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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Dems did well enough for me to turn away from "lol @ Dems" nihilism. I know it's kind of hosed up that this hinged on them doing adequately but just being honest here. the dem gains this time around were mostly from actual progressives, the establishment democrats themselves did the usual dem thing and crash and burned hard when we say "dems bad" we generally mean the centrist skeletons who want to be republicans very badly, not the progressives that are slowly replacing them
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There's been some controversy lately over whether or not Jim Acosta assaulted a White House staffer, complicated by the fact that the video used by the press appears to have been edited. I'm happy to report that I managed to find the raw footage so that everyone can judge the situation for themselves. https://youtu.be/DVoIffoKHac
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Guze posted:gently caress the NRA and their enablers I wonder if they have any rankings other than A or F.
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Yinlock posted:the dem gains this time around were mostly from actual progressives, the establishment democrats themselves did the usual dem thing and crash and burned hard Right, this was the most encouraging thing. I mean I look at that woman in Kansas...the first Native American, LGBT woman voted into Congress ever, and she's from Kansas..and she could kick literal rear end MMA style...I mean just the sheer DIFFERENCE of someone like her vs who she replaced is something I want to see tons more of. Enough of the all old white man poo poo.
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VH4Ever posted:Right, this was the most encouraging thing. One of the biggest things that the party needs to get is that we should stop running rich dudes who can self-finance because its cheaper for the party. Cool, just run another rich generic empty suit because you're not interested in focusing on some state, I'm sure the voters will totally get motivated by that poo poo
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The Glumslinger posted:One of the biggest things that the party needs to get is that we should stop running rich dudes who can self-finance because its cheaper for the party. Cool, just run another rich generic empty suit because you're not interested in focusing on some state, I'm sure the voters will totally get motivated by that poo poo Very true. Related: seeing how explicitly classist some fuckers are wrt: AOC having trouble swinging rent on a pad in expensive DC when she won't start getting paid for months was really loving revealing. Granted I think this was mostly Fox News CHUDs but the mere fact that you're just PRESUMED to be rich to be in DC and sort of need to be just as a price of entry to that market is pretty goddamned gross.
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VH4Ever posted:Well and I think that's needed. It's a favorable map next time, right? All the more reason to make sure they run quality Dems! I think that's maybe a bit of a simplification that then gets caught up in debates like "Beto lost because he was too center/Beto did so well because he was so progressive." I think a more useful lesson to take might be that generally it seems like candidates who ran on issues such as health care and voter rights did well (win or lose) and candidates who got mired in triangulation over stuff like Kavanaugh or the Caravan struggled. The lesson I'd take is that we should run more sincere, authentic (at least seeming) candidates who run unapologetically on the issues we know matter.
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Arturo Ui posted:I wonder if they have any rankings other than A or F. Bernie Sanders has vacillated between D and F for awhile so they theoretically do.
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Piell posted:Sinema is up 21k where's that dipshit telling everyone maricopa wasn't going to help the dem
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Sweeper posted:where's that dipshit telling everyone maricopa wasn't going to help the dem He graciously recanted. Be nice.
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Be still my beating heart Also: assume nothing, ease on hope
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Sweeper posted:where's that dipshit telling everyone maricopa wasn't going to help the dem I've heard cautionary mentions of maricopa that there's some chuddy bits to it (so as to not inflate expectations) but I haven't seen anything that said "maricopa=mcsally country" That said, REALLY good news. 21K is starting to get into "hard to catch up" territory for McSally.
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A few months ago it looked like Bredesen would win - he was a seemingly great candidate vs a seemingly terrible candidate. In the end he did about as well as the 3 big losers Democrats, though admittedly without incumbency. He was just stomped. Jumping into the Kavanaugh thing was such an unforced error, but it looks like it was a desperation play from being down in the polls rather than the thing that caused him to lose. I never thought Beto really had a chance but he came very close and pulled up so many downballot candidates. https://twitter.com/LovToRideMyTrek/status/1053091712711774208
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Unfortunately in the Arizona SoS vote the Republican is still 10k votes in the lead. Would need another favorable drop like this one and no countervailing drops to barely eke out a dem victory there.
