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Gripweed posted:The best part of Rogue One is that it established that the flaw in the Death Star was intentional sabotage. In the original, the exhaust port was the only weak spot, and to attack it was a desperate gamble. A shot that experienced pilots thought was impossible, and in the end required literal magic to pull off. But after decades of "Why didn't they just put a grate over it?!" Cinema Sins morons, Disney decided that it had to have been an intentionally designed secret Achilles heel. Mads Mikkelson engineered a flaw that wouldn't have been a flaw at all if the Rebellion hadn't had a literal secret wizard flying one of their X-Wings. I was assuming that the intentional flaw was the 'if you explode a tiny explosive in the engine core of a loving MOON the entire thing chain-reacts to death', and he was assuming that the method of delivery would be land and carry it in' rather than 'one in a billion shot from a snubfighter', personally. I'd be reasonably cool with no more anthology movies if we get TV series instead. At least, if I can actually watch them without buying additional streaming services. I think SW lends itself better to TV anyway, in these days of movies needing to be tentpole blockbuster franchises with endlessly marketable etc, and TV having a bit more room for actual creativity.
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Safety Factor posted:The Heresy is set apart by the fact that it ...was the setting of the original Adeptus Titanicus? 
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thespaceinvader posted:I was assuming that the intentional flaw was the 'if you explode a tiny explosive in the engine core of a loving MOON the entire thing chain-reacts to death', and he was assuming that the method of delivery would be land and carry it in' rather than 'one in a billion shot from a snubfighter', personally. I don't see the appeal of any more Star Wars in any format. There were three good movies, and then seven bad ones. And hundreds of sub-BL quality books and comics. If we must have more Star Wars, I guess the franchise does OK with video games, so more video games could be good. But clearly, it's not a very good setting for narrative fiction.
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Nov 10, 2018 00:37
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Gripweed posted:There were three good movies, and then seven bad ones. See, I don't really super love the new star wars movies but when I see this opinion I just laugh at the people papering over return of the jedi like it's automatically better than any of the other ones that have been made. People were just as upset when that came out. loving ewoks? another death star? Really? Sounds like the same things people hate about the new new ones. Another death star and porgs.
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General Olloth posted:See, I don't really super love the new star wars movies but when I see this opinion I just laugh at the people papering over return of the jedi like it's automatically better than any of the other ones that have been made. I was trying to be generous and also avoid a RotJ debate, but yeah, the franchise was already getting shaky by the third movie
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Nov 10, 2018 01:08
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Gripweed posted:I was trying to be generous and also avoid a RotJ debate, but yeah, the franchise was already getting shaky by the third movie Fair enough. You can't avoid debating star wars I've found it happens whether you want it to or not.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:36
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Are the Legion minis still horrible?
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Boba Fett actually looks great but I haven't seen any of the other newer sculpts.
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Nov 10, 2018 03:13
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Having to have rules and set lore for literally everything thats even slightly mentioned is why you have action figures of Willrow Hood. Can I also add to this by saying that the narrowing and somewhat elimination of the gap between models and artwork is really hurting current 40k. Telling your artists that they have to make sure they only put available models in their artwork prevents them from doing half of their job. The art is meant to go beyond what you can realistically see on the tabletop and show you aspects of the universe beyond the game itself. Unfortunately, due to GW's Apple-style brand consolidation, I doubt we'll ever see anything like this ever again out of their art team:   
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Nov 10, 2018 04:22
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Nov 10, 2018 04:29
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Endman posted:Unfortunately, due to GW's Apple-style brand consolidation, I doubt we'll ever see anything like this ever again out of their art team: GW recently put out a deck of playing cards with John Blanche art just like this. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Dark-Millennium-Playing-Cards-2017
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Nov 10, 2018 05:58
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Having to have rules and set lore for literally everything thats even slightly mentioned is why you have action figures of Willrow Hood. There's nothing mysterious about the Men of Iron. They were sentient robots. The end. They weren't all particularly great robots, as we know because some of them were mass produced [Finding a machine that churns them out was a....Cain or Gaunt novel, I forget which] and they aren't striding the universe as unquestioned machine gods. They got their poo poo packed in, same as anything else. That being said, a mass produced army where something like UR was the grunt would be devastating. He has a massive gun, big claw, and self heals. And he's the "Just a dude" level robbit mans. He's not like the God Emperor of Robots. He's a grunt. A really, really good grunt. Were you to take him in an Imperial army it's effectively 1 CP to have a self-repairing heavy weapon with good saves. It's also cool as gently caress, which is the more important part, and the reason that GW was able to turn it around as a company. They did a lot of things that are just cool and fun and interesting. It is never, ever, ever the wrong decision to let players do more fun things in their games. Ever.
