't vote
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Nov 8, 2018 19:10
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Shame Boy posted:One of my coworkers is at least super honest in his opinions that everything, including life, is a privilege you earn. Just yesterday I was talking with some other coworkers about how Florida's mail-in ballot system used to silently drop your ballot if you made any sort of mistake and it couldn't be scanned, without telling you or giving you a chance to correct it. He jumped in out of nowhere with "if you can't follow simple instructions you don't deserve to vote!!" So I'm like "yeah but it's a machine, it's not perfect, what if it rejects it through no fault of your own, because you used the wrong pen or something?" and he goes into this story with a mocking tone that I think he meant to sound absurd about how well what if the machine reads ballots better if you use an expensive pen vs. a cheap pen and gosh this could discriminate against poor people and I'm just like "yes, yes it could, good point, that's why this is a problem." a former coworker told me that "slavery was a choice" because slaves could have just killed themselves. american conservativism is bafflingly hateful and selfish
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Fried Watermelon posted:Sometimes I sit and wonder if people like you realize that there are more than two sides of an argument and that conservatives and liberals are not just opposites of each other like sports teams. lol No that poster is right - conservatives lack empathy for people not in their immediate circle. quote:Conservatives, as the paper says, have a “belief that individuals are responsible for their outcomes and ultimately get what they deserve.” Like yeah there are more than two sides to many arguments but there are myriads of issues such as "hey we helped a coup in Honduras a few years ago and now there are refugees fleeing that place what should we do?" that conservatives look at and go "well, machine gun them at the border obviously what's the problem? gently caress you got mine." Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 19:14 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 19:11
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:a former coworker told me that "slavery was a choice" because slaves could have just killed themselves. american conservativism is bafflingly hateful and selfish Holy loving poo poo. 
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Nov 8, 2018 19:13
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People have to jump through insane mental hoops to justify all this poo poo around them as coming down to individuals failing themselves.
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Nov 8, 2018 19:14
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:a former coworker told me that "slavery was a choice" because slaves could have just killed themselves. american conservativism is bafflingly hateful and selfish oh yeah well if i was a slave i'd have totally just like killed my master
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Nov 8, 2018 19:16
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:a former coworker told me that "slavery was a choice" because slaves could have just killed themselves. american conservativism is bafflingly hateful and selfish the defenses of slavery before emancipation are pretty incredible “we’re like, doing them a favor, maaaaan”
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Nov 8, 2018 19:17
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Moridin920 posted:No that poster is right - conservatives lack empathy for people not in their immediate circle. It's really striking how sharp that line is too, because I have lovely evangelical glenn beck lovin' relatives who are totally cool with me and my (as far as they know, haven't told them the wife is trans yet because ugh) gay marriage, while simultaneously talking about the ~gay agenda~ forcing gay marriage abortions on everyone and how all gay people are pedos and poo poo like that. Like guys you even bought us a wedding present, what the hell
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Nov 8, 2018 19:27
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Shame Boy posted:It's really striking how sharp that line is too, because I have lovely evangelical glenn beck lovin' relatives who are totally cool with me and my personal (as far as they know) gay marriage, while simultaneously talking about the ~gay agenda~ forcing gay marriage abortions on everyone and how all gay people are pedos and poo poo like that. you're one of the good ones
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Nov 8, 2018 19:28
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EugeneJ posted:you're one of the good ones I mean yeah I can understand them thinking that and generally being nice to us but they're also against gay marriage as a whole, I'd think that would preclude them from taking part in mine or acknowledging it's happening at all. I'm just glad they moved the gently caress away so we don't have to deal with them at thanksgiving anymore.
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Nov 8, 2018 19:30
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Now thanksgiving is just my awesome parents and my kinda loopy but sweet 90 year old grandma who's totally cool with the gays and thinks we're a cute couple. She's actually the mother of the bigots who moved away (my dad's siblings), which makes it even more confusing cuz she's awesome 
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Nov 8, 2018 19:33
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the difference is education. 35% of voting americans never learned any critical thinking skills and are just cheerleading
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Nov 8, 2018 19:38
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boar guy posted:never learned any critical thinking skills and are just cheerleading also this, applies to Dems too
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Nov 8, 2018 19:42
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boar guy posted:the difference is education. 35% of voting americans never learned any critical thinking skills and are just cheerleading I took an intro to logic class and about half the class couldn't figure out, "Read the article. Draw a circle around the main point and draw squares around the supporting points." Mentally, they couldn't parse the content out like that. It was an excerpt that was picked was being exceptionally paint-by-numbers.
