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Minenfeld! posted:I, too, would like the Trump thread split off. Yeah I much preferred the previous situation and find the current thread much more difficult to read for a number of reasons. 
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https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1061261523748904960 Well... that's certainly a list of 7 people.
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1061261523748904960 When there are so few people who want to be in a room with you that you have to resurrect the dead
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Nov 10, 2018 15:21
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1061261523748904960 Well, Ruth ran some bases and hit some balls, and Elvis...sung and danced....surely these warrant the highest civilian award in the land. Also that medal title is tacky as gently caress. I think I'd refuse it just on that alone.
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Nov 10, 2018 15:23
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1061261523748904960 The only person on that list that deserves it is Alan Page. Dude owns.
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Nov 10, 2018 15:24
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1061261523748904960 Of course, the first one is the wife of his friend who has been covering for him since he started his presidential run. And Roger Staubach? Really?!
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Nov 10, 2018 15:24
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Insanite posted:The Trump thread had a certain joie de vivre that this one doesn't. There's always CSPAM, I guess, but the StN ratio there can be really iffy. The Laugh at Trump thread is pretty good. I suggest everyone who misses the Trump thread check it out. A bit light on the discussion, heavy on the "WTF is wrong with Trump?" laughter. Really scratched that itch. Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Honestly Alan page deserves itMahoning posted:The only person on that list that deserves it is Alan Page. Dude owns.  Looks to me like a reward to a donor and throw some other names on there as well.
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Zwabu posted:Yeah I much preferred the previous situation and find the current thread much more difficult to read for a number of reasons. Yeah, it's the previous situation I want back, if the idea was to split to uspol/trump but then it's just two "mad at nancy pelosi/daily recount of the sins of obama/hey guys I found this fox news meme that says liberals are bad but you know I mean it from the left" threads that doesn't help any. I want fun thread/angry thread. Which was the real split that used to exist.
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Alan Page is an African American former state Supreme Court justice but Trump probably only knows that he’s a college and NFL football legend.
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farraday posted:Honestly Alan page deserves it Elvis and Babe Ruth are just so hilariously out of place that I half expected to see Superman on there too
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Young Freud posted:Of course, the first one is the wife of his friend who has been covering for him since he started his presidential run. That's Sheldon Adelson's wife? Haha. Also the cowboys suck etc.
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Ikari Worrier posted:Elvis and Babe Ruth are just so hilariously out of place that I half expected to see Superman on there too The mob killed superman, the mob would never let trump give him the medal of freedom
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Jfc, this thread is almost complete trash comparatively. The reason the split into the 'trump thread' and 'shitpost containment thread' was good, was because it allowed for actual debate and discussion of things that weren't rehashes of the same two year old arguments. It's not to loving avoid opinions, pretend opinions doesn't exist, or to create an echo chamber, it's to be able to be able to read and talk about things which are NOT just the same old poo poo of over and over and over again. If you actually try and read the thread, rather than just skip the 500 posts since the last time you checked, it's like completely obvious how bad the thread is now. Yes. I'm not loving surprised to know that people have incredibly strong (and often mind boggling stupid) opinions on; Hillary lost because...., Bernie would have won..., 'bbb..but Obama jailed children too', 'bbb..but Obama started with drone striking', Obama created trump, 'it's not economic anxiety it's racism! The dems abandoned the racists!', a thousand variations on 'why the dems are bad', Nancy Pelosi is 'bad/good/too centrist/strongest whip/too old', Manchin is bad/necessary/awful, 'red state democrats should just (...) and they'd win'!. I literally could go on and on with listing topics like this. Which I'm sure some people want to continue having, but are completely destructive to any meaningful discussion on anything else. It suffocates the ability to talk about anything current or relevant, like whatever new atrocity Trump has cooked up, because of the constant hot-take rehashing of old arguments, that if you've spends any time in USPOL (or just d&d really) in the last two years or follow politics in general, you've heard hundreds of times. In addition, it does the same thing that happens in the media. Under a constant deluge of poo poo, the individual turds become indistinguishable from each other. We needed the trump thread to talk about trump things, separate for all the other poo poo. If anything just to be able to try and keep track of all the heinous poo poo he does, without constantly being interrupted by opinions on things that we literally have heard and debated to death HUNDREDS of times. There is nothing valuable or new in saying how bad Manchin is, even if you just learned about it yesterday, because we all know it. The discursive positions on why Hillary lost has been set up, hashed out, and debated over and over again. It's not going to bring anything new into the debate. It just going drown out meaningful conversation. The trump threads weren't even that good, and in practice they often went into normal uspol territory, but at least they allowed for people to try and focus on current things, and sort out the worst of the constantly repeating toxic topics. Instead of currently important and horrible things, being lost in a sea of poo poo. Finally, have you considered that the dems are in fact the real racists? And have you considered that trying to stop fascism is actually just as bad as fascism? What?? No one wants to talk about that? Well, that's quite an echochamber you have here, what a 'safe space', what a hugbox!! e: preemptive, sir this is a Wendy's. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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farraday posted:Honestly Alan page deserves it Looking him up, yeah, but, because Staubach is up there, you can bet Trump didn't pick him because of his career on the Minnesota Supreme Court.
