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HappyHippo posted:Worth noting that three more red states (Idaho, Nebraska and Utah) expanded Medicaid last week. Also with LePage out in Maine he can't stonewall their expansion anymore. Yep--and that should be a clue for establishment Dems that red-state voters can be swayed on "leftist" issues when they perceive genuine beneficence coming from such policies.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I am so loving happy LePage is gone. I'm really glad he didn't manage to somehow block ranked choice voting either, though I know his odds of succeeding were always terrible. it looks like ME-02 is now favored to go blue when the second/third choices are redistributed, since all the third party candidates openly said they supported Golden as the next best alternative (the margin is about 2000 votes between Poliquin and Golden, and there are ~24k third party voters, so Golden doesn't have to win them by much) eke out fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Yep--and that should be a clue for establishment Dems that red-state voters can be swayed on "leftist" issues when they perceive genuine beneficence coming from such policies. Maybe the actual indication is that the path to medicaid expansion in red states is ballot initiatives
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qkkl posted:he'll start a civil war where he can then be defeated. Would I have to put my latte down to to fight in this war? Also, would I have to fight? Like, with a gun of some kind?
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Mooseontheloose posted:I am so loving happy LePage is gone. to florida!
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corn in the bible posted:Maybe the actual indication is that the path to medicaid expansion in red states is ballot initiatives Same for minimum wage hikes
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Probably the best time it could have been passed was during Carter's presidency, except Carter and Congress got caught in a dickwaving contest over how much it would cost and then Reagan happened. Carter doesn’t get enough poo poo for how bad of a President he was. He’s a nice old man and I mad respect his charity work but he was a poo poo President. Deregulation started under him. 
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corn in the bible posted:Maybe the actual indication is that the path to medicaid expansion in red states is ballot initiatives A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Same for minimum wage hikes unfortunately most red states in the south don't have ballot initiatives, and only a couple have citizen-led constitutional amendments as an option (like Florida) but that's a higher bar to clear 
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Zwabu posted:https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/09/politics/2018-democrats-midterms/index.html The problem with Chris Cillizza isn't that he's disagreeable, it's that his "analysis" is the absolute bare minimum to say you are kind of doing your job so you can stay in a position drivel. It's always the most absolute bleedingly loving obvious to even the dumbest most ignorant poo poo in the world "journalism". If you have even a fraction of a brain you can figure out just about anything he's tasked to "analyze" for yourself and probably a few more things on top of it in short order just by looking at the world around you for a few seconds. He's just the most useless and lazy loving pundit I've literally ever seen color commentary or otherwise.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:to florida! My hope is that he runs afoul of the law in Florida and finds that being "a governor of another state" means nothing there.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Time to check in on The Donald and see how they are handling things
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eke out posted:unfortunately most red states in the south don't have ballot initiatives, and only a couple have citizen-led constitutional amendments as an option (like Florida) but that's a higher bar to clear Reminder that propositions can be used to pass lovely policy just as easily. Prop 13 has ruined the tax base in California for decades and Prop 8 stripped away the marriage rights of gay people, plus a ton of other garbage I'm probably forgetting.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Reminder that propositions can be used to pass lovely policy just as easily. Prop 13 has ruined the tax base in California for decades and Prop 8 stripped away the marriage rights of gay people, plus a ton of other garbage I'm probably forgetting. yeah we just passed a ton of dumb constitutional amendments (and like two Very Good ones) and those require 60% majorities. I can't even imagine how many bad Florida laws would happen if you had 50%-required ballot initiatives - we'd probably have legal weed but like, end every tax that currently funds public schools also.
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NoDamage posted:So, like, how much of this is from real people vs bots/trolls/shills? Because I mean, complaining that "we have lost our voting rights" because they want to finish counting all the ballots seems like an especially wacky train of thought for a normal person to have... these are the people who see alex jones ripping off a donkey mask to reveal the lizard mask beneath and think that he must be a reliable source. they aren't normal people anymore, and they never really cared about logic or reason, just their own feelings.
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eke out posted:yeah we just passed a ton of dumb constitutional amendments (and like two Very Good ones) and those require 60% majorities. I can't even imagine how many bad Florida laws would happen if you had 50%-required ballot initiatives - we'd probably have legal weed but like, end every tax that currently funds public schools also. It used to be 50%. The initiative to raise it to 60% got like 55% which is kind of funny. I voted for it way back when.
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eke out posted:yeah we just passed a ton of dumb constitutional amendments (and like two Very Good ones) and those require 60% majorities. I can't even imagine how many bad Florida laws would happen if you had 50%-required ballot initiatives - we'd probably have legal weed but like, end every tax that currently funds public schools also. Taxing weed as an intoxicant funds more than you would believe, don't be dense. Look at Colorado?