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Nov 8, 2018 19:44
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Moridin920 posted:also this, applies to Dems too GOP has historically wanted to keep people dumb so they could be manipulated and mobilized, and somewhere along the line Dems went "why can't we do that!" K-12 in America is a goddamn abortion and I almost wonder if Bernie enacted free college tuition if the same fate would befall American universities within a few decades
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Nov 8, 2018 19:49
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Accretionist posted:I took an intro to logic class and about half the class couldn't figure out, "Read the article. Draw a circle around the main point and draw squares around the supporting points." my kiddo was sick for a week last month, it was the week where they spent the entire week in class reading and parsing a text and arguing both sides of a point (something about hammurabi's slave code or something) she missed that whole week and tried to do the paper on her own and bombed it. spent some serious time catching her up- that week is probably all they'll get this year as far as critical thinking (6th grade)
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Nov 8, 2018 19:53
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EugeneJ posted:GOP has historically wanted to keep people dumb so they could be manipulated and mobilized, and somewhere along the line Dems went "why can't we do that!" bad news, that ship has already sailed
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Nov 8, 2018 19:53
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plutocrat school is good af tho... as of now
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Nov 8, 2018 19:54
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Shear Modulus posted:bad news, that ship has already sailed So let me try to map this out -K-12 education was made universal in the US -Graduation rates were high -Lots of kids went to college and learned liberal trains of thought -College became unaffordable as universities gouged prices on tuition -Dems made it so that EVERYONE CAN GET INTO COLLEGE by selling their souls into debt forever at Age 18 -K-12 was crippled by GOP and STATES RIGHTS so less kids got into college Society is now liberals with six-figure college debt pitted against conservatives living in poverty Both political parties are happy with everything since they control all capital and want nothing changed Is that about right?
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Nov 8, 2018 20:04
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Zombiepop posted:It's a tempting thought but I think most conservatives or whatever would argue they feel just as bad when people freeze to death, they just think their stupid ideas will solve it, not you know wealth re-distribution and other good stuff. Yeah I'm Canadian, Albertan. Sucks living in such a redneck place but goddamn is it beautiful here. Also I like to ski so that makes up for the long-rear end winters. Also mine and my wife's families are all here. Anyways... I guess if conservatives think that the individual is always more important than the collective I can see how their lovely ideas would appeal to other cons. Muh freedoms and whatnot. Also black and white thinking too I suppose. Ah well, these thoughts all eventually lead to Fully Automatic Gay Space Communism in the end.
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Nov 8, 2018 20:09
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Fried Watermelon posted:Sometimes I sit and wonder if people like you realize that there are more than two sides of an argument and that conservatives and liberals are not just opposites of each other like sports teams. Oh cool thanks for assuming that my description of two-ish types of people means I think everybody in the world falls exclusively onto a line drawn between those two types. Appreciate your willingness to give others the benefit of the doubt and not assume that because someone doesn't take time to bore others with a long-winded exhaustive cataloging of their entire worldview it means they're stupid. "People like you" - gently caress you and the superiority complex you rode in on.
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Nov 8, 2018 20:14
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EugeneJ posted:So let me try to map this out As a complete outsider who has been inside the US like twice in my life, I feel entirely authoritative in saying "Sadly, yes."
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Nov 8, 2018 20:19
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Shame Boy posted:You kid but they legitimately do sell bulletproof baby equipment on the site. It's all inserts within diaper bags though, I'm kinda disappointed they didn't make one of those baby harnesses bulletproof so you can pretend like your baby wouldn't just get liquified by the impact force anyway. This is getting rid of what is called Chevron Deference (after a case in federal court). Basically, if you have Chevron Deference, then the court has to defer to a federal (or state, in this case) agency's interpretation of an ambiguous or unclear statute, unless it is unreasonable. The original thing was the EPA, where the legislative branch would say something like "pollution is bad, EPA should do something about it" and the EPA would figure out what needed to be done. If you have Chevron Deference, then as long as it isn't unreasonable then the agency's decision stands. If you get rid of it, as amendment 6 does, then any rear end in a top hat judge can decide the law means whatever they want it to mean.
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madmatt112 posted:gently caress you and the superiority complex you rode in on. Oh boy I checked this person's post history. I get it now, let's move on from my one-man temper tantrum. Posts almost entirely about video games, dips toes in a Jordan Peterson thread for reasons other than making fun of JoPeSon fanboys, and pays money for NordVPN which I believe, IIRC, advertises heavily on brokebrain channels like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder (but I could be completely wrong on this point, I'm going by memory and we know how terrible that can be). In conclusion, We
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Nov 8, 2018 20:27
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wheres the pics
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paul_soccer10 posted:wheres the pics Here's a low-effort .jpg as my penance for loving around
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madmatt112 posted:As a complete outsider who has been inside the US like twice in my life, I feel entirely authoritative in saying "Sadly, yes." As an American, he’s got it right. no future generations will have any chance of success, and even millennials and gen z kids are already hosed anyway. I managed to avoid college debt by extreme luck, but even with no college debt my future is very uncertain. I don’t plan to stay in the USA for more than another 5-6 years before I go to either Canada or Scandinavia in hopes of having a less uncertain future.
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madmatt112 posted:Oh cool thanks for assuming that my description of two-ish types of people means I think everybody in the world falls exclusively onto a line drawn between those two types. I read your post wrong, I'm wrong. My apologies.
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The Skeleton King posted:As an American, he’s got it right. no future generations will have any chance of success, and even millennials and gen z kids are already hosed anyway. I managed to avoid college debt by extreme luck, but even with no college debt my future is very uncertain. lmao yeah man, good luck with that, hope things go your way in uh....denmark or whatever
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Piell posted:This is getting rid of what is called Chevron Deference (after a case in federal court). Basically, if you have Chevron Deference, then the court has to defer to a federal (or state, in this case) agency's interpretation of an ambiguous or unclear statute, unless it is unreasonable. The original thing was the EPA, where the legislative branch would say something like "pollution is bad, EPA should do something about it" and the EPA would figure out what needed to be done. If you have Chevron Deference, then as long as it isn't unreasonable then the agency's decision stands. If you get rid of it, as amendment 6 does, then any rear end in a top hat judge can decide the law means whatever they want it to mean. Oh that's even more fun, I was thinking it was so judges can ignore things like when Obama's state department was pushing crazy ideas like "transpeople have basic human rights"
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Frog Act posted:lmao yeah man, good luck with that, hope things go your way in uh....denmark or whatever My wife has dual citizenship with New Zealand so for me white flighting the entire country should be easy, I just gotta make sure I catch that falling knife before poo poo gets bad enough. I don't want to just leave right now because my parents live here and they're olds and I'd really hate to be on the other side of the planet when they finally croak  Also New Zealand's internet sucks 
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this isn't really the right place for this, but why on earth can such disparate things be amendments to bills? Shouldn't amendments be about the substantial legislation being passed? Not "Should we ban offshore drilling? And oh, that means we can also take you grannies' medication when she has her 70th birthday"
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starkebn posted:this isn't really the right place for this, but why on earth can such disparate things be amendments to bills? Shouldn't amendments be about the substantial legislation being passed? Not "Should we ban offshore drilling? And oh, that means we can also take you grannies' medication when she has her 70th birthday" because the gop dont care about 
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starkebn posted:this isn't really the right place for this, but why on earth can such disparate things be amendments to bills? Shouldn't amendments be about the substantial legislation being passed? Not "Should we ban offshore drilling? And oh, that means we can also take you grannies' medication when she has her 70th birthday" Yeah riders are dumb bullshit but lol they're not new nor illegal It's usually used to get what is (was?) referred to as "pork" spending, just like poo poo tacked on to make constituents happy. So like, on a major bill someone will tack on "also fund this poo poo for our district/state" and it's not worth holding up major legislation to get bogged down over. This is what I remember from high school civics though so ymmv. Mr Smith goes to Washington kills all hope imo Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 22:41 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah riders are dumb bullshit but lol they're not new nor illegal but they seems so transparently added to tank bills people don't like
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^^^ Yeah that's also a thing. The problem is whose gonna remove it or regulate it? All the people up there benefit from using such tactics, unfortunately. Also if you watch that movie (Mr Smith goes to Washington) remember that the real ending is they removed filibusters E: even if a proposed rider is removed someone can go back to constituents and at least say "see I tried to get us X but those assholes in DC stopped us." Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 22:46 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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boar guy posted:the difference is education. 35% of voting americans never learned any critical thinking skills and are just cheerleading Bare minimum of 35% don't. From anecdotal experience, I wouldn't be shocked if it was much higher than that.
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Fried Watermelon posted:I read your post wrong, I'm wrong. My apologies. I then continued on to attack you personally, taking some pretty gigantic liberties with reality. I lost the battle with my lesser self. For that, I am sorry as well. Let's carry on in peace.
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