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So it's Armistice Day for everyone else involved in World War I. It's Veteran's Day in US Politics, because of course it is. Like others have posted, this is some Weimar Germany poo poo going on in this debate. Despite being days removed from a blue wave, steps toward a national focus on how our voting system is in desperate need of reform and our dear president continuing to be his perpetual shitbag self, the thread is talking about...voting for Democrats is bad? This is the culture now. This is America now. Unless it's in a small, street-level, below-the-gears-of-power style reform, there is no major faction of US Politics that is actually interested in bringing the whole country together. Republicans, obviously, lol, they're impossible to work with. You can't aid and abet their bullshit, you can't compromise with their leadership, and they're only interested in exercising power for power's sake. The Democrats are still such a wide-ranging multitude of ideals and conflicting interests that they can't be fully leftist, fully supporting of the working class, nor can they be fully corporate, fully warmongering. They're a mess, because the right is a monolith and the center is, well, the center. What I've seen work for the left and with the left is just going out and improving people's lives. It doesn't require donations with multiple commas. It doesn't require huge levers of power. The labor movement never had any of those for the first half century of its formation in America. They got killed and their houses burned. But they kept on fighting below the surface, and it brought a better life to those who stood fast with it. DSA folks don't even have THAT impediment, and they're winning elections. They're toppling giants. And on the ground, they're changing lives by fighting against poo poo landlords, doing tail light fixing drives to save people from insane police forces, and educating people as to how a better life is not only possible, but tangible. Sitting there and saying "gently caress the Dems, Dems bad" in all its various forms doesn't build power. Insisting that your most convertible fellow travelers are in fact your enemies doesn't build power. You wanna build power? Help somebody for gently caress's sake. And there's threads for that in this forum and others. poo poo, you're like five clicks away from getting a monthly list of all the places and ways you can get outside and be of use in the cause you claim to support. But in the meanwhile, the usual suspects are going to talk about how voting isn't going to save you from fascism - and you're right! Voting ALONE doesn't save you from fascism, but boy oh boy, it's one of the easier effort-to-effectiveness ratios to get people moving, you know? Like, say you're trying to get in shape and the first ten people you meet tell you to get into a god damned crossfit program and you destroy your back in a week and they call you a pussy and a quitter when you try to start there. That's a nonzero amount of leftist thought - forsake all you held dear about American thought and follow me immediately, or you're just another centrist swine and you can gently caress off. You get in shape by starting with what your body and mind can handle. You Couch-to-5K it, or you do that progressive pushup and situp regimen over a few months. And a few years later, you're nowhere near where you were, but you're capable of doing more than you ever thought possible. It's tremendously irritating, because the left is shifting the Overton window successfully in our generation over the course of this decade. Have you taken all the levers of power? No. But have you already gotten voices into the halls of power? Good lord, yes. And while the left and center squabble of how to do it The Right Way, the Republicans are still trudging along and winning all the wars. Only way we're going to win is to get together, and inevitably, some prick is going to yell "You first." And off we'll go again. A hundred years ago today, we managed to stop turning entire generations into loving hamburger. And because we learned nothing from it, we did it again a decade later. Maybe with this stupid machinery full of all human knowledge and also porn and cats, you'd think we could use it to build something bigger than the street level. But maybe the street level is all it's good for. In which case, meet me out in the street. We've clearly got work to do. https://www.instagram.com/p/BqAJqRVnngk/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Your Boy Fancy fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Not a Step posted:Hmm. Yes. 'Trump good' is definitely a sentiment Ive expressed. I explained it, read the thread.
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Nov 11, 2018 18:44
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holy poo poo drop it already.
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Nov 11, 2018 18:45
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Petr posted:This guy on meet the press just said that this election entrenched the political situation and didn't change anything, and that moderate Democrats won out over progressive Democrats. It was David loving Brooks.
