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eke out posted:the good news is the hand recount (which is definitely happening, barring tens of thousands of republican votes appearing in broward and palm beach lol) will certainly catch this if the problem really was machines there's dozens/hundreds of votes sitting in a opa locka (miami/dade, basically) mail center that was shut down because of the pipe bombs https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-ballots-are-still-inside-opa-locka-post-office-10899192
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GreyjoyBastard posted:not that this whole NY election system isn't totally hosed, but I would like to nots that "Crowley is bad because he sort of ran under WFP after losing" and "Cuomo is bad because he didn't let Nixon run under WFP after losing" are not the most consistent stances I've seen today I mean it's consistent in that the larger point is "the WFP is not really a progressive institution, and is in fact beholden to the New York political machine."
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Nov 10, 2018 18:18
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Trump only likes wardead who didn't die. Duh.
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Nov 10, 2018 18:19
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Willa Rogers posted:One news story said that PG&E's infrastructure has been responsible for at least 15 of this year's fires. Yup. The one that torched Napa, my hometown, definitely was. And, of course, they are not budging one bit in admitting responsibility.
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Nov 10, 2018 18:19
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't necessarily disagree with doing these things but didn't Bernie do better in caucuses? Or am I misremembering? I don't know. I'm just listing off some of the many things that make the Democratic primary less than a question of who has the most popular ideas
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Nov 10, 2018 18:19
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lol the rah rah troops worship is bad but it's hilarious how much of a coward Trump is and how consistently he fucks easy layups up. The media is desperate to treat him as a normal Republican and he just can't keep his poo poo together long enough to take advantage of it. ^ fair.
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Nov 10, 2018 18:20
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This seems very problematic. Some are arguing that Broward's ballots were poorly designed and that may account for the disparity between governor and senate. Nelson is arguing it's a machine error instead which a hand recount would pick up, but if the ballots were just needlessly (or if you want to go full conspiracy theory, deliberately) confusing then there's nothing to be done.
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Nov 10, 2018 18:20
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Well, they already changed super delegates so now they only get to vote if no one gets a majority
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Nov 10, 2018 18:20
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Grapplejack posted:
Especially considering that you don't even need to consider yourself a racist to get out of jury duty, much the opposite! "I consider the US justice system a sham and a thin coverup to disenfranchise and enslave black men in the modern era." Good luck saying that on jury selection and sticking around. That or bring up jury nullification.
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Maybe if the Democratic primary were perfectly democratic, right-wing "new Dems" like Clinton would still win. Then we have a different problem
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Nov 10, 2018 18:21
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The Glumslinger posted:Well, they already changed super delegates so now they only get to vote if no one gets a majority I still think the funniest DNC decision this year was when they voted not to accept fossil fuel donations and then like a week later voted that actually they do want them
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Nov 10, 2018 18:22
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Party Plane Jones posted:there's dozens/hundreds of votes sitting in a opa locka (miami/dade, basically) mail center that was shut down because of the pipe bombs not discounting that, just discounting that missing votes in these counties are going to be thousands of like 100% republican votes it would take to blow Scott's lead past the .25% hand recount threshold
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Nov 10, 2018 18:22
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This seems very problematic. It looks a lot like a ballot layout problem: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/something-looks-weird-in-broward-county-heres-what-we-know-about-a-possible-florida-recount/
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Nov 10, 2018 18:22
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i missed the dogpile, but for gods sake don't vote for trump even if the DNC rigs the 2020 primaries. write in bernie sanders, write in someone from the PSL, write in gritty. there are plenty of options for not voting for hillary, biden, or whoever else bought the DNC in 2020 that don't involve voting for a racist clown.
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Nov 10, 2018 18:22
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1061293819747057664 https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1061296656526860289 Was definitely a Blue Wave
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As much as I really want it to be a machine error in Broward, looking at the sample ballot the design really is poor and I could see that being the reason so few votes were cast for the Senate race.
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also I must apologize to eke out because i didn't realize people literally believe crowley tried to steal an election by "running" as an impossible-to-elect third party candidate
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Nov 10, 2018 18:24
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corn in the bible posted:also I must apologize to eke out because i didn't realize people literally believe crowley tried to steal an election by "running" as an impossible-to-elect third party candidate haha fair enough, if you weren't around for like multiple days of this derail after AOC won her primary it may seem pretty silly
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corn in the bible posted:also I must apologize to eke out because i didn't realize people literally believe crowley tried to steal an election by "running" as an impossible-to-elect third party candidate impossible to elect?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:not that this whole NY election system isn't totally hosed, but I would like to nots that "Crowley is bad because he sort of ran under WFP after losing" and "Cuomo is bad because he didn't let Nixon run under WFP after losing" are not the most consistent stances I've seen today The board at the WFP thought they could have a progressive candidate, the minute this is stated the unions that make up the bulk of the WFP funding essentially murder it with piano wire from the back seat. When push comes to shove WFP was shown that they have to submit to the machine. Crowley and Cuomo are part of the machine. WFP exists today because they "made up" with Cuomo. EDIT: Check out what happens when progressives try to pull the NY Democratic machine to the left - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/nyregion/democrats-brooklyn-county-committee-seddio.html osker fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Nov 10, 2018 18:27
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He literally tried, it doesn't mean Crowley or the DNC are smart or that it was a good plan
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Nov 10, 2018 18:27
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Your Parents posted:He literally tried, it doesn't mean Crowley or the DNC are smart or that it was a good plan maybe you can point us towards some of the many campaign events that Crowley obviously would've had as the nominee that was seriously trying to steal the election on the WFP ticket for these past two months
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Nov 10, 2018 18:29
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Chilichimp posted:No, idiot, the reason things never change is not "because people oppose fascism." The last two Republican presidents were fascists. Obama was between them, and he proceeded to carry the same poo poo neoliberal water as the dems before him. In fact, it could be argued that we wouldn't have gotten the current fascist if the last Dem had done loving anything at all for the common folk. So if the Republicans continue to run fascists and the comfy libs continue to vote "happily" for the people that enable their popularity, then no. Nothing will change
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Nov 10, 2018 18:30
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Mind_Taker posted:As much as I really want it to be a machine error in Broward, looking at the sample ballot the design really is poor and I could see that being the reason so few votes were cast for the Senate race. I can't remember where I posted it, but I helped a co-worker print out their Florida absentee ballot. It was gigantic and took up several pages, and the first couple times we tried to print it the senate and house seat section was cut off at the bottom. In comparison, my NJ absentee had a hell of alot fewer things to vote on. I helped out all my American co-workers make sure they got ballots this year for Texas and Pennsylvania. My coworker for Kansas applied for his and never got it sent to him (surprise!) I couldn't have another 2016 flashback talking to my friends who didn't fill out their ballots from Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania again.
