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LMFAO the Florida ballot resolution owns. They banned vaping indoors and also offshore drilling in one measure lol
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like the republican platform is monstrous evil on racism, sexism, homophobia, etc but like, even britebart or something would be seen as being pretty progressive if you time traveled it back a pretty small number of generations. Eh, I kinda disagree here. Your point is arguable but even in the late 70's / early 1980's marijuana legalization and gay rights were popular positions, they just were not politically acceptable positions -- much like single payer health care today, they were broadly popular but no one in political power was willing to advocate for them. In contrast, though, outright racism was the reverse; systemic racism had strong support from political elites, but *nobody* was outspokenly, brazenly nazi racist in the way many are today. There's a reason Nazis are the villains in Blues Brothers -- they were ridiculous. The open acceptance of outright white nationalism by large swathes of the right is a dramatic backslide towards reactionary right-wing authoritarianism that would not have been even remotely acceptable in any public forum at any time from the 40's to . . poo poo, just like five or ten years ago.
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kidkissinger posted:This is complete bullshit. Demand evidence. Wait wait, is literally the only evidence of the claim "Brenda Snipes withholding information" is via Rick Scott's lawsuit? Is there any legal reason why a conservative lawyer might assume the claim is true from the lawsuit being filed?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:His best role may be texas dem party chair or DNC chair. Jesus, please don't take him away we need him
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1337JiveTurkey posted:This is the first Friday after the elections and with the new acting attorney general. A big indictment today would make killing the investigation in the short term downright radioactive, especially if it requires the acting AG to straight up say "No, we're not going to prosecute Donald Trump Jr. for reasons we're not going to disclose." DOes the new acting AG have to approve any new indictments?
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Beto sucks and is a centrist dem , he only didn’t suck in comparison to TED CRUZ. Did this election not show you that you can’t win on being the slightly less heinous republican ? People want leftism .
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Raenir Salazar posted:Wait wait, is literally the only evidence of the claim "Brenda Snipes withholding information" is via Rick Scott's lawsuit? they actually did gently caress with the primary vote
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corn in the bible posted:Jesus, please don't take him away we need him His planet needs him
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Peter Daou Bundy posted:Beto sucks and is a centrist dem , he only didn’t suck in comparison to TED CRUZ. Did this election not show you that you can’t win on being the slightly less heinous republican ? People want leftism . Bring back the Trump thread. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Koalas Massacre posted:I think it's a big (and dangerous) mistake to lean too much on the "young people are more progressive" trope. Especially when it seems to be more like "they support progress for white people" Yeah, this has been some "conventional wisdom" that has gone around a lot but I don't think it's bearing out at all. Young people are moving to cities in high numbers, and that does tend to lead to a group becoming more progressive, but in a lot of cities (like my own, Madison), it's a version of pseudo-progressivism that mixes together a generous helping of "support causes that mostly benefit white people" with a dash of "NIMBY." But young people who don't move to cities are staying as conservative as their parents, and that means they have a lot of guns, love it when black people get shot, and keep wielding a disproportionate amount of electoral power.
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Peter Daou Bundy posted:Beto sucks and is a centrist dem , he only didn’t suck in comparison to TED CRUZ. Did this election not show you that you can’t win on being the slightly less heinous republican ? People want leftism . Beto is a progressive; he supports M4All, explicitly. That said yes that's why he did so well in texas, because he was explicitly progressive.
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Peter Daou Bundy posted:Beto sucks and is a centrist dem , he only didn’t suck in comparison to TED CRUZ. Did this election not show you that you can’t win on being the slightly less heinous republican ? People want leftism . I'm sorry that Beto O'Rourke failed to win the extremely vulnerable Republican Senate seat of Texas
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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1060903143184257024 This press conference sounds loving great. Your Boy Fancy posted:Bring back the Trump thread. Yes.
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Your Parents posted:LMFAO the Florida ballot resolution owns. They banned vaping indoors and also offshore drilling in one measure lol Wait how the gently caress did those end up as part of the same amendment? That's loving hilarious Also I'm glad it passed
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Nov 9, 2018 15:37
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corn in the bible posted:they actually did gently caress with the primary vote Yes that's not in contention, the conservative I'm talking with just claimed and presented as true the claim that Brenda Snipes (iirc the Broward County election official?) is withholding information regarding how many ballots remain to be counted. However after the initial response to my post here I went and googled it and so far the only evidence that exists of this is Rick Scott. Is Rick Scott the sole source of this claim or is there anything else?
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axeil posted:As the Pod Save America guys pointed out Beto, Abrams and Gillum all did way better running leftist campaigns than Heitkamp, Donnelly and McCaskill did running mushy centrist campaigns.  Is it just a 'thing' now to compare senate races to governor races across vastly different states? I mean, by what possible metric could you meaningfully compare Heitkamp's performance in North Dakota to Gillum's performance in Florida? If anything, that comparison makes the 'leftist' Gillum (what?) look worse than the 'centrist' Heitkamp (what??) - at least Heitkamp has an excuse for why a Democratic senator couldn't compete in a deep red state like North Dakota, but a supposedly strong candidate like Gillum shouldn't struggle so hard in the eternally purple state of Florida.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Beto is a progressive; he supports M4All, explicitly. He also did well because the Tea Party is slowly losing popularity in Texas even among Republican voters. Tea Party candidates generally did, like, 5-10 points worse than establishment GOP ones
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Doctor Spaceman posted:https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1060903143184257024 I’m going to assume the Trump can’t help but lie about everything rule applies here.
