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Not a Step posted:No, its the candidates fault for sucking rear end. Run better candidates.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:yeah, I'm hoping for both A) infinite investigations into the multitudinous crimes of the administration in general and Donald in particular and B) quixotic passing of good bills to force the Senate to go on record against Medicare for All / living wage / voting rights act mk2 / legal weed I mean now is the chance, why not ask high and see what, if anything the Republicans might be willing to negotiate on.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:09
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Pander posted:Uh, yeah. There's almost certainly less corruption in voting these days. It gets harder with greater technological safeguards and expectations. Not to say it's not rife with problems still, but my god there's a reason people joke about the dead voting. No no I mean the President going on TV and saying that there's massive voter fraud occurring and senators / governors also going along with it saying there's a massive conspiracy to rig elections. That sort of speech delegitimizes the entire process and they're playing with fire by hammering on it.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:09
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Tibalt posted:Naw man, refusing to pull the lever is effectively the same as murdering those five people directly. You don't get an avoid taking responsibility for your actions just because someone else set up a lovely situation. The guy tying people to tracks and setting up twisted scenarios is pretty culpable here. Like, Im pretty sure a jury would give me manslaughter at most, probably with a suspended sentence, but I think Jigsaw would go away for life. Jigsaw being the Democratic Party, who feels confidant in pushing poo poo corporate candidates because they have a permanent hostage crisis
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Nov 11, 2018 06:12
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Nov 11, 2018 06:13
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Not a Step posted:The guy tying people to tracks and setting up twisted scenarios is pretty culpable here. Like, Im pretty sure a jury would give me manslaughter at most, probably with a suspended sentence, but I think Jigsaw would go away for life. What?
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Nov 11, 2018 06:14
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Tibalt posted:Naw man, refusing to pull the lever on the track is effectively the same as murdering those five people directly. You don't get an avoid taking responsibility for your actions just because someone else set up a lovely situation. This isn't how Democracy works and the fact that you think it is is a huge indictment of America's failure to implement it
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Nov 11, 2018 06:16
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I could actually maybe see legal weed squeaking through, but I don't know Mcconnell's personal opinion on the topic it would be hilarious to see it discharge petitioned by GOP senators from weedliker states (incidentally another example of why as thin a Senate majority as possible is good)
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Nov 11, 2018 06:19
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I could actually maybe see legal weed squeaking through, but I don't know Mcconnell's personal opinion on the topic Kentucky is a massive illicit weed farm.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:21
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Nov 11, 2018 06:22
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drilldo squirt posted:What? Dude attempted to equate blaming the candidate for being poo poo instead of the voter to refusing to pull the lever in the classic trolley ethical dilemma, tacitly admitting both parties are murderous and inhumane. I countered with 'perhaps whoever is tying people to tracks to set up dumbass trolley problems would be at fault'.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:27
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Tibalt posted:Naw man, refusing to pull the lever on the track is effectively the same as murdering those five people directly. You don't get an avoid taking responsibility for your actions just because someone else set up a lovely situation. To take your stupid analogy to it's logical conclusion: you're pissed at the people trying to decide whether to pull the lever, and completely ignoring the assholes who put the people on the tracks in the first place.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:28
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Chilichimp posted:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:For anyone who still think demographics are destiny for the democrats, I would like them to meet the new rep for CA-39 (Orange County), the first korean american woman in congresss who is 100% trumpist. I think Charlie Kirk may read this thread.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:28
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Ague Proof posted:They don't have to pretend to tell the truth any more. They will even choose to believe things they know are stupid if they think it will piss you off. I enjoy that the entire crux of her case that there's something fishy going on is that she gave a celebration speech and went to bed thinking she had won, so it must be unfair if that wasn't true. Like, neither of them even tried to make an argument that there was something questionable about the votes. Just "Everyone said I won so it doesn't seem fair to change your mind."