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KickerOfMice posted:Taxing weed an an intoxicant funds more than you would believe, don't be dense. Look at Colorado? Ending every local property tax for public schools and instead tying their funding to how much legal drugs we can sell WOULD be a very Florida thing to do
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No loving way, I was driving down Fairfax County Parkway and I saw Scott Pressler with his "I support trump" sign on his back biking along the road. I thought he lived somewhere else? Or is he taking his Chud grift national? Please let it be that he doesn't live in Virginia....
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eke out posted:Ending every local property tax for public schools and instead tying their funding to how much legal drugs we can sell WOULD be a very Florida thing to do Wouldn't be the first time schools were funded by a bake sale
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friendbot2000 posted:No loving way, I was driving down Fairfax County Parkway and I saw Scott Pressler with his "I support trump" sign on his back biking along the road. I thought he lived somewhere else? Or is he taking his Chud grift national? Please let it be that he doesn't live in Virginia.... If you drove like the average Virginian in that moment, he wouldn't be. 
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corn in the bible posted:Wouldn't be the first time schools were funded by a bake sale Heh. 
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Sundae posted:If you drove like the average Virginian in that moment, he wouldn't be. I smell someone from Maryland. And nothing good comes out of Maryland. :p
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eke out posted:Ending every local property tax for public schools and instead tying their funding to how much legal drugs we can sell WOULD be a very Florida thing to do Oh I don't doubt it. The state's other export is sugar and, wait tourism's an import.
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Not sure where Gillum thinks he has a chance. Nelson is completely relying on the hope that the systematic undervote was a machine error. But that doesn’t benefit Gillum and he’s also down by a lot more.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Not sure where Gillum thinks he has a chance. Nelson is completely relying on the hope that the systematic undervote was a machine error. But that doesn’t benefit Gillum and he’s also down by a lot more. him doing this is a good thing whether he has a chance or not IMO
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corn in the bible posted:Maybe the actual indication is that the path to medicaid expansion in red states is ballot initiatives That's one of the indications, in states in which ballot initiatives aren't advisory-only. But the overarching indication in states that voted red for governor but also voted for expanded Medicaid is that single-payer programs and proposals are far more popular among voters than establishment Dems want to admit.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This is an extremely lazy "dems bad" response and you know it. It may be "lazy", but it's not wrong, and the fact that it's "dems bad" doesn't mean you can just handwave it away. The fact of the matter is that the Dems controlled Congress for most of the second half of the 20th century, at times reaching supermajority levels (not just 60 votes, but 66+ votes for an actual 2/3rds-supermajority). I count at least eleven Congressional terms since WWII where the Dems controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The reason we don't have a public option, more than six decades after the first bill suggesting one was written, is because the Democrats have failed to rally behind one.
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Some dems have wanted public healthcare in the US, but not enough. None republicans have. Some dems bad is closer to the truth. Unfortunately it's a critical mass of them.
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I know Charlie Kirk has severe brain damage, but I'm preeeeeetttty sure that other Asian women have been in Congress before (checks notes) 2018?
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TulliusCicero posted:I know Charlie Kirk has severe brain damage, but I'm preeeeeetttty sure that other Asian women have been in Congress before (checks notes) 2018? I'll take Senator Hirono for 300
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 seeing some pictures/reports on the cali fires and holy poo poo
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TulliusCicero posted:I know Charlie Kirk has severe brain damage, but I'm preeeeeetttty sure that other Asian women have been in Congress before (checks notes) 2018? Yeah but this one has both her legs.
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Motto posted:
Post-apocalyptic, eh? Whoever said this looks like something from "The Road" was right.
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Main Paineframe posted:It may be "lazy", but it's not wrong, and the fact that it's "dems bad" doesn't mean you can just handwave it away. The fact of the matter is that the Dems controlled Congress for most of the second half of the 20th century, at times reaching supermajority levels (not just 60 votes, but 66+ votes for an actual 2/3rds-supermajority). I count at least eleven Congressional terms since WWII where the Dems controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. The reason we don't have a public option, more than six decades after the first bill suggesting one was written, is because the Democrats have failed to rally behind one. I don't disagree that the Democratic Party failed, because they absolutely did (With the exception of Lyndon Johnson, and even he could have done far more if not for Vietnam). My contention is the argument that it didn't pass because "They" didn't want it enough, when the truth is that many Democrats did want it, and made their entire careers a fight to achieve it, but failed due to external opposition and the internal makeup of the party (loving Dixiecrats!  ) basically I demand nuance in my internet slapfights
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TulliusCicero posted:I know Charlie Kirk has severe brain damage, but I'm preeeeeetttty sure that other Asian women have been in Congress before (checks notes) 2018? she'd be the first korean-american woman, but yeah charlie's obviously an idiot lol
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