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Main Paineframe posted:You're reading poo poo into it that I didn't say. Yes, Susan B. Anthony was an abolitionist who supported equal rights for African-Americans. She was also a suffragist who opposed the first Constitutional Amendment to ever explicitly reserve voting rights only for "men", a word which previously did not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Turns out history is more complicated than a game of Civilization! Mostly I saw a bunch of blog posts/facebook/twitter stuff being really mad at flaming racist trash woman susan b anthony after that thing this week where woman put their "I voted" stickers on her grave, and it seems like it came out of absolute no where and is so ahistorical for like, the least racist woman from 1820 imaginable. And I'm wondering where "susan b anthony: well known super racist" is coming from as a meme since I don't feel like I ever saw it before this year. cat tax: 
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Hahahahahaha they do realize how many of them would fail a basic civics test right No, they're talking about a "civics" test because that'll go over better than the "literacy" tests they want to implement.
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peep the clips in the replies. https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1060925298781446149
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Lock up who you complete dipshits? I love how Hillary lives rent free in all chud brains.
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I "love" how most of the "leftists" in the Dems are bad Brigade rely largely on repeating and reinforcing Right Wing Framing. Here's a hint, there is a reason why the Right absolutely hates and uses Nancy Pelosi as their political chew toy of choice and it's not because she's too centrist. It's because she's effective and the last loving thing the left needs to be doing at this point is jettisoning effective leaders because the Republicans say poo poo. We're currently fighting a war for the survival of the Human species. It's well loving past time for people to drop petty differences and focus on the common foe, that foe is the regressive forces of ignorance that characterizes the political right. Know your loving enemy and stop engaging in friendly fire. We're running out of time and all of the time and energy that's devoted to the circular firing squad is energy and time that could be focused on that actual enemy. We're what maybe 10 years from experiencing food shortages as a result of climate change? 20 from mass famine and migrations world wide. Hell if anything Climate Change advocates and scientists are not being alarmist enough regarding how bad things are going to be. This crisis would be bad enough if it just came down to arguing over the best way to address and mitigate the issue, yet we're still stuck fighting against people who not only don't accept it as a threat but are actively encouraging more of the activities that created and intensify the problem to begin with for no obvious reason than to upset those of us who do believe in it. I'm sorry this is more important than whatever you think is the most important issue facing us politically because if we don't address this particular problem there won't be anyone around to even experience those other issues. At this point you are either a part of the solution or you are part of the problem. If your answer to Trump and the GOP is to blame the Democrats and sit on your rear end or actively undermine Democrats then you are a part of the loving problem and are just as bad as the Republicans. Whether the Democrats are good is irrelevant. because as imperfect as they may be they are currently the most effective weapon that we in the United States have that can be used to thwart the suicide pact that the Republican Party is.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Hahahahahaha they do realize how many of them would fail a basic civics test right Yeah but their grandpa had the right to vote so they are in
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eke out posted:i think that's florida i am assuming from your post that i should have looked up where Pima county is, and that it's in Arizona not Florida?
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KickerOfMice posted:Well, nobody mentioned the "corrections" industry! Sorry if I misunderstood, hazard of jumping in on fast-moving conversations, I saw your question about whether the FBI and DOJ were indelibly corrupted, and figured I’d point out that yes, some people do believe they’re fundamentally corrupt institutions that should not be relied on.
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Deified Data posted:If it's this cut and dry how do democrats ever win anything in red states? Surely they'd all be overturning elections if they could? If officials flaunt democracy too openly, the people might just lose faith in the legitimacy of the government. When all the voters think you're a corrupt shithead who stole the government, things can get pretty messy pretty fast. One prominent example is a Tennessee political machine which was so openly corrupt that their vote-rigging attempt was disrupted by an actual armed uprising by the angry voters, who stormed the police station, blasted their way in with dynamite, and took back the ballot boxes by force for a public ballot counting.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Hahahahahaha they do realize how many of them would fail a basic civics test right I jokingly thought to myself “Watch them call for the property requirement to be reinstated” and boom, here the chuds are. drat near 3/4 of the bastards would fail their self-imposed voting restrictions unless they put a “Whitey Clause” in effect. Also I hope that guy realizes that he’s named himself after an abusive rapist who is brutally killed by having his trachea ripped out through his mouth by a woman sacrificing herself and position to protect other women.
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Thaddius the Large posted:Sorry if I misunderstood, hazard of jumping in on fast-moving conversations, I saw your question about whether the FBI and DOJ were indelibly corrupted, and figured I’d point out that yes, some people do believe they’re fundamentally corrupt institutions that should not be relied on. No worries.  I thought the Trump thread was turbocharged.
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SalTheBard posted:Kirs Kobach going down was such a huge personal victory. It really cracks me up because I think if Colyer had won the Primary he probably would've won the general, but Laura Kelly did such a great job of tying Kris K. Kobach to Sam Brownbacks policies that most people couldn't stand voting for the regressive piece of poo poo. Yeah, anti-austerity candidates tend to do pretty well in a lot of red states. Take note, Dems!!!!
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Skex posted:I "love" how most of the "leftists" in the Dems are bad Brigade rely largely on repeating and reinforcing Right Wing Framing. Here's a hint, there is a reason why the Right absolutely hates and uses Nancy Pelosi as their political chew toy of choice and it's not because she's too centrist. It's because she's effective and the last loving thing the left needs to be doing at this point is jettisoning effective leaders because the Republicans say poo poo. uh except they're attacking her from the left and not the right.
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Skex posted:I "love" how most of the "leftists" in the Dems are bad Brigade rely largely on repeating and reinforcing Right Wing Framing. Here's a hint, there is a reason why the Right absolutely hates and uses Nancy Pelosi as their political chew toy of choice and it's not because she's too centrist. It's because she's effective and the last loving thing the left needs to be doing at this point is jettisoning effective leaders because the Republicans say poo poo. i have some sympathy for the argument that pelosi isn't a political benefit in elections, but (a) we just won the house with her as the "face" of the party so there's no need to worry about the past; and (b) in the next election, the "face" of the party is gonna be whoever the nominee is, not pelosi, so who gives a poo poo that said, i do think that the house leadership needs to let in new people and start grooming younger reps, and that this should probably be pelosi's last term and she should spend these two years grooming successors
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Florida has until tomorrow to count all the votes from Tuesday. Machine recounts have until next Thursday. Manual recounts have until next Saturday. I'm working off memory, so please correct if wrong. Edit- and if the machine recounts come up even closer, they have the additional 2 days to manually recount, lol ummel fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Majorian posted:I, too, believe that Broward County is the part of Florida that's a banana republic. Will we learn from 2000 and have a bunch of counter-protesters show up?
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Hahahahahaha they do realize how many of them would fail a basic civics test right It's a stereotype at this point but it's amazing how little the conservative members of my family understand about civics. My uncle was arguing the senate was elected every two years and that's why we need term limits.
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Watching the Democrats be dragged even further to the right into an outspokenly white supremacist party really was inevitable, wasn't it.
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Any new person would also get attacked by fox news then also get attacked by "leftists" that are "we yell all the stuff as fox news but when we use liberal as an insult we mean it different in our hearts" it's not like changing to someone new would change either of those.
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VideoGameVet posted:Will we learn from 2000 and have a bunch of counter-protesters show up? I wish I could say yes, because holy poo poo, that's absolutely what needs to happen. Buuuuut I'm not holding my breath.
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pacerhimself posted:Who is paying these thugs to interfere with the recount? Memories!
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Majorian posted:This too. Actually getting people out protesting and not just engaging in slacktivism or whatever is good. Entryism works. there was a DSA lady from Houston who chatted with literally every single individual person at the 70 ish person protest I attended yesterday I bet at least one or two people are going to be more amenable towards the DSA than they were before
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Taintrunner posted:Watching the Democrats be dragged even further to the right into an outspokenly white supremacist party really was inevitable, wasn't it. Those signs are ironic. It’s the most obvious thing in the world.
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Taintrunner posted:Watching the Democrats be dragged even further to the right into an outspokenly white supremacist party really was inevitable, wasn't it. i have to assume you're posting in bad faith because you can't be stupid enough to think those protests were because they support his policies
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So white land owners. Really reaching to replay history.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Any new person would also get attacked by fox news then also get attacked by "leftists" that are "we yell all the stuff as fox news but when we use liberal as an insult we mean it different in our hearts" i'm not saying that she should do that because of what fox news thinks, but because it's important to have more youthful leadership. fox's views are irrelevant because they'll always be the same. but the biggest knock on pelosi's leadership is that she's been bad about introducing younger members of the caucus to leadership, all the leadership roles are filled by very old people and one or more of those should have been filled with a younger up-and-comer to learn the ropes four years ago.
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Taintrunner posted:Watching the Democrats be dragged even further to the right into an outspokenly white supremacist party really was inevitable, wasn't it. I literally do not understand how this could be any sensible person's takeaway from that picture.
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God, I can’t imagine attempting to defend the integrity of loving Rick Scott. Ghouls.
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Taintrunner posted:Watching the Democrats be dragged even further to the right into an outspokenly white supremacist party really was inevitable, wasn't it. That's not what's happening. The Dems are way too far to the right, but it's nothing compared to where they were ten years ago.
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Skex posted:I "love" how most of the "leftists" in the Dems are bad Brigade rely largely on repeating and reinforcing Right Wing Framing. Here's a hint, there is a reason why the Right absolutely hates and uses Nancy Pelosi as their political chew toy of choice and it's not because she's too centrist. It's because she's effective and the last loving thing the left needs to be doing at this point is jettisoning effective leaders because the Republicans say poo poo. I am not on the anti-Pelosi train (or at least not on the "she cannot be speaker" train) but we used this narrative to justify HRC to ourselves as well only for her campaign's utter incompetence to be laid bare after the fact. And granted, Pelosi is a tested known quantity while Clinton's campaigning ability was not, but I'd recommend you follow your own advice and not allow the right's reaction to someone shape your perception of them. The right hates Pelosi because she's a woman and a California arch-liberal, it has nothing to do with her qualifications.
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Rinkles posted:Is there a reason why the count is taking so long? The system is designed so large counties don’t have the resources to count as quickly as smaller counties. The longer it takes the more likely they won’t get counted due to suspicion of making up votes. Cut resources to that county. Repeat.
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right wingers know democracy will be the end of them so of course they abandon it. without voter suppression georgia and florida are purple and possibly blue.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Susan B Anthony literally helped harriet tubman work on the underground railroad and had fredrick douglass live in her house for a while and her first political action ever was running antislavery petitions at 16 because they were made illegal. this is from 1910 Emma Goldman posted:The American suffrage movement has been, until very recently, altogether a parlor affair, absolutely detached from the economic needs of the people. Thus Susan B. Anthony, no doubt an exceptional type of woman, was not only indifferent but antagonistic to labor; nor did she hesitate to manifest her antagonism when, in 1869, she advised women to take the places of striking printers in New York. I do not know whether her attitude had changed before her death.
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Rinkles posted:Is there a reason why the count is taking so long? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Kemp and DeSantis are personally sitting on a pile of paper ballots, guarding them with a gun, and people have to sneak in and grab a few every couple of minutes.
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Taintrunner posted:Watching the Democrats be dragged even further to the right into an outspokenly white supremacist party really was inevitable, wasn't it. Jesus Christ, the bottom sign is a joke. They aren’t defending him.
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Bicyclops posted:At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Kemp and DeSantis are personally sitting on a pile of paper ballots, guarding them with a gun, and people have to sneak in and grab a few every couple of minutes. "Hey look! An interracial couple!' *Steals a handful*
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Skex posted:I "love" how most of the "leftists" in the Dems are bad Brigade rely largely on repeating and reinforcing Right Wing Framing. Criticizing her for not grooming successors, whiffing on the DACA gambit, and saying poo poo like "We're capitalist and that's the way it is," is in no ways repeating/reinforcing Right-Wing Framing, you dingus.
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ummel posted:Florida has until tomorrow to count all the votes from Tuesday. What the hell is the rush? Are there actual positions where people are set to take office this year?
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