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Nov 11, 2018 18:47
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Terror Sweat posted:The new dems that are coming in are former cia and military, their jobs were literally to “-actively- kill POC and women”. Demographics have never been destiny, stop relying on this passive idea that things will get better in the future because the olds are dying off "The newly elected democrats will all continue a trained policy of targeted murder" is a little Dale Gribble. Oh that's terrorsweat.  Yeah, the infighting isn't helping, and no you can't spray my lawn. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Nov 11, 2018 18:47
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All I want out of this thread is a place to discuss the news as it happens from day to day, which seems to be the intended function of the thread given the title. But it seems to be failing to provide that function and I really don't like that because it means I've lost my primary news aggregator that I relied on for the last couple years of hell-world. I don't just want to use the script to read tweet posts. I want to talk about them and engage with others who are talking about them. If we're not separating the threads then some sort of "posts must be related to current events" law might help prevent the same six arguments from constantly repeating. Manchin-chat would only be allowed when manchin does something worth machin-chatting about, at least.
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Nov 11, 2018 18:48
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It is wild as hell watching Republican voter suppression en vivo, especially from afar in Europe. The blatant call not to count votes properly submitted in good faith is a pretty big step in the direction of making elections a sham. Escalating immediately (much less at all) to claims of massive fraud is even worse. I haven’t seen any news of violence surrounding the counts/recounts, but I’m not hopeful the peace will continue. Are there any thread people in those counties who can comment on the specifics in these races?
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Nov 11, 2018 18:49
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I've heard there's right wing protesters outside the office where they're counting ballots in Broward but it wasn't from a reliable source so I don't know if it's true. I shouldn't be surprised that Republicans are calling for political violence against vote counters (in the "will no one rid me of this meddlesome liberal" sort of way) but I'm really worried that someone's gonna answer that call if they keep making it and I don't know what we're going to do when they do. 
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Nov 11, 2018 18:57
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MickeyFinn posted:It is wild as hell watching Republican voter suppression en vivo, especially from afar in Europe. The blatant call not to count votes properly submitted in good faith is a pretty big step in the direction of making elections a sham. Escalating immediately (much less at all) to claims of massive fraud is even worse. I haven’t seen any news of violence surrounding the counts/recounts, but I’m not hopeful the peace will continue. Are there any thread people in those counties who can comment on the specifics in these races? Yeah it's really wild. The sheer amount of  you can find in US election systems is mind boggling.
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Nov 11, 2018 18:57
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Anyone who uses the word "rigging" without specifying what they mean sounds like a low info Fox news watcher. That could mean anything from "hacking voting machines" to " actually counting everyone who voted."
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Nov 11, 2018 18:58
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Andrast posted:Yeah it's really wild. The sheer amount of Turns out a system developed from scratch in the 1700s doesn’t translate so well to the modern age.
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Nov 11, 2018 18:58
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We need a voting reform amendment that ensures all citizens can vote at 18, and every vote is counted. It’s insane that the existing suffrage amendments don’t already get us there.
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Nov 11, 2018 19:01
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Lightning Knight posted:I did. And more importantly, why didn't you? A lot of lurker crew seems to want other people to put in all the effort for them re: following US news and politics. I am not a lawyer, a worker in a machine shop, logistics manager, software engineer, Texan, immigrant, cult survivor, hunter, LGBTQ, or any number of things. I’ve traveled to few places as compared to places that exist, and lived in fewer. When the tariffs came up, watching discussion of supply chain ramifications and discussion on trade and economics (since I had little to no economics instruction) was fascinating and useful. When new executive orders or administration policy happens, getting legal takes and folks directly impacted by discussing it, in a place that is more lefty than a lot of major media/opinion pages was great. And if the time comes when my areas of knowledge become more worthwhile to the discussion at hand, I’ll post more. Otherwise, I’m just some idiot with half formed ideas based on a likely poor understanding of the nuances of the topic at hand posting stupid bullshit. In the era we are in, there is so much going on that a group of people keeping each other up to date on current happens while contributing their knowledge (and not white noising just post) is really, really useful. I found USPol back in the day, and then Trump thread. I followed USPol for awhile after the split. There’s been no new ground on “Dems Bad” in terms of, “so how do we make things better” that isn’t just people edging the, “you can’t work in the system, you need to start killing people” line as close as they can.