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The Trump thread had like a 15 page derail about grilling. Edit:exaggeration, but come on.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I want fun thread/angry thread. Which was the real split that used to exist. Agreed, this would also be my argument as to why we need the Trump thread back.
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There has been about 10 times the posts complaining about "dems bad" in the last 10 pages then there has been actual posts. There is room for venting and then there is just making the entire thread about how you want the old one back.
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That strong reaction is possibly a good reason to bring back the fun, angry, current events Trump thread.
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The occasional derail was a fair price to pay, given the length of the threads anyway. This thread does not scratch the itch.
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Mendrian posted:The Trump thread had like a 15 page derail about grilling. You say that like it's a bad thing, while in fact it allowed everyone to chill out a bit while Trump was sleeping and/or golfing.
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Insanite posted:That strong reaction is possibly a good reason to bring back the fun, angry, current events Trump thread. No, it really isn't. Maybe it is better for some posters to think of this thread helping them with their withdrawal symptoms.
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I agree that the right has no arguments, and there's nothing to be gained by engaging with them. I just think it's kind of weird to say the Democratic Socialists in the old Trump thread really need to face down the arguments of the revolutionary Marxists in the old US pol thread, because that's America today. Actually, if it were a true debate about tactics, I'd welcome that. I believe the left should adopt the tactics of the right, and by that I mean: 1) Vote far left in every primary 2) Vote D no matter what in every general 3) Get and stay armed There are fewer of them, and they have literally no reasonable arguments, and their entire deal is scamming and exploiting people, and yet by doing that they've managed to completely capture all levels of government. If the left did that, with more people, actual arguments, and compassionate policies, I'd think we'd similarly take over and actually make life livable. I'm welcome to entertain arguments that we should not do that and should instead do [other thing] for [reasons], but what happens instead is that we're called idiots or worse simply because we understand why losing Manchin's seat to a Republican would set us backwards. Is there even really any serious difference in this group about what we'd like a hypothetical future leftist society to look like? I'm in favor of guaranteed healthcare, food, and housing. I'm in favor of a work-optional society where everyone has dignity. Is there a big variance there among the participants of this thread? I don't feel particularly neoliberal but still, I'd prefer Bresden to Blackburn even though Bresden is a poo poo and I'm pissed that he lost.
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Time to check in on The Donald and see how they are handling thingsquote:THIS PISSES ME OFF! WHERE THE HELL IS MY PARTY??? MR. PRESIDENT, WE NEED YOU HERE, NOT IN FRANCE!!
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I don't get what's going on ITT. Did someone take away posters ability to create new threads? If you want a (third) exclusively Trump-focused thread you can create one. No one's stopping you.