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this is the most bizzare election first we go into it confident but, of course, with 2016 ptsd. then of course nate loving silver's model breaks and tells us ALL IS LOST, 2016 REIGNS SUPREME, HOPE IS DEAD and then after an hour of hyperventilating "oh actually nm everythings fine dems gonna win the house" and then we wind up at the high end of the range. but the senate map is an unbelievable disaster, complete wipeout. except we wake up the next day and suddenly instead of losing montana, we won it and the next day waking up and midday finding instead of arizona, we won it and there is still a chance that tomorrow we will wake up and find instead of losing florida, we won it what the hell man
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Ague Proof posted:A few months ago it looked like Bredesen would win - he was a seemingly great candidate vs a seemingly terrible candidate. In the end he did about as well as the 3 big losers Democrats, though admittedly without incumbency. He was just stomped. I would argue it's likely the Kavanaugh thing probably hosed him, it reportedly cost him all his volunteers which means no GOTV and probably obliterated his standing with Democratic women.
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With how long you guys drag out elections Im honestly kind of surprised heart attacks and liver failure arent way more prevalent, especially in young people.
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Rosenstein: "please take this burden from me. Trump keeps subtweeting me and leaving signed pictures of himself in my car. It's driving me insane"
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Ague Proof posted:A few months ago it looked like Bredesen would win - he was a seemingly great candidate vs a seemingly terrible candidate. In the end he did about as well as the 3 big losers Democrats, though admittedly without incumbency. He was just stomped. He was definitely a Grand Master of something
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evilweasel posted:this is the most bizzare election I want off this rollercoaster of emotions.
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lol it must be nice to be able to just ignore subpoenas by saying "sorry i'm busy"quote:When the FTC subpoenaed Whitaker for his records related to the company in October 2017, he failed to provide any information, telling investigators that he was busy at that time moving from Iowa to Washington for a new job, according to people with knowledge of the case.
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Sweeper posted:where's that dipshit telling everyone maricopa wasn't going to help the dem That was me, and I said I was hoping I was wrong and I’m very much happy to be so. OAquinas posted:I've heard cautionary mentions of maricopa that there's some chuddy bits to it (so as to not inflate expectations) but I haven't seen anything that said "maricopa=mcsally country" Yeah, my optimism is growing more. For reference, Maricopa hasn’t voted blue for a senator for 30 years I believe, and even in 2016 when the state narrowed further, it was still a large decisive win for McCain. Also, I think Pima is counting their votes faster than Maricopa, so they could be pulling it a bit more toward Sinema at the moment but if Maricopa even holds 50:50 the rest of the way it should be good.
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Furnaceface posted:With how long you guys drag out elections Im honestly kind of surprised heart attacks and liver failure arent way more prevalent, especially in young people. Good news, most of our young people don't vote or care. We are thrilled that their voting surged to like 40%.
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The Arizona SoS is actually closer than the senate race, and you'd think any Sinema votes would go to help the dem...could actually pull it off, maybe!
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nine-gear crow posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1061012945499512837 So not only was this the morally right thing to do, politically smart thing to do (because the rurals aren't gonna get any serious amount of votes and its best to be on the side of count every vote, every time); this was legally a VERY smart thing to do. Why? Bush v. Gore. Bush v. Gore, technically, was a ruling that counting ballots in different ways in different precincts violated due process. In other words, trying to stick with the "count my ballots, not theirs" gives an absolutely ideal opportunity for the Supreme Court to step in and "but actually, in a 5-4 decision..." a Republican victory. The roadmap is all right there, Republicans would have made that argument and under the Bush v. Gore precedent they'd have a good shot at winning. Giving Republicans a tiny handful of ballots in exchange for SCOTUS-proofing this ballot count is a great win.
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farraday posted:Lie cheat and steal if you think you can get away with it because everyone else is doing it as well.
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This thread sometimes... "Every vote should count and everyone should have the opportunity to vote" is both the morally correct position and beneficial to Democrats. There's no need to make some kind of devil's bargain here.
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It looks like they're still updating the counts on that site, though the gap still seems to be holding.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:He was definitely a Grand Master of something I believe you are thinking "Wizard" friend
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Lightning Knight posted:I would argue it's likely the Kavanaugh thing probably hosed him, it reportedly cost him all his volunteers which means no GOTV and probably obliterated his standing with Democratic women. Right. Maybe he would have done much better but probably not enough to win if he had just kept his mouth shut? He was trailing in the polls at that point and in the end it wasn't even close.
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OAquinas posted:The Arizona SoS is actually closer than the senate race, and you'd think any Sinema votes would go to help the dem...could actually pull it off, maybe! People vote in weird, stupid, ugly(racist, sexist, you name it) ways. Look at Gillum being down by more than Nelson, Or Baldwin winning by 11 and Walker losing by 1.
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Ague Proof posted:Right. He would have done much better but probably not enough to win if he had just kept his mouth shut? He was trailing in the polls at that point. I don't think we could argue the counterfactual but he would've certainly had better GOTV. He perhaps could've chosen to campaign on something else actually useful, instead. We shall never know. 
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