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Nov 11, 2018 06:29
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Republicans gaslighting by insisting that counting absentee ballots is voter fraud is the current "republicans will say this even if they don't believe it just to piss of the libs". Urban areas favor democrats, which in turn have their polling locations reduced by republicans, which creates long lines on election day. This leads to democrats outperforming in both early and absentee voting, because people wish to avoid standing in lines for 3-4 hours just to vote. Here we are, huge wave election for democrats, and enthusiasm is through the roof... but a lot of close, lean R elections get called for the Republican on election day by outlets eager to settle questions in their election day coverage. But these races were close, and as the polls close and those polling numbers are sent to the state... then the hand-counting of absentee ballots begins. Literally 10's of thousands for each urban district, because people DO NOT WANT TO STAND IN LINE FOR 4 HOURS ON ELECTION DAY. As that counting continues, the vote totals narrow, and cynical republican hacks who completely understand the system start claiming fraud and demanding that the counting stop, because they're ahead... knowing full well that if the counting continues, they might lose. Again. They do not believe there is fraud. They know the demographics of these urban centers and know that they stand a serious chance of losing if all ballots are counted. They're claiming fraud as a pretext to prevent that. ... and the chuds and bot army lap that poo poo up, son. Rick Scott just tweeted about his 7500 strong recount army that will ensure there is no fraud... because he has unleashed a beast he cannot control. There are hundreds of people picketing outside of Broward county election offices. In that tweet, Scott set the stage for him to declare there was no fraud when he loses, because his army of recounters couldn't have screwed up, or to say they saved Florida from the wicked democrats if he wins. He's trying to put pandora back in the box, but Scott... SCOTT... You can't put that bitch back in. She's all over the place now and that's on you, brother. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Nov 11, 2018 06:29
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I could actually maybe see legal weed squeaking through, but I don't know Mcconnell's personal opinion on the topic I think there's too much Pharma, Tobacco and Alcohol money in Washington for something like this to pass with broad Republican support.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:35
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man if the Democrats actually pull a senate seat out of Florida in the recount the FBI is going to need to go on high alert. The chuds would absolutely flip their lids over this.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:35
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STAC Goat posted:I enjoy that the entire crux of her case that there's something fishy going on is that she gave a celebration speech and went to bed thinking she had won, so it must be unfair if that wasn't true. I really think we need to start getting ready for elections not being settled in a single night. The last fifty years of televised election returns have really spoiled the country.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:36
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Starsfan posted:man if the Democrats actually pull a senate seat out of Florida in the recount the FBI is going to need to go on high alert. The chuds would absolutely flip their lids over this. also Rick Scott will snap and try to Avada Kedavra Nelson
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Nov 11, 2018 06:37
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Phi230 posted:This isn't how Democracy works and the fact that you think it is is a huge indictment of America's failure to implement it You're absolutely right. America is currently in the grips of a full-blown fascist meltdown and we're slipping into authoritarianism. You vote against that. You don't need more reasons to vote against that. America is hosed up and your electoral decisions are not normal right now.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:41
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Ego-bot posted:I think there's too much Pharma, Tobacco and Alcohol money in Washington for something like this to pass with broad Republican support.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:41
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I could actually maybe see legal weed squeaking through, but I don't know Mcconnell's personal opinion on the topic As I recall, much of his early political success stems from openly courting the tobacco industry for $$$ that he used to outspend his opponents 10 to 1. I think he's bought and paid for and no weed bill is ever going to hit the Senate floor.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:43
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Tibalt posted:
Uh, Henry Clay was elected Speaker of the House as a first term representative and he quickly became the most influential legislator in this country between 1789 and 1860.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:44
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:The #2 Democrat in the House is on tape saying that of course the Democrats rig their own primaries in favor of people the establishment likes. Nancy Pelosi herself is on record defending that statement. The DNC has literally argued in court that they're entitled to rig their own primaries and under no obligation to anyone to hold a fair process at all. This isn't Republican smears: this is straight from the mouths of Democratic leaders. Your fantasy world where people vote their conscience in the primaries, and vote for the Democrat in the general, and in that way achieve positive change, is a loving farce and the leaders of the Democratic party have already made absolutely sure that that strategy, taken on its own, can never meaningfully change the Democratic party or make it a threat to its donors. It is a rigged game. The assholes putting people on the tracks are Republicans. Vote against them please.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:45
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STAC Goat posted:I enjoy that the entire crux of her case that there's something fishy going on is that she gave a celebration speech and went to bed thinking she had won, so it must be unfair if that wasn't true. Ague Proof posted:They don't have to pretend to tell the truth any more. They will even choose to believe things they know are stupid if they think it will piss you off.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:47
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Chilichimp posted:You're absolutely right. America is currently in the grips of a full-blown fascist meltdown and we're slipping into authoritarianism. The other side currently represents a slower slide into fascism and corporate fuedalism, not a reversal of course. Feeling completely disenfranchised and not wanting to participate is a completely normal reaction to the current clusterfuck.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:47
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I also do not believe the claim of "Democrats are on record of defending rigging their primaries" is 100% true and not another example of taking words out of context or overly negative interpretation.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:49
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Chilichimp posted:The assholes putting people on the tracks are Republicans. Vote against them please. (Also, you're wrong - the Republicans are the ones driving the trolley.)
