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Main Paineframe posted:Hasn't he insisted continuously since Nov 2016 that millions of illegal votes were cast for Hillary Clinton in the election? Hell, before the election, wasn't he openly promising that if Hillary won, he'd claim the election was stolen? He regularly said before the election that if Hillary won it was rigged, and if he won then it was fine.
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Teddybear posted:It's also why there's the reputation of "Florida Man;" it's way, way easier to get police reports and mugshots in Florida than in other states, which means that the wacky poo poo that happens everywhere gets publicly reported in Florida and spread wide. It really comes down to "we shouldn't be punishing people above and beyond the legal framework" but good luck getting "were you ever arrested?" banned from hiring forms.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:41
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evilweasel posted:it is unclear to me what the harm of this decision would be, as described it sounds like they just have to make information public. i'd obviously want to read the decision though. The harm is people are going to hold this up as evidence of fraud regardless, although I don't know how different that is from what's going on anyway
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eke out posted:There's no reason to think the findings will be released 'any day' except if you believe Trump's lawyers. There's also a lot of good reasons to think that public findings won't be released at all, absent a certain particular set of circumstances. Okay, so then when are they gonna run the Impeachment gambit then? Everyone and their mom knows he's guilty AF, and if Pelosi knows her job is on the line she'll follow through within the next six months. Even if nothing comes out of it besides 'Impeachment trials', it will still easily tie up Congress for the next two years until the election, which is exactly what we want. I dont see how this could be a loss, just get the ball rolling already so we can stop this petulant man-child
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Yeah everything I’m reading about this Broward nonsense (even before the court order) suggests to me they are not complying with the law and I’m not sure why. I assume it’s just incompetence and hope it’s nothing fraudulent because Republicans will jump all over the VOTER FRAUD narrative (while conveniently ignoring voter suppression).
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Nov 9, 2018 22:42
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Harik posted:Which is actually really terrible - if you're picked up for a crime you didn't commit, congratulations, you've factually done it every time a potential employer googles your name from here to the heat death of the universe. It's banned in California. quote:What is the Fair Chance Act?
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Just impeaching him would be nice. It would be a mark of shame for the rest of his life and for the republican party.
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Lemming posted:The harm is people are going to hold this up as evidence of fraud regardless, although I don't know how different that is from what's going on anyway yeah i mean we can't all cower in fear of things being used for republican lies cause those are coming no matter what (and honestly they'd have more of a kernel of truth if the information wasn't being released, I don't know why they're not, they should be), but i don't really see any way that decision is harmful or sets up a bush v. gore situation.
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If Trump loses in 2020 the bigger and unambiguous the loss the better, otherwise he will without a doubt make things NASTY for the country and his base will fall in line with conspiracies. Ah gently caress it, their mouths will foam with rage no matter what
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Astro7x posted:I believe I was reading that there were some laws that state they must update with vote totals every 45 minutes, which they are not doing. They probably have so much to do, this is how they're cutting corners with time. Oh well, it's gonna take a little longer.
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Parrotine posted:Okay, so then when are they gonna run the Impeachment gambit then? You don't need to "tie up" Congress, nothing can pass without the assent of the House Dems. The Senate can easily dispose of an impeachment trial in a day if they feel like it.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:If Trump loses in 2020 the bigger and unambiguous the loss the better, otherwise he will without a doubt make things NASTY for the country and his base will fall in line with conspiracies. the more important thing is that 2020 is a redistricting year so we need downballot coattails as long as possible
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Mind_Taker posted:Yeah everything I’m reading about this Broward nonsense (even before the court order) suggests to me they are not complying with the law and I’m not sure why. I assume it’s just incompetence and hope it’s nothing fraudulent because Republicans will jump all over the VOTER FRAUD narrative (while conveniently ignoring voter suppression). I absolutely agree with you. I really hope local election officials weren't dumb enough to actually commit voter fraud. That would be an easy way for Democrats to completely lose Florida for the next several election cycles.
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Waltzing Along posted:Just impeaching him would be nice. It would be a mark of shame for the rest of his life and for the republican party. It would also be a good precedent for the country. We should impeach our presidents on a semi-regular basis just because. I'm sincere.
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Astro7x posted:I believe I was reading that there were some laws that state they must update with vote totals every 45 minutes, which they are not doing. My assumption is that they are not complying because they are undermanned and underfunded. But I don't know poo poo about Florida, so feel free to correct me.
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Mind_Taker posted:Yeah everything I’m reading about this Broward nonsense (even before the court order) suggests to me they are not complying with the law and I’m not sure why. I assume it’s just incompetence and hope it’s nothing fraudulent because Republicans will jump all over the VOTER FRAUD narrative (while conveniently ignoring voter suppression). They're going with that narrative regardless. The best thing the Left could do is not grant it any credence and just make fun of them for being against counting votes.
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Serfer posted:It's banned in California. That's nice, but good luck proving whether they googled you before making a hiring decision.
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i had missed this, florida dems are suing to stop the "signature mismatch" issue in florida as well https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1060933543470252032
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Mind_Taker posted:Yeah everything I’m reading about this Broward nonsense (even before the court order) suggests to me they are not complying with the law and I’m not sure why. I assume it’s just incompetence and hope it’s nothing fraudulent because Republicans will jump all over the VOTER FRAUD narrative (while conveniently ignoring voter suppression).