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Gripweed posted:I don't see the appeal of any more Star Wars in any format. There were three good movies, and then seven bad ones. And hundreds of sub-BL quality books and comics. If we must have more Star Wars, I guess the franchise does OK with video games, so more video games could be good. But clearly, it's not a very good setting for narrative fiction. Hell yeah give me another Jedi Knight game, Outcast is the best star wars game ever made. Fight me
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Nov 10, 2018 11:09
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I just want another proper Knights of the Old Republic.
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Nov 10, 2018 11:11
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You might be in luck some day, there are rumours EA wants to shut down TOR
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Nov 10, 2018 11:16
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It lasted a surprisingly long time considering that MMOs were already in decline while it was still in development.
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I actually quite enjoyed TOR for what it was. I paid absolutely 0 money for it though
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TOR was merely okay to decent when it came out. I went back to try it later because it was fairly fun as a Star Wars RPG, but good lord did they make the microtransaction side obnoxious when it went free to play. I played korean f2p MMOs that were trying to get into your pockets at every moment less.
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Nov 10, 2018 15:14
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Owlbear Camus posted:Remember FFG's deck building game where instead of building decks you just got one procedural RNGed that you are never, ever allowed to modify even slightly? 
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Nov 10, 2018 16:11
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Not gonna lie, I would play it if I could get 'Weedlord Bonerhitler' deck
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Nov 10, 2018 16:17
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Yeah big WTF at that. If you are lucky enough to get a Cumlords deck you should be allowed to use it.
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StuG Jeebus posted:Not gonna lie, I would play it if I could get 'Weedlord Bonerhitler' deck s a m e
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Nov 10, 2018 16:27
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Yeah sure, I'm gonna return my one of a kind forbidden bonerhitler deck. Maybe I can use these misprinted stamps i found in grandpas album to mail it.
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StuG Jeebus posted:Not gonna lie, I would play it if I could get 'Weedlord Bonerhitler' deck Would pay 69 dollars for one
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darnon posted:TOR was merely okay to decent when it came out. I went back to try it later because it was fairly fun as a Star Wars RPG, but good lord did they make the microtransaction side obnoxious when it went free to play. I played korean f2p MMOs that were trying to get into your pockets at every moment less. poo poo yeah I remember they charged you for extra ability bars lmao
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Endman posted:Can I also add to this by saying that the narrowing and somewhat elimination of the gap between models and artwork is really hurting current 40k. I literally saw a folder of crazy John Blanche art a couple of months ago that was turned into Rogue Trader. That was handed in September 2014. So no, GW are going to keep doing crazy cool stuff and the flood gates on it opened when Kirby went. But there's a lead time of a couple of years on every project.
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Nov 10, 2018 20:47
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They're also doing webcomics now featuring characters without models
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Thundercloud posted:I literally saw a folder of crazy John Blanche art a couple of months ago that was turned into Rogue Trader. That was handed in September 2014. Making models out of old artwork isn’t the same as making new artwork that shows things outside of the model range, hth
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Gripweed posted:They're also doing webcomics now featuring characters without models I'm the sweating skull
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It's important to introduce children to space fascism as young as possible
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Gripweed posted:They're also doing webcomics now featuring characters without models This definitely expands the breadth and depth of the horrifying murderfuture of Warhammer 40,000 and definitely is not a silly cartoon that undermines the relentlessly bleak atmosphere by constantly winking at the camera.  So wacky and fun lmao
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Endman posted:This definitely expands the breadth and depth of the horrifying murderfuture of Warhammer 40,000 and definitely is not a silly cartoon that undermines the relentlessly bleak atmosphere by constantly winking at the camera. 
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Nov 11, 2018 03:00
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40k started as a jokey murderfuture and LOL at wanting it to be super serious
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neonchameleon posted:And speaking of classic 40k, 2nd edition was all relentlessly bleak and never tongue in cheek. I really enjoy when these guys get depicted with like, really German WWI hats and outfits, so they look like goofy wartime cartoons about the Kaiser. You can tell whoever drew them was having a blast.
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neonchameleon posted:And speaking of classic 40k, 2nd edition was all relentlessly bleak and never tongue in cheek. I think you're confusing tongue in cheek with extremely rad.  I'm right you're all wrong.
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neonchameleon posted:And speaking of classic 40k, 2nd edition was all relentlessly bleak and never tongue in cheek. They watched Mad Max and thought "let's turn this poo poo up to 11".
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Endman posted:This definitely expands the breadth and depth of the horrifying murderfuture of Warhammer 40,000 and definitely is not a silly cartoon that undermines the relentlessly bleak atmosphere by constantly winking at the camera. what's it like to be this much of a wet blanket
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Corrode posted:what's it like to be this much of a wet blanket Look, nobody is allowed to have fun unless it's my particular kind of fun.
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Nov 11, 2018 11:06
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Please do no use the word "fun" in the Death Thread thank you
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Nobody is allowed to have death unless it's my particular kind of death.
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