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Quorum posted:I think I agree and that's why these discussions are ultimately so circuitous and recurrent, especially in a roughly two-month period where no new data is coming in about how one should interpret a statement of Pelosi's, so every new statement of Pelosi's just gets interpreted according to our baseline beliefs and then we yell at each other when the output differs. Can't disagree. I think for people anywhere to the left of Democratic Centrists though, you're kind of anticipating that they will suck and it's just a question of degrees. In my mind the best case is that they'll eat up 2 years with useless dithering on Russiagate and Trump's tax returns to finally prove that Trump did crimes and isn't a real rich person which will ultimately have all the impact of a fart in a hurricane. In a less ideal scenario, I could see the Democrats "reaching across the aisle to achieve bipartisan consensus solutions" and gut Medicare, Social Security, and other programs to offset the whole blown in the budget by Trump's tax cuts in an effort to prove themselves the real smart, reasonable, financial conservatives.
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corn in the bible posted:He also did well because the Tea Party is slowly losing popularity in Texas even among Republican voters. Tea Party candidates generally did, like, 5-10 points worse than establishment GOP ones actual real progressive policy can drive out fascist bullshit because it's a real answer to people's problems and fascism is a fake answer. Of course people don't always listen but 
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corn in the bible posted:He also did well because the Tea Party is slowly losing popularity in Texas even among Republican voters. Tea Party candidates generally did, like, 5-10 points worse than establishment GOP ones By the way, do you think Beto would have won if Texas didn't have straight ticket automatic voting and voters would have to go out of their way to mark Ted Cruz?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Eh, I kinda disagree here. Your point is arguable but even in the late 70's / early 1980's marijuana legalization and gay rights were popular positions, they just were not politically acceptable positions -- much like single payer health care today, they were broadly popular but no one in political power was willing to advocate for them. Uh... I think you might be misremembering here. In the early 80's, the response to the question: quote:Do you think gay or lesbian relations between consenting adults should or should not be legal? was 35% Yes and 57% No. Make sure to read that again. That is not gay marriage. That is "should it be illegal to be in a consenting gay relationship?" and nearly 6 in 10 Americans said it should be a crime. 79% of people said pot should be illegal in 1982.
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Tibalt posted:
Governor races are almost always Hideously Local, to such an extant that I don't feel like you can draw meaningful conclusions from comparing Gillum to Abram.
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corn in the bible posted:I'm sorry that Beto O'Rourke failed to win the extremely vulnerable Republican Senate seat of Texas What are the best parts of Beto O'Rourke's political platform? What are the policies that have led people to vote for him, as opposed to voting against Ted Cruz?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Uh... I think you might be misremembering here. Your numbers seem reasonable, but you can't just give numbers with no source
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corn in the bible posted:I'm sorry that Beto O'Rourke failed to win the extremely vulnerable Republican Senate seat of Texas This is liberalism right here, to dismissively write off an entire state as somehow too underdeveloped and/or dumb to vote for anything other than a Republican, myopically ignoring a history of racism, disenfranchisement, and abandonment by the Democratic Party.
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twice burned ice posted:Your numbers seem reasonable, but you can't just give numbers with no source Gallup with historical gay rights questions: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx Pew with pot question: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/08/americans-support-marijuana-legalization/
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I wonder if the spineless democrats, known for their ability to be very tough on Trump, will do anything about this. I'm sure Nancy and Chuck are working on it right now.
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Ague Proof posted:By the way, do you think Beto would have won if Texas didn't have straight ticket automatic voting and voters would have to go out of their way to mark Ted Cruz? I don't know. I guess we'll find out in 2020 how straight ticket voting affects things
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Trump just appoints people he doesnt know so that its not a lie when he says "barely knew him" when they get indicted.
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Peter Daou Bundy posted:I wonder if the spineless democrats, known for their ability to be very tough on Trump, will do anything about this. I'm sure Nancy and Chuck are working on it right now.
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Kobayashi posted:This is liberalism right here, to dismissively write off an entire state as somehow too underdeveloped and/or dumb to vote for anything other than a Republican, myopically ignoring a history of racism, disenfranchisement, and abandonment by the Democratic Party. I'm not dismissing the loving state. I live there! What I mean is that he did literally 15 points better than the last (much more centrist) Democratic senate candidate. Maybe someone more left or right would have done better, I don't know, maybe a full on DSA candidate would have won (was there one? I don't remember), but it's pretty silly to look at that and all the success in down-ballot races and say, well, he hosed up, what an rear end in a top hat. Texas demonstrably has a lot of Republicans and also has a lot of disenfranchisement and low voter registration among many groups and he still managed to do that!
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1060908243705384961 Kellyanne is in the corner singing into a cucumber. Someone's going to retire earlier than she thought.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what? seriously, what the hell. is he that loving dumb. Yes. There answer to "Is Trump really that dumb?" is ALWAYS yes.
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