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lol now these are the aggressive pissed-off FBI leaks i remember from when Comey got fired
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Prophecy0 posted:I absolutely agree with you. I really hope local election officials weren't dumb enough to actually commit voter fraud. That would be an easy way for Democrats to completely lose Florida for the next several election cycles. they're not committing voter fraud dude and there's no reason at all to believe they are. they're just focusing on counting the ballots instead of satiating our curiosity.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:If Trump loses in 2020 the bigger and unambiguous the loss the better, otherwise he will without a doubt make things NASTY for the country and his base will fall in line with conspiracies. His base loses about 2 million people a year. If he fails reelection in 2020, they'll be down 10-12 million by the time 2024 comes around.
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I gotta be honest; I am not afraid of Trump's base of paintball weekend militia warriors, geriatric gun nuts, and dipshit proud boys at all. They want to bring an insurrection? I want to see the 14th Rascal brigade and the 88th Proud Waffen division against the actual military, who by and large despise Trump. They are all big talk; a bunch of loons and olds in compounds no one else cares about. They have no power. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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If you like to watch behind the scene politics stories, Vice has a miniseries about Katie Hill who flipped CA25 after being in Republican control for 25 years. I highly recommend it. https://youtu.be/B2MeTpDByEw
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evilweasel posted:they're not committing voter fraud dude and there's no reason at all to believe they are. they're just focusing on counting the ballots instead of satiating our curiosity. Nate Silver triggered all our PTSD and we will not return to normal until everyone has been sworn in
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evilweasel posted:lol now these are the aggressive pissed-off FBI leaks i remember from when Comey got fired sounds like a victim actually hooked them up here quote:The investigation is being handled by the Miami office of the FBI and by the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, according to an email sent to the alleged victim last year by an FBI victim specialist. A recording on a phone line set up by the Justice Department to help victims said Friday the case remains active. so a pissed-off leak by someone screwed by Whitaker, just not the FBI lol
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 It's interesting how all 3 losers got roughly the same vote share. (There were only two candidates in the Cramer race)
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eke out posted:yeah there's not actually anything wrong with this, it appears they pretty legitimately did not comply This is one of the probable origins for the legendary Florida Man as well, since the dumb poo poo its denizens do is easily findable E:FB Feldegast42 fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Harik posted:I'm not willing to jump immediately to "incompetence" in a minority-heavy county, especially when it comes to funding being so unequally distributed based on property/sales taxes. Broward has always had a hard time doing elections and it'd be interesting to get a deep-dive into why. Sorry, you’re right. Instead of incompetence I should have said insufficient resources.
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Z. Autobahn posted:Yeah... I think the argument that Kavanaugh/caravan helped Dems in the House but hurt them in the Senate feels pretty accurate. Which doesn't necessarily bode great for 2020. All of the close states that the Dems need to win in 2020 (PA, MI, WI) delivered solid victories in their Senate and Governor races. Iowa was close in the governors race and a success in the House (flipped 2 out of 3 GOP held seats). The key is that the Dems need to stop focusing on the right-on-around-the-corner *~demographic changes~* in North Carolina, Georgia, Texas, and Florida, and bring it home in their blue wall states up north. Those sunbelt states have an above-average concentration of the Chuds. They are digging their feet in because Trump is red meat to the GOP base. Meanwhile, you have states that were considered gimmes by the Dems in Presidential elections that Trump only narrowly won because he was able to convince a small subset of voters that he wasn't a typical Republican. Now that he is a typical Republican, they need to drive that home and win those people back. No need for xenophobia, no need to abandon racial justice - just basic scraps to working people.
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This dude wants to be Kingpin sooooooo hard I shall call him King Pinhead
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:If Trump loses in 2020 the bigger and unambiguous the loss the better, otherwise he will without a doubt make things NASTY for the country and his base will fall in line with conspiracies. He will not go quietly. I say this every time I see someone mention this, but he cannot and will not go quietly. If the Mueller report really was going to slide off his back he wouldn't be trying to destroy the country in the way he is right now (he still would be, make no mistake). He cannot cede power because the minute he is out of power he risks jail and financial ruin.
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TulliusCicero posted:I gotta be honest; I am not afraid of Trump's base of paintball weekend militia warriors, geriatric gun nuts, and dipshit proud boys at all. Not sure on the whole "military despises Trump" thing though Although from what I heard the enlisted men love him while the officers loving hate him
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Sir Lemming posted:I shall call him King Pinhead He might be a fleshy boy but he's not really new flesh material
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Sir Lemming posted:This dude wants to be Kingpin sooooooo hard How DARE you?! 
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Feldegast42 posted:Not sure on the whole "military despises Trump" thing though From 2017: quote:President Donald Trump enjoys far stronger support among members of the military than the American public at large, according to the latest scientific Military Times poll. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2017/10/23/military-times-poll-what-you-really-think-about-trump/
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lol apparently kris kobach should probably have also taken some remedial "running a campaign" classesquote:While Kansas Secretary of State would like to blame “God’s will” for his surprising loss to the Democratic candidate in his gubernatorial bid this week, state Republican strategists and people who worked for his primary challenger Gov. Jeff Colyer’s campaign say the fault is more tangible than divine intervention. edit: underlying article: https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/election/article221350970.html quote:Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state, struggled to pay his campaign staff on time and at one point lacked a working phone system at his Johnson County campaign office, according to GOP sources familiar with the campaign. And people who offered to volunteer were never contacted. lol literally measuring the drapes on the governor's office instead of running a campaign evilweasel fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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