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dudermcbrohan
May 14, 2013
literally everything else evoked the feeling of “Classic” anime so this lazy “let’s make it look lovely like anime used to by downsampling it” stood out in a bad way

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Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

If any of y'all are sleeping on Gridman this season, poo poo just got reaaaaaaal interesting in the latest episode.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Wark Say posted:

Wasn't it mentioned that Yuasa has been super busy after finishing work on Devil May Cry Devil Children: Dark Version Devilman Crybaby? Maybe it's that movie and the Dorohedoro series? :pray:

i hope dorohedoro crybaby is a better adaptation of the source material than devilman crybaby

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Ibblebibble posted:

If any of y'all are sleeping on Gridman this season, poo poo just got reaaaaaaal interesting in the latest episode.

I am sleeping on too many things. Seems like a good season overall and all I'm watching is Slime at the moment.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

DisDisDis posted:

i hope dorohedoro crybaby is a better adaptation of the source material than devilman crybaby
While it wasn't without its issues, I'm kinda glad that DM:C didn't overstay its welcome. At a little over 4 hours, it felt like the right length.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
i don't care about the length

Captain Cappy
Aug 7, 2008

DisDisDis posted:

i don't care about the length

Thanks this really boosts my self-esteem

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

thankfully the devilman manga still exists and can be read by all

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

dogsicle posted:

thankfully the devilman manga still exists and can be read by all
:yeah: For an old manga, while not without showing its age, it's still pretty good.

DisDisDis posted:

i don't care about the length

Captain Cappy posted:

Thanks this really boosts my self-esteem
Excellent one-two combo! :mmmhmm:

CrashScreen
Nov 11, 2012

Ibblebibble posted:

If any of y'all are sleeping on Gridman this season, poo poo just got reaaaaaaal interesting in the latest episode.

It feels like it had become a bit of a sleepy show for the past couple of episodes, but this is reeling things back in.

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

Devilman Crybaby is extremely good actually

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
it was alright. extremely adequate.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
i expected it to be a lot better because there are a few yuasa things i'm really in love with but it was only ok to me. early eps were fun

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

DisDisDis posted:

it was alright. extremely adequate.
I appreciate the fact that the animation is on a different level than regular series.

The tonal shifts were really jarring and not having Devilman'd before I was surprised at the ending. Its very in line with those 80s OVAs that we all used to come across.

The animators really had fun working on parabolic breast mechanics, as well.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
they did the early schlocky devilman bits well but as it went on I liked it a lot less (though there were some good bits in the back half)

and ryo's design was a huge downgrade

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

DisDisDis posted:

and ryo's design was a huge downgrade
Extremely this

Giving him a dick, balls and c cups by the end was great tho

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i didn't really care for devilman crybaby that much but i don't think i'd really like devilman that much in general to begin with

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Expect My Mom posted:

Extremely this

Giving him a dick, balls and c cups by the end was great tho

yuasa would never not draw the dick. a true patriot and ally

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
every fanartist that didnt give devilman satan a dick and balls needs to be fined and serve community service

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

meanwhile, every fanartist that did give satan a dick and boobs was run off of tumblr for intersex discrimination

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
actually, it was for (literally) demonizing trans women

Clitch
Feb 26, 2002

I lived through
Donald Trump's presidency
and all I got was
this lousy virus
I wish I'd watched Devilman Crybaby through episode 5, and then had the ending spoiled for me, so I wouldn't have bothered with the rest. I was on board with an acid-soaked metaphorical contemplation of teenage sexual angst, but then it tripped over the common anime invocation of religion/the occult to raise the stakes and fell face-first into nihilistic misery porn. Really everything from that scene in episode 9 until the end felt like a big middle finger to the audience, no matter how many wings, tits, and dicks they drew on Bishie Satan.

I like weird, and artists reaching for something, even if it's beyond their grasp, but I just plain hated that anime after it was over.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
the ending is one of the best parts of devilman. can't remember how i feel about the relative merits of baby's take versus the 70's manga though.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good
The last few episodes of Crybaby were about how vain and purposeless it is to hold your feeling of being human above continuing to survive, but also that that's the most human thing you can do. I would consider it misery porn if Miki et al weren't clearly represented as being correct, but that's not the case. They tried as hard as they could, even beyond the point of rationality, and it just didn't work out. Even then, the ending is optimistic and shows that life goes on even in the face of apocalyptic collapse. I really don't consider it misery porn at all.