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Nov 11, 2018 19:02
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Sure no one has killed an actual poll worker, but if you look at the rights behavior in the past few weeks, I don’t think peaceful is the proper word here. People are dying because of the rights propaganda even before the votes were cast and they could specifically say which races were “rigged”.
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Nov 11, 2018 19:02
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So it's Armistice Day for everyone else involved in World War I. It's Veteran's Day in US Politics, because of course it is. This post is more or less how I feel. It's pretty eye opening how 'dems bad' folk never provide an alternative aside from normalizing trump. They just prefer to whine and complain with a nice finale of nothing mattersism. If I want to hear that, I'd just give my grandma a call for an hour or so. It's fine to complain but if that's all you bring to the table, then you're a part of the problem. I prefer actually doing something about it like actually voting, outreach, etc. If we fail then we get up and try again.
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Jealous Cow posted:We need a voting reform amendment that ensures all citizens can vote at 18, and every vote is counted. Well the VRA was gutted a few years back.
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Nov 11, 2018 19:03
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MickeyFinn posted:It is wild as hell watching Republican voter suppression en vivo, especially from afar in Europe. The blatant call not to count votes properly submitted in good faith is a pretty big step in the direction of making elections a sham. Escalating immediately (much less at all) to claims of massive fraud is even worse. I haven’t seen any news of violence surrounding the counts/recounts, but I’m not hopeful the peace will continue. Are there any thread people in those counties who can comment on the specifics in these races? One thing to keep in mind here: In (most of) the areas where this poo poo is happening, "democracy" in the one-person-one-vote sense is literally younger than space flight, because Jim Crow laws were in place until 1965 and humans first went into space in 1961. The level to which racism is driving this stuff cannot be overstated. Historically, the only successful coup against a legally elected local American government was conducted by racists to overthrow a nascent left-wing unity party. quote:The Wilmington insurrection of 1898, also known as the Wilmington massacre of 1898 or the Wilmington race riot of 1898, occurred in Wilmington, North Carolina on November 10, 1898. It is considered a turning point in post-Reconstruction North Carolina politics. The event initiated an era of more severe racial segregation and effective disenfranchisement of African Americans throughout the South, a shift already underway since passage by Mississippi of a new constitution in 1890, raising barriers to voter registration. Laura Edwards wrote in Democracy Betrayed (2000): "What happened in Wilmington became an affirmation of white supremacy not just in that one city, but in the South and in the nation as a whole", as it affirmed that invoking "whiteness" eclipsed the legal citizenship, individual rights, and equal protection under the law of blacks.[2][3][4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_insurrection_of_1898
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Nov 11, 2018 19:06
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Stexils posted:at least the 2020 FL elections should be nowhere near as close given the boatload of new voters Had the same thought. It would legit swing the state from purple to blue. Does anyone know how the policy is being implemented? If a R is in control of the executive, could they just slow walk the implementation into 2021 or beyond?
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Nov 11, 2018 19:07
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so whens trumps dumb speech at the meuse argonne cemetery? he gurgled on twitter he was gonna do it today.
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Nov 11, 2018 19:08
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ITS HAPPENING!!!! we just have to wait.
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Nov 11, 2018 19:09
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/thefakecarmona/status/1060558879828914177 drat bitchell, thats a really hot take you got there.
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Another big cause of all these accusations of stealing elections is kinda like the CSI effect.....the media has created an overconfidence in how quickly elections are decided, with projections made literally seconds after the polls close in a race to be the first to call races.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/575560/quote:Nancy pelosi really does not want to impeach Donald Trump—and she’s prepared to take all the heat from her party and from the new House Democratic majority she’s hoping to lead, unless she sees something wildly different emerge. I'm not sure how to interpret this because it seems to be all over the place. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Nov 11, 2018 19:11
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Dapper_Swindler posted:drat bitchell, thats a really hot take you got there. They are really bad at draining this whole swamp, I thought it would happen while they controlled everything...
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RuanGacho posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/575560/ "I'm not committing to anything before the Mueller report is done" is a reasonable stance.