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Ardennes posted:No, it really isn't. Maybe it is better for some posters to think of this thread helping them with their withdrawal symptoms. I would argue that it certainly is a good reason. I followed those threads for two years. I could nevet stand USPOL threads for very long. I'd enjoy having a place to discuss and read about Trump without it being USPOL. I suppose I'm more worried that I will stop reading this thread and then there won't be a good place for me in D&D anymore.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I don't get what's going on ITT. Did someone take away posters ability to create new threads? If you want a (third) exclusively Trump-focused thread you can create one. No one's stopping you. Would it not just get merged into this thread for whatever reason the old one was?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I don't get what's going on ITT. Did someone take away posters ability to create new threads? If you want a (third) exclusively Trump-focused thread you can create one. No one's stopping you. I thought Trumpthreads were banned here, now. If that's not true, yeah, of course.
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I'm in the middle of a post right now so bear with me tia
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Look, just accept we're supposed to be fighting like like ants in a jar. The weary, acrimonious bickering of siblings at the end of a ten-hour car trip is the desired outcome. Let's just get on with it.
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Mendrian posted:The Trump thread had like a 15 page derail about grilling. Yeah and I learned a lot and it was entertaining. I'll take fun derails like that over the same arguments over and over again.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Time to check in on The Donald and see how they are handling things ironically supervised manual counting of all votes would probably help the democrats
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Ardennes posted:There has been about 10 times the posts complaining about "dems bad" in the last 10 pages then there has been actual posts. There is room for venting and then there is just making the entire thread about how you want the old one back. Yes, because there is 10x times the people that hate the unrestrained "dems bad" chat than people that want it, it's why the trump hugbox carebear thread had more traffic than the dems are bad thread. It's not even that there should not be a place for people to discuss the problems with the democratic party, because that SHOULD be discussed, but it is massively grating to not have a place to talk politics and current events without Hillary clinton chat. Since "liberals bad, nancy polosi, hilary clinton, what about obama" is the discussion I come here to get AWAY from. Even if the posts in this thread mean it different.
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Arguing about Pelosi and Schumer being bad over and over again isn't helping anyone, just kinda seems like something the mods made up because they don't want to monitor two threads. That may not be the case, but it's certainly coming off that way when everyone appears to like the old way better.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yes, because there is 10x times the people that hate the unrestrained "dems bad" chat than people that want it, it's why the trump hugbox carebear thread had more traffic than the dems are bad thread. It's not even that there should not be a place for people to discuss the problems with the democratic party, because that SHOULD be discussed, but it is massively grating to not have a place to talk politics and current events without Hillary clinton chat. Since "liberals bad, nancy polosi, hilary clinton, what about obama" is the discussion I come here to get AWAY from. Even if the posts in this thread mean it different. Yeah, I feel right now like "ok I'm gonna give this a try for a while" but it definitely reinforces why I read the old Trump thread and stopped following the USPOL thread a long time ago, and I do feel the likely outcome is that soon the enforced misery will cause me to abandon this thread entirely and not have a place for my political stuff on SA forums. And this thread will approach the asymptotic limit of becoming the previous, pre-merge, USPOL thread.
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CubanMissile posted:Arguing about Pelosi and Schumer being bad over and over again isn't helping anyone, It is and it's an important discussion people should have and some people clearly want to have, but like, not in the middle of every other conversation. Which is why "multiple threads" is the answer and no one is pushing for "ban that stuff from the forum entirely"
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I'd absolutely love a discussion about who should be speaker either this term or next, and how people who prefer other than Pelosi can try to create that change.
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Hellblazer187 posted:3) Get and stay armed I too feel that more people should have guns so they can accidentally kill family members when they're scared at night or so they can intentionally shoot up bars full of innocent people when they're upset.
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CubanMissile posted:Arguing about Pelosi and Schumer being bad over and over again isn't helping anyone, just kinda seems like something the mods made up because they don't want to monitor two threads. That may not be the case, but it's certainly coming off that way when everyone appears to like the old way better. It's not "everyone likes the old way better" plenty of people are fine with it, we've expressed this and it's shown by people continuing to post as usual but shockingly the people who hate it are angry, loud and obnoxious much like the republican party so this "silent majority" thing ain't gonna fly
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