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Nov 11, 2018 06:50
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Legal weed has a chance to make it through the Senate. Don't the states that have legal weed have some Republican Senators?
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Nov 11, 2018 06:50
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Raenir Salazar posted:I also do not believe the claim of "Democrats are on record of defending rigging their primaries" is 100% true and not another example of taking words out of context or overly negative interpretation. That’s because it isn’t true, and a willful misinterpretation meant to justify inaction.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:51
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Hollismason posted:Legal weed has a chance to make it through the Senate. Don't the states that have legal weed have some Republican Senators? I think it's a legitimate issue for those Republican senators or other Republicans that maybe it harms their evangelical support base which are probably absolutely against "the devil's weed". Also legalizing weed removes a tool from law enforcement to target african americans which is also something they might not like even if their states legalized it.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:52
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Not a Step posted:No, its the candidates fault for sucking rear end. Run better candidates. grade A privileged bullshit liberal smugness right here folks
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Nov 11, 2018 06:52
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Ossoff was bad, sorry libs.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:53
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Raenir Salazar posted:I also do not believe the claim of "Democrats are on record of defending rigging their primaries" is 100% true and not another example of taking words out of context or overly negative interpretation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgPyKt-ysY
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Nov 11, 2018 06:54
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Raenir Salazar posted:I also do not believe the claim of "Democrats are on record of defending rigging their primaries" is 100% true and not another example of taking words out of context or overly negative interpretation. https://theintercept.com/2018/04/26/steny-hoyer-audio-levi-tillemann/ quote:In a frank and wide-ranging conversation, Hoyer laid down the law for Tillemann. The decision, Tillemann was told, had been made long ago. It wasn’t personal, Hoyer insisted, and there was nothing uniquely unfair being done to Tillemann, he explained: This is how the party does it everywhere. quote:Shortly into the hearing, DNC attorneys claim Article V, Section 4 of the DNC Charter—stipulating that the DNC chair and their staff must ensure neutrality in the Democratic presidential primaries—is “a discretionary rule that it didn’t need to adopt to begin with.” Based on this assumption, DNC attorneys assert that the court cannot interpret, claim, or rule on anything associated with whether the DNC remains neutral in their presidential primaries. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/26/nancy-pelosi-steny-hoyer-recordings-555935 quote:“I don’t see anything inappropriate in what Mr. Hoyer was engaged in conversation about,” Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference. “If the realities of life is that some candidates can do better in the general than others, then that’s a clear-eyed conversation that we should be having.” Your Boy Fancy posted:That’s because it isn’t true, and a willful misinterpretation meant to justify inaction. e: like that was some seriously bad faith posting and you should gently caress yourself MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Nov 11, 2018 06:56
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I do. My point is that your anger is misplaced, and more importantly futile. My anger isn't misplaced. I'm angry at fascists and I want my anti-fascist bros to help me turn it around. When someone says "no, gently caress you, these guys aren't nearly socialist enough"... I get a little, necessarily, fuckin' angry about that. You're not saying that, so I'm not talking about you. Democrats are not the fascists. They're insufferable decorum liberals at times, but that's better than gaslighting lunatics who want to cynically ignore customs and norms so they can put brown people into camps in the desert. Also, it's a trick trolly problem, the republicans are the ones who tied the folks up on the track and they're driving the train. You're actually not the one holding the lever, you're also tied up on the track and it's the democrats who have to pull the lever.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:58
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https://twitter.com/lis_smith/status/1061321848762392578
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Charlz Guybon posted:Uh, Henry Clay was elected Speaker of the House as a first term representative and he quickly became the most influential legislator in this country between 1789 and 1860. It's so weird that Congress couldn't find someone who had served at least one term already back in 1789.
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Nov 11, 2018 06:58
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Chilichimp posted:The assholes putting people on the tracks are Republicans. Vote against them please. The republicans are putting people on the republicans track, but the only way this analogy applies is if democrats are putting fewer people, but still putting people, on the democrats track.
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Nonsense posted:Ossoff was bad, sorry libs. Agreed, but he was lightyears better than Karen loving Handel.
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