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Nov 10, 2018 18:31
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It's still unbelievable to me that someone who is on tape taking the 5th like 100 times for medicare fraud can get elected to statewide office 3 times...
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Mind_Taker posted:As much as I really want it to be a machine error in Broward, looking at the sample ballot the design really is poor and I could see that being the reason so few votes were cast for the Senate race. Yeah, I’m in the same boat. Odds are it’s just a design error. BUT, it is Florida we are discussing so anything is possible. Seriously, a story could come out saying it’s all due to a gator gnawing on a voting machine.
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Trump winning in 2020 with 50.5% of the vote is much different than Trump winning with 75% of the vote. Only vote for Trump if you want to give him the illusion that he is strong enough to easily win a civil war, so he'll start a civil war where he can then be defeated.
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qkkl posted:Trump winning in 2020 with 50.5% of the vote is much different than Trump winning with 75% of the vote. Only vote for Trump if you want to give him the illusion that he is strong enough to easily win a civil war, so he'll start a civil war where he can then be defeated. don't vote for trump
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The last two Republican presidents were fascists. Obama was between them, and he proceeded to carry the same poo poo neoliberal water as the dems before him. In fact, it could be argued that we wouldn't have gotten the current fascist if the last Dem had done loving anything at all for the common folk. Like what? pass landmark legislation in an attempt to make insurance accessible for millions?
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eke out posted:maybe you can point us towards some of the many campaign events that Crowley obviously would've had as the nominee that was seriously trying to steal the election on the WFP ticket for these past two months I think he would've tried if AOC hadn't said anything. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that the guy who was in line to be Speaker of the House in a notoriously corrupt state was salty enough about getting primaried that he would've spiked the ball if he wasn't called out immediately. Condiv posted:don't vote for trump
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eke out posted:maybe you can point us towards some of the many campaign events that Crowley obviously would've had as the nominee that was seriously trying to steal the election on the WFP ticket for these past two months Again, this is incredibly dumb because the entire point of calling him out immediately & publicly was to nip that in the bud.
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Chilichimp posted:Like what? pass landmark legislation in an attempt to make insurance accessible for millions? he passed a watered down handout to the insurance industry instead of taking clear and obvious examples of working healthcare systems and using those
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Condiv posted:he passed a watered down handout to the insurance industry instead of taking clear and obvious examples of working healthcare systems and using those Because that was impossible to pass, due to needing the support of right-wing Democrats. If they'd have listened to you and held out for the perfect, it would most likely have collapsed and never got done. Like all the other times they tried it.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The last two Republican presidents were fascists. Obama was between them, and he proceeded to carry the same poo poo neoliberal water as the dems before him. In fact, it could be argued that we wouldn't have gotten the current fascist if the last Dem had done loving anything at all for the common folk. What a novel thought! It’s because of posts like this that I couldn’t be happier that the Trump thread ceased to exist since, apparently, we can only have one US politics thread for some reason. I noticed there’s a Supreme Court thread too, I hope that one gets folded in here, same with all the local politics (California etc). We’re all one happy family!
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Chilichimp posted:Like what? pass landmark legislation in an attempt to make insurance accessible for millions? "accessible" insurance is still prohibitively expensive unless you're getting it through an employer, and then it's merely quite pricey, and that's without getting into how quickly things like copays stack up.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:The last two Republican presidents were fascists. Obama was between them, and he proceeded to carry the same poo poo neoliberal water as the dems before him. In fact, it could be argued that we wouldn't have gotten the current fascist if the last Dem had done loving anything at all for the common folk. Obama didn't do nothing, he just didn't do nearly enough
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Trump can't be bothered to attend a 100th anniversary commeroration for the dead of the Great War becuause it's raining. loving what!?! I'm trying to imagine this happening with Obama, or any previous president, and I just can't do it. I know we should stop harping on about the long ago times before the hell dimension descended on us all, but if Obama had done this? Fox news would be on fire, Hannity would literally have combusted from rage. Jesus.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Because that was impossible to pass, due to needing the support of right-wing Democrats. they don't have to hold out for the perfect. they should hold out for the functional if they're actually interested in governing this nation well though. they didn't do that though and instead opted to pass a watered down handout to the insurance industry
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