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Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

TulliusCicero posted:

Noted savior of easily prevented disease, Jill Stein

(by proxy via green morons)

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Mineaiki
Nov 20, 2013

Dems just need to start firing off bills that do Good Things and sending them to the senate and not stop until we have a democratic president again. They will all be crushed but it’s good to build a record of their crimes in the meantime. Just like making them vote for a rapist, make them vote down making veterans’ lives better, etc.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


the russian flag is red white and blue you could do a lot with that but people just go for an outdated and incorrect hammer and sickle.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Here's a list put out by House Democrats and Pelosi about what the first new House priorities will be in January.

These are all objectively good, but I can't wait to be told why they're ACTUALLY objectively bad and I'm stupid for thinking otherwise.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

jill stein is more left than the centrist decorum dem's, leftist "savior" is a bit far fetched, she's hardly AOC, but i'd rather have Jill stein than any Bad Dem. calling her a russian shill is peak facebook liberalism tho.

On the other hand, she humors anti-vaxxers.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
Do the greens know they're controlled opposition and they're enjoying the grift, or are they legit accelerrationists who think they'll somehow come out on top in a full fascist takeover?

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Mineaiki posted:

Dems just need to start firing off bills that do Good Things and sending them to the senate and not stop until we have a democratic president again. They will all be crushed but it’s good to build a record of their crimes in the meantime. Just like making them vote for a rapist, make them vote down making veterans’ lives better, etc.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Here's a list put out by House Democrats and Pelosi about what the first new House priorities will be in January.
Mineaiki is Speaker Pelosi, confirmed.

edit: although, just a note, the Senate won't actually vote on these bills. Part of the Senate Majority Leader's incredible power comes from setting the calendar - even if a committee passes a super popular bill, McConnell can just... not take it up, and it eventually dies.

twice burned ice
Dec 29, 2008

My stove defies the laws of physics!

Two years in and I still can't believe this deranged orange sack of poo poo is the president.

Mineaiki
Nov 20, 2013

I mean why not?

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Crow Jane posted:

On the other hand, she humors anti-vaxxers.

yeah, she does, but she'd end up killing less americans and people abroad because she's not obsessed with war and bombing the middle east. take the good with the bad.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

jill stein is more left than the centrist decorum dem's, leftist "savior" is a bit far fetched, she's hardly AOC, but i'd rather have Jill stein than any Bad Dem. calling her a russian shill is peak facebook liberalism tho.

She lost my respect when she started catering to the more openly insane conspiracy theories at the fringe of her party, instead of being a good force of reason in the Gubernatorial debates in MA. It has nothing to do with Russia, she's just a bad candidate.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

I'm drawing a line here:
Anti science has no place in the future of the new more left Dem party.

Fight me over it binch.

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

https://twitter.com/disco_socialist/status/1060920183689117697?s=21

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Deified Data posted:

Do the greens know they're controlled opposition and they're enjoying the grift, or are they legit accelerrationists who think they'll somehow come out on top in a full fascist takeover?

Let's be clear that I'm talking about supporters of the America's Green Party specifically, not supporters of environmentalist parties in general around the world. With that out of the way:

They're loving morons.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Deified Data posted:

Do the greens know they're controlled opposition and they're enjoying the grift, or are they legit accelerrationists who think they'll somehow come out on top in a full fascist takeover?

I voted for the Green guy in the last mayoral election here. He wasn't the anti-vax kind, was progressive and charismatic as hell, and I think he would've done a lot of good for the city. He ended up getting like 16% of the vote, which isn't much, but was a lot more than the Republican candidate got.

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Bicyclops posted:

She lost my respect when she started catering to the more openly insane conspiracy theories at the fringe of her party, instead of being a good force of reason in the Gubernatorial debates in MA. It has nothing to do with Russia, she's just a bad candidate.

i'd take jill stein over any centrist dem, but i'd take an actual progressive over jill stein.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Deified Data posted:

Do the greens know they're controlled opposition and they're enjoying the grift, or are they legit accelerrationists who think they'll somehow come out on top in a full fascist takeover?

Dr. Stein definitely knows she's controlled opposition and is enjoying the grift and it's precisely my problem with her. She's taken the Green Party in a bad direction nationally, and I feel like DSA Dems are a better solution all-around.

EugeneDebsWasCool
Nov 10, 2017
Buglord

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

jill stein is more left than the centrist decorum dem's, leftist "savior" is a bit far fetched, she's hardly AOC, but i'd rather have Jill stein than any Bad Dem. calling her a russian shill is peak facebook liberalism tho.



Seen here with other noted leftists Mike Flynn and Vladmir Putin

Bicyclops posted:

Dr. Stein definitely knows she's controlled opposition and is enjoying the grift and it's precisely my problem with her. She's taken the Green Party in a bad direction nationally, and I feel like DSA Dems are a better solution all-around.

This. She's in it for the grift and to spread anti-vac nonsense. I'll take the DSA any day over the Greens.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

yeah, she does, but she'd end up killing less americans and people abroad because she's not obsessed with war and bombing the middle east. take the good with the bad.

Stein in office would do as much harm as the chuds, but in different ways. People who don't base policy on factual reality are dangerous and should not be supported.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

ummel posted:

What the gently caress is her problem? She's not even from this state. Does she caucus with the GO now?

She's a Putin puppet and is doing her job.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Idiots join the Green party. Smarks join the DSA.

Real progressives join the People's Liberation Army of Braddock Pennsylvania

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
The Mueller investigation is loving brain cancer to rich liberals. The fact that that's what gets them out of the house is so damning.

theblackw0lf
Apr 15, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"
Replies to a couple of topics from last night

1. Pelosi should still be in charge of wrangling votes and keeping party in line, but we need another person as face of the party. So Pelosi as majority leader and Barbara Lee as Speaker.

2. There’s a strong chance AOC will be president some day, and her 2020 DNC keynote address, like Obama, will be a springboard to it.

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Bicyclops posted:

It's a shame the word "shill" has essentially become a gendered insult, because Jill rhymes with shill, and Dr. Stein is 100 percent a sell-out to the conspiracy elements of her party. Her earlier career is indicative that she's smart enough to know better, which means, ironically, that she's just the kind of politician people who are voting for her hate the most: a cynical opportunist.

Are you confusing "shill" with "shrill"? Because calling someone a "shill" isn't gendered at all to my knowledge.

ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe

Tibalt posted:

First of all, lol

Second of all, North Dakota is redder than Florida regardless

Third of all, looool

Republicans have had a trifecta in this state since 1999, except for two years 2010 & 2011.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

I voted for one Green-Rainbow candidate here in MA because I did an interview for a job at the State Treasurer's Office, and she was such an awful, terrible human being that I can never, in good conscience, vote for her. I tend to do write-ins over Green anymore, they just don't have good candidates in MA like they used to.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

yeah, she does, but she'd end up killing less americans and people abroad because she's not obsessed with war and bombing the middle east. take the good with the bad.

Jill Stein is a hack and an anti-vaxx nutjob. Good job buying her schtick though--the Republican Party thanks you.

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

EugeneDebsWasCool posted:



Seen here with other noted leftists Mike Flynn and Vladmir Putin


This. She's in it for the grift and to spread anti-vac nonsense. I'll take the DSA any day over the Greens.

oh poo poo, ya got her, she took a pic at a dinner. DSA>Greens, but greens>centrist dems.


Deteriorata posted:

Stein in office would do as much harm as the chuds, but in different ways. People who don't base policy on factual reality are dangerous and should not be supported.

this is the same argument people used against AOC "but but what about reality!"

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer
Greens are not leftists, please stop, Daou.

fishing with the fam
Feb 29, 2008

Durr

Bicyclops posted:

It's a shame the word "shill" has essentially become a gendered insult, because Jill rhymes with shill, and Dr. Stein is 100 percent a sell-out to the conspiracy elements of her party. Her earlier career is indicative that she's smart enough to know better, which means, ironically, that she's just the kind of politician people who are voting for her hate the most: a cynical opportunist.

Wait, what? When did shill become a gendered insult?

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Peter Daou Bundy posted:

Uh oh! An actual leftist candidate speaks up, and you have to go for the russian shill angle.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

TheScott2K posted:

The Mueller investigation is loving brain cancer to rich liberals. The fact that that's what gets them out of the house is so damning.

On the other hand, anything that makes any demographic hate Trump is good, no matter how low a priority it should actually be in the bigger picture of fascist horror to be be mad at.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Bicyclops posted:

It's a shame the word "shill" has essentially become a gendered insult, because Jill rhymes with shill, and Dr. Stein is 100 percent a sell-out to the conspiracy elements of her party. Her earlier career is indicative that she's smart enough to know better, which means, ironically, that she's just the kind of politician people who are voting for her hate the most: a cynical opportunist.

Shill is absolutely not a gendered insult, what are you talking about

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Groovelord Neato posted:

the russian flag is red white and blue you could do a lot with that but people just go for an outdated and incorrect hammer and sickle.

It's probably because Putin is a former head of the KGB that people keep throwing back to the USSR when referencing him.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

yeah, she does, but she'd end up killing less americans and people abroad because she's not obsessed with war and bombing the middle east. take the good with the bad.

She's literally a Putin puppet. https://thinkprogress.org/jill-stein-campaign-russia-ecf424ac3b7e/

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

TheScott2K posted:

The Mueller investigation is loving brain cancer to rich liberals. The fact that that's what gets them out of the house is so damning.

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1060382896341635073

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

ummel posted:

Republicans have had a trifecta in this state since 1999, except for two years 2010 & 2011.
I'd argue that there's a fundamental disconnect between pointing to state government trifectas as a qualifier for Red/Purple/Blue state status.

For example, MA and VA.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Can't wait for Jill Stein to roll into 2020, declare her candidacy for president again, then do everything she can to signal-boost conspiracy theories about whoever the Democrats nominate while barely ever campaigning against the Republicans.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

jill stein is more left than the centrist decorum dem's, leftist "savior" is a bit far fetched, she's hardly AOC, but i'd rather have Jill stein than any Bad Dem. calling her a russian shill is peak facebook liberalism tho.
Didn't she scam a bunch of "recount" funding?

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TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

sean10mm posted:

On the other hand, anything that makes any demographic hate Trump is good, no matter how low a priority it should actually be in the bigger picture of fascist horror to be be mad at.

Thethe people who just want Trump to go away so things can go "back to normal" do nobody any good.

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