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RuanGacho posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/575560/ That seems pretty reasonable to me, but give it 5 seconds and you'll get some opinions I'm sure.
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HelloSailorSign posted:In the era we are in, there is so much going on that a group of people keeping each other up to date on current happens while contributing their knowledge (and not white noising just post) is really, really useful. I found USPol back in the day, and then Trump thread. I followed USPol for awhile after the split. There’s been no new ground on “Dems Bad” in terms of, “so how do we make things better” that isn’t just people edging the, “you can’t work in the system, you need to start killing people” line as close as they can. There is now a current affairs/news thread. Enjoy: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3874117
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It’s probably better for the time being that Pelosi not take a hard stance on that yet since A) she is not officially Speaker again, and B) they won’t even get to take over for 2 months
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Party Plane Jones posted:There is now a current affairs/news thread. Enjoy: Thanks!
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So it's Armistice Day for everyone else involved in World War I. It's Veteran's Day in US Politics, because of course it is. Also going to agree with this post, which makes some of the points I tried to make earlier in a much more eloquent way. If your take based on Tuesday is "nothing changed for the better" than you're just either ignorant or arguing in bad faith. It's going to take time to really shift things in a positive direction, multiple elections over a period of years. It'll take sustained activism that whole time too. Throwing up hands now and simply giving up is exactly what we can't do, not now. You're 100% spot on here.
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Thalantos posted:Dems slowly slowly have made my life worse. If you do this with your post, the ridiculous nature of it becomes more apparent.
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RuanGacho posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/575560/ My interpretation is that she doesn't yet know what she's going to do. It will depend on the result of the investigations.
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RuanGacho posted:https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/575560/ Everything she’s saying is absolutely setting up impeachment - it’s just framing it as “we’re reluctantly carrying out our duty to protect the constitution in the face of extraordinary circumstances” instead of “gently caress Trump”. Framing it like a legal proceeding to counter Republican’s “witch hunt” narrative seems pretty savvy to me, especially given the complete farce of the last impeachment.
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Party Plane Jones posted:There is now a current affairs/news thread. Enjoy: On this note maybe instead of trying to fit discussion of everything into one thread, it would be better to have many short threads for every recent event. Would anybody here post in a thread just about the Florida recount? If a few people say yes I'll post one this afternoon.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:What I've seen work for the left and with the left is just going out and improving people's lives. It doesn't require donations with multiple commas. It doesn't require huge levers of power. The labor movement never had any of those for the first half century of its formation in America. They got killed and their houses burned. But they kept on fighting below the surface, and it brought a better life to those who stood fast with it. DSA folks don't even have THAT impediment, and they're winning elections. They're toppling giants. And on the ground, they're changing lives by fighting against poo poo landlords, doing tail light fixing drives to save people from insane police forces, and educating people as to how a better life is not only possible, but tangible. unfortunately, the bad days of labor suppression are coming back again. https://twitter.com/CalOrganize/status/1061345693296603136 thanks for effortposting instead of bragging about how you have banned half of the thread. it seems a bit odd to insist that the "Dems Bad" people are distinct from the DSA crowd. like, more than half of the people i've met in the DSA express "dems bad" views, many of them online, and distrust of the democratic party is one of the major motivators for almost everyone else. you are absolutely right that posting is not praxis, but the online left is not a distinct entity from the offline left, and it is possible to organize tenants and shitpost at the same time.
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They're just trying to keep the narrative from being that the dems were going to impeach no matter what if they got in. Obviously when the investigations uncover more stuff and evidence that will change. In the meantime expect a ton of hearings. Theres going to be a lot of those. Also we have to remember that we can't get trump removed from office even after impeaching him, the republicans won't go along unless we find something really damning.
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Squalid posted:On this note maybe instead of trying to fit discussion of everything into one thread, it would be better to have many short threads for every recent event. Would anybody here post in a thread just about the Florida recount? If a few people say yes I'll post one this afternoon. There's the Florida politics thread but it doesn't seem to get much traffic right now. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3873584 I'd definitely read/post in a thread dedicated to the recount.
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