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...

DisDisDis posted:

the ending is one of the best parts of devilman. can't remember how i feel about the relative merits of baby's take versus the 70's manga though.
There were two different takes on the fate of Miki's family that I thought were equally devastating. How humanity eventually screwed itself over was pretty much the same. And Crybaby went into more detail on the giant war before god decided to reset eveything.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

I got what the Crybaby ending was going for and I basically, like, respect it, but I just personally don't really care for endings where our actual protagonists don't really find any peace or catharsis, and I would certainly say that of Crybaby. Can't speak to any other Devilman stuff.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good
I do think that it's a bit more reactionary towards other anime than it is a personal declaration, if that makes any sense. As in, in most anime you take the apparently fruitless optimism and humanity of the protagonists as a foregone conclusion. Of course they're right, of course they'll be proven to be right in the end, yadda yadda yadda. Crybaby seems more focused on showing the other side of that, that just as often (if not more so) that optimism and humanity is punished just as severely as you'd expect it to be. It is a little bit weak-willed in hindsight, but in the moment my heart was captured completely.

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...
I, personally, cannot get enough of that ending, probably because I haven't encountered it too often in my consumption of media

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Spiritus Nox posted:

I got what the Crybaby ending was going for and I basically, like, respect it, but I just personally don't really care for endings where our actual protagonists don't really find any peace or catharsis, and I would certainly say that of Crybaby. Can't speak to any other Devilman stuff.

everyone dies in OG devilman but without any of the passing of the baton poo poo. kinda like og ending more but i don't know that i dislike the baton stuff. overall i don't know why i don't like crybaby much in hindsight but i definitely don't so

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
It brought all the gays on this forum together to yell at that weird guy from D&D in the thread, which is a lot like how all the gays in Devilman Crybaby come together to pass the baton to each other

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

i like the crybaby ending because the death doesn't matter, the baton they passed among themselves has gone even further to a new start for everyone. having an optimistic read of the show seems to be not as common, but that just seems weird to me given it's a yuasa show

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Latest Release the Spyce starting to channel more from the Yuki Yuna side of it's team and not happy about it

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Coaaab posted:

There were two different takes on the fate of Miki's family that I thought were equally devastating. How humanity eventually screwed itself over was pretty much the same. And Crybaby went into more detail on the giant war before god decided to reset eveything.

One of the biggest differences unmentioned so far is about Akira. In other versions, he basically abandons mankind.

In Crybaby, however, he picks up the baton. Despite everything, he still fights for the future of humanity, believes there's good in the world. What he loses (and why he loses) is his previous superhuman empathy, the ability to forgive the unforgivable and love the unlovable. Before Miki's death, Akira stopped a stoning and for a brief moment, drove back the mob violence and remakes a small slice of the world in both of their image, showing that even people at their worst can be redeemed.

But then Miki dies, and he loses that. He can't cry any more, can't forgive Ryo, and can't stop things from ending in bloodshed and oblivion. To go all Russian novel, he falls from being Sofya Semyonovna Marmeladova to merely Porfiry Petrovich. Still virtuous, but unable to challenge the inherit nature of the world.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Coaaab posted:

I, personally, cannot get enough of that ending, probably because I haven't encountered it too often in my consumption of media
See here I thought everyone in America was forced to read a Cormack McCarthy or Steinbeck book at some point during high school.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

SatoshiMiwa posted:

Latest Release the Spyce starting to channel more from the Yuki Yuna side of it's team and not happy about it

i've been enjoying seeing what hosed up thing they can spend 5 minutes an ep on before going back to the same moe antics

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Clitch posted:

it tripped over the common anime invocation of religion/the occult to raise the stakes
its literally called devilman

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Terrible Opinions posted:

See here I thought everyone in America was forced to read a Cormack McCarthy or Steinbeck book at some point during high school.

While it's not one of his more popular novels, Steinbeck's The Winter of our Discontent was pretty excellent, and the ending is kind of an interesting mix of both kinds of endings, / being open ended enough that you don't know if the protagonist is going to be able to survive and/or turn his life back around, but it's an interesting mix of optimism, desperation, hope, and doubt.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

Endorph posted:

its literally called devilman
lol I didnt see that sentence

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

Anime needs to invoke the occult more.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Sharkopath posted:

Anime needs to invoke the occult more.

play shadow hearts

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