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therobit posted:In SE portland, a lot of houses were built without prior to it being a given that people would own a car. In more recently built neighborhoods, a ton of people don't use them for cars because it doesn't snow much here. The city also relaxed a code requirement that new buildings (expensive non affordable ones generally) don’t need to build garages, iirc
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Most of Boston having a garage is pretty uncommon because it wasn't a thing. You basically have to get something built recently, or on a plot with the space to add one. If you are lucky you get an off-street spot in a driveway or something; otherwise it's street parking.
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Nov 11, 2018 19:58
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a cyberpunk goose posted:The city also relaxed a code requirement that new buildings (expensive non affordable ones generally) don’t need to build garages, iirc Yes, basically anything under 35 units. So we are in the middle of a housing crisis and all the apartment buildings going in are under 35 units.
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Nov 11, 2018 20:20
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This is the problem when you go a decade with massive growth year-after-year. We need more regular market corrections to bring each generation up to speed on the realities. Or not, I'll just wait for the next huge crash that gets pent up and buy more.
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Nov 11, 2018 20:46
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therobit posted:Yes, basically anything under 35 units. So we are in the middle of a housing crisis and all the apartment buildings going in are under 35 units. Hot take, there are some places where apartments will simply never be affordable no matter what city planners say without very significant increases in real wages or a very significant decrease in housing prices. There is no question that many planning requirements, particularly those involving parking, green space, and setbacks very significantly decrease the affordability of housing, but in a lot of places apartments are like 300 or 500% away from most operational definitions of affordable and not like 30 or 50%.
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I just think they should require those things at any size of development and stop allowing waivers to the ratio of affordable units requirement so that we stop incentivizing smaller buildings.
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Nov 11, 2018 20:59
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bash everything down and build 50 story concrete soulless apartment blocks on the remains unironically
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TraderStav posted:This is the problem when you go a decade with massive growth year-after-year. We need more regular market corrections to bring each generation up to speed on the realities. same but with housing and also even moreso
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bob dobbs is dead posted:bash everything down and build 50 story concrete soulless apartment blocks on the remains Then you will have vacant $1000/sqft units in 50 story soulless apartment blocks, unless you also want to seize the land for free and require real estate developers and construction workers to work for free. Look at NYC, there is no such thing as an affordable skyscraper when the land that it is sitting on costs a billion dollars unless it is a subsidized housing project or the city requires the developer to build a back entrance and put 15% of the units below market as part of a planning deal
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therobit posted:Yes, basically anything under 35 units. So we are in the middle of a housing crisis and all the apartment buildings going in are under 35 units. Also they aren't building anything period on account of Inclusionary Housing. Oops!
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I've never heard of garages as a regional trend, heh. Are you saying that like... Houses werent built with garages here, or that people use them as storage instead of car parking because of the mild weather? BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:Then you will have vacant $1000/sqft units in 50 story soulless apartment blocks, unless you also want to seize the land for free and require real estate developers and construction workers to work for free. Look at NYC, there is no such thing as an affordable skyscraper when the land that it is sitting on costs a billion dollars unless it is a subsidized housing project or the city requires the developer to build a back entrance and put 15% of the units below market as part of a planning deal
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:Then you will have vacant $1000/sqft units in 50 story soulless apartment blocks, unless you also want to seize the land for free and require real estate developers and construction workers to work for free. Look at NYC, there is no such thing as an affordable skyscraper when the land that it is sitting on costs a billion dollars unless it is a subsidized housing project or the city requires the developer to build a back entrance and put 15% of the units below market as part of a planning deal https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/19/upshot/forty-percent-of-manhattans-buildings-could-not-be-built-today.html
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bob dobbs is dead posted:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/19/upshot/forty-percent-of-manhattans-buildings-could-not-be-built-today.html I totally agree that many building codes and planning requirements make it much more difficult to build affordable housing by requiring expensive luxuries like ground level and aerial setbacks, parking, and green space that cut square footage. Worse yet many aspects of it are weaponized NIMBYism.
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Nov 11, 2018 22:34
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Give it a couple of years, the market will correct itself. I'm the bubble disguised as a recovery.
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Buying property outside of a recession is BWM.
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:I totally agree that many building codes and planning requirements make it much more difficult to build affordable housing by requiring expensive luxuries like ground level and aerial setbacks, parking, and green space that cut square footage. Worse yet many aspects of it are weaponized NIMBYism. Legislation requiring affordable housing causes a shortage of normal and affordable housing. Tax incentives good*, legal requirements bad. *less bad
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housing is a human right
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The answer is yes, the city should seize the land and turn it into subsidized housing, but this is really a discussion for another thread.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:housing is a human right
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Let people build, a developer always thinks they are the smartest person in the room and you’ll get cheaper housing prices if you just let them overbuild in good times.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:housing is a human right I don't know what this expression means exactly, but we should all give generously to nonprofits that build low income housing in our cities. They do it faster, better and cheaper than for-profit developers that are being legislated into doing it. Like silvergoose said, this isn't the thread topic but I'll make it tangential by saying it's BWM to try and force other people's money into subsidizing housing. Use your own, and use lots of it.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I don't know what this expression means exactly, but we should all give generously to nonprofits that build low income housing in our cities. They do it faster, better and cheaper than for-profit developers that are being legislated into doing it. Government investment in stable housing for its residents is a force that can help ensure they have a chance to make a future for themselves, ultimately bettering society and the economy, and is thus very, very good with money. But yeah, the thread for this discussion is probably here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3864792
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Cugel the Clever posted:FYI: Libertarian douchebags like this are not remotely representative of the growing number of people, predominantly on the left, who are fighting for neighborhoods to welcome new neighbors. Governments enabling private construction of new homes to meet demand and investing directly in new affordable housing options are both required to carry our cities through the shitstorm the 21st century has in store for us. Are you saying I'm the libertarian douchebag? I don't follow. I'm overwhelmingly for government investment in low income housing and it is also my career, lol. Government investment =/= