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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
TIME FOR A STRUGGLE SESH

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i might come out on the bad end of it but that's just how a struggle sesh works

you never know. the tables could turn

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

what actually defines 'hoxhaism' as opposed to like any other school of thought other than bunker memes

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

StashAugustine posted:

what actually defines 'hoxhaism' as opposed to like any other school of thought other than bunker memes
it's basically shorthand for "anti-revisionist marxism-leninism" which was critical of -- one could say vehemently opposed to -- reformist trends in the soviet union after stalin and later china after mao (although hoxha was also critical of mao, but less so than he was of khrushchev). basically hoxha saw khrushchev as reintroducing the commodity form of production, which is revisionism and would eventually lead to full capitalist restoration. hoxha also accused the "khruschevites" of treating albania as a market commodity "which can be gained by one or lost by another." it's hard to read hoxha though because he was a crazy fanatic but he seemed right about that.

right?

well i dunno. the other thing is that regardless, albania is a small country and so it sticking to stalin-style marxism-leninism would eventually lead it to becoming north korea. the bunkers are a symbol of the pigheadedness or just gosh-darn gumption of hoxhaism but the idea was to deter invasion which is not so different from north korea's nuclear weapons program.

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

actually all getfiscal quotes i post from now on will be filtered through iggy azalea memes











this is some Good rear end Posting

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
there is also a small hoxhaist "party" in the U.S., the APL, which seems a bit too tankie for me because ahh...

https://twitter.com/APLRedPhoenix/status/1057476428114153472
^ that's their party newspaper

THS
Sep 15, 2017

those guys gently caress

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
your guys gently caress

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it's basically shorthand for "anti-revisionist marxism-leninism" which was critical of -- one could say vehemently opposed to -- reformist trends in the soviet union after stalin and later china after mao (although hoxha was also critical of mao, but less so than he was of khrushchev). basically hoxha saw khrushchev as reintroducing the commodity form of production, which is revisionism and would eventually lead to full capitalist restoration. hoxha also accused the "khruschevites" of treating albania as a market commodity "which can be gained by one or lost by another." it's hard to read hoxha though because he was a crazy fanatic but he seemed right about that.

he's not wrong about the other parts, but there were also absolutely material reasons for the reform-ism after 'communism in one country' was rallied behind

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Communism-in-one-country should be relegated to the dustbin of history. Brace Belden livetweeting being a troop in Syria is 21st century radical praxis. We need a new synthesis of thought that reconciles the failures of ML and MLM and describes the challenges of organizing against capital in the digital age. The internet and mass communications are an insanely powerful weapon and so far it's being wielded expertly by the ruling class and we're all entangled in an anxious web of faux social communities that only have the thinnest veneer of solidarity while maladaptive behaviors run rampant.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

there is also a small hoxhaist "party" in the U.S., the APL, which seems a bit too tankie for me because ahh...

https://twitter.com/APLRedPhoenix/status/1057476428114153472
^ that's their party newspaper

Got a cool flag though!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

ShriekingMarxist posted:

Communism-in-one-country should be relegated to the dustbin of history. Brace Belden livetweeting being a troop in Syria is 21st century radical praxis. We need a new synthesis of thought that reconciles the failures of ML and MLM and describes the challenges of organizing against capital in the digital age. The internet and mass communications are an insanely powerful weapon and so far it's being wielded expertly by the ruling class and we're all entangled in an anxious web of faux social communities that only have the thinnest veneer of solidarity while maladaptive behaviors run rampant.

What's your plan to take over the internet then, bud?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Dreddout posted:

Got a cool flag though!
they also have t-shirts and coffee mugs

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
There's no taking it over obviously, but there needs to be a lot of education about the ways in which mass social media is being used to demoralize, program, filter, skew the truth, and give an amplified voice to people with questionable beliefs and politics. It's poo poo we ingest constantly on a daily basis and 90+% of people think they have a good handle on seeing objectively true things or genuine people or that they're having real social experiences when the truth is a lot of it is like commodified junk food human interaction that's subtly poisoning your brain.

EDIT:
Basically, expanding on hypernormalization as a phenomenon and a fact of our daily life and hammering down the ways in which it's negatively impacting people and acting as a sink for revolutionary agitation.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ShriekingMarxist posted:

Communism-in-one-country should be relegated to the dustbin of history. Brace Belden livetweeting being a troop in Syria is 21st century radical praxis. We need a new synthesis of thought that reconciles the failures of ML and MLM and describes the challenges of organizing against capital in the digital age. The internet and mass communications are an insanely powerful weapon and so far it's being wielded expertly by the ruling class and we're all entangled in an anxious web of faux social communities that only have the thinnest veneer of solidarity while maladaptive behaviors run rampant.

source your quotes

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

ShriekingMarxist posted:

There's no taking it over obviously, but there needs to be a lot of education about the ways in which mass social media is being used to demoralize, program, filter, skew the truth, and give an amplified voice to people with questionable beliefs and politics. It's poo poo we ingest constantly on a daily basis and 90+% of people think they have a good handle on seeing objectively true things or genuine people or that they're having real social experiences when the truth is a lot of it is like commodified junk food human interaction that's subtly poisoning your brain.

physician, heal thyself

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Prav posted:

physician, heal thyself

man i live it too, why the hell you think i got thoughts about it!?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I don't mean to sound so dismissive, but the reason capitalists are able to wield the internet in their favor is because they have all the money in the world to direct its information flows and conjure up conflicting narratives to stall any kind of dialectical development towards some kind of global weltanschauung. To take over the internet you need capital, and to acquire capital you have to make ideological compromises to meet the challenges of the bourgeois. This is why Marxist-Leninist and Maoist states underwent revisionism. Even with one party rule it wasn't enough to overcome capitalist opposition through sheer collective will, because the material conditions assert themselves over ideology.

To take power we have to be willing to do things that we don't like or which are distasteful, and constantly deferring to our own personal sense of judgement and morality over the immediate political necessity is what keeps "solidarity" sentimental. It's not as simple as "relegating socialism in one country to the dustbin of history," because SIOC was thrust upon the Soviet Union by the tide of history. All this points to over and over again is the necessity of revolution in the very heart of global imperialism.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

if mass and 'social' media causes brain rot, step one is to stop using it.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
It's more than just social/mass media, it's the growing dominance of an anti-materialist culture that ingests so much surface content that's there's literally no time to examine the circumstances behind a lot of important events. People are just constantly looking for something that lights up the neurons, whether good or bad, a dunk or a hot take, or a call out of someone who is bad, or w/e, this spills over into the way people organize politically, and the way they approach changing the political landscape. Look at the rallying cry for M4A. Even under the best circumstances, M4A is a decade+ away after a lot of political rehabilitation of voting rights, congressional districts, and an incredibly challenging fight against a 100 billion dollar industry. You can't meme magic it into reality. I dunno, I'm crabby tonight, and a comrade organizing with a chapter I know a lot of people in is having a breakdown over petty backbiting bullshit that's proliferating through everyone's private slacks and discords and poo poo. I wanna print out 50 copies of combat liberalism and wheat glue them to a bunch of people's doors.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

what's stopping you?

but also you do sound like you need a social media break.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
mao's essay on liberalism is if anything more relevant today than before

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

quote:

The naked truth of decolonization evokes for us the searing bullets and bloodstained knives which emanate from it. For if the last shall be first, this will only come to pass after a murderous and decisive struggle between the two protagonists. That affirmed intention to place the last at the head of things, and to make them climb at a pace (too quickly, some say) the well-known steps which characterize an organized society, can only triumph if we use all means to turn the scale, including, of course, that of violence.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1060744737781620736

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

is the dustbin of history a different container than the trashcan of ideology

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Anime is so cool

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

ShriekingMarxist posted:

It's more than just social/mass media, it's the growing dominance of an anti-materialist culture that ingests so much surface content that's there's literally no time to examine the circumstances behind a lot of important events. People are just constantly looking for something that lights up the neurons, whether good or bad, a dunk or a hot take, or a call out of someone who is bad, or w/e, this spills over into the way people organize politically, and the way they approach changing the political landscape. Look at the rallying cry for M4A. Even under the best circumstances, M4A is a decade+ away after a lot of political rehabilitation of voting rights, congressional districts, and an incredibly challenging fight against a 100 billion dollar industry. You can't meme magic it into reality. I dunno, I'm crabby tonight, and a comrade organizing with a chapter I know a lot of people in is having a breakdown over petty backbiting bullshit that's proliferating through everyone's private slacks and discords and poo poo. I wanna print out 50 copies of combat liberalism and wheat glue them to a bunch of people's doors.

i try to talk to people and meet them where they are. i find telling them to read a book that has the inherit message that if you don't end up agreeing with me, i will kill you, can be a little off putting.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


To a revolutionary, few skills are more important than being able to effectively manage your own frustration. This is probably true of most things you could do with your life, though.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
https://twitter.com/Good_Guy69/status/1060761739900411905

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011


Frantz Fanon was absolutely right

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fanon rules and is better at dispelling liberalism than Mao imo.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

ShriekingMarxist posted:

It's more than just social/mass media, it's the growing dominance of an anti-materialist culture that ingests so much surface content that's there's literally no time to examine the circumstances behind a lot of important events. People are just constantly looking for something that lights up the neurons, whether good or bad, a dunk or a hot take, or a call out of someone who is bad, or w/e, this spills over into the way people organize politically, and the way they approach changing the political landscape. Look at the rallying cry for M4A. Even under the best circumstances, M4A is a decade+ away after a lot of political rehabilitation of voting rights, congressional districts, and an incredibly challenging fight against a 100 billion dollar industry. You can't meme magic it into reality. I dunno, I'm crabby tonight, and a comrade organizing with a chapter I know a lot of people in is having a breakdown over petty backbiting bullshit that's proliferating through everyone's private slacks and discords and poo poo. I wanna print out 50 copies of combat liberalism and wheat glue them to a bunch of people's doors.

remember- the internet and social media don't exist in real life

unplug for a week and it'll give you some real perspective

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
Are there any good terms for "bootlickers who are rejected by the power(s) they're sucking up to"?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1061091549726076930

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MizPiz posted:

Are there any good terms for "bootlickers who are rejected by the power(s) they're sucking up to"?

liberal, or its synonym social democrat

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

MizPiz posted:

Are there any good terms for "bootlickers who are rejected by the power(s) they're sucking up to"?

cucks

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
:hai:

https://twitter.com/THR/status/1061136433543593984

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

MizPiz posted:

Are there any good terms for "bootlickers who are rejected by the power(s) they're sucking up to"?

libertarian

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPWDdGUfJ7M



song is pretty garbo but took me a minute to track down what it was in this doc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fwQv5h7Lq8&t=168s

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Nov 11, 2018

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

quote:

I used to work with a older guy from East Germany in the middle east (I am an egineer). He always complained on how bad it was in East germany and how better was in capitalism, and how lucky I was that I was born in capitalism, that I could have ice cream every day , blue jeans i donno what... One day he got fired because we did not win a big project. He was very sorry and angry. I told him "enjoy capitalism".... and told him hat it is better they fire him than me because I still need to pay back my student loan.

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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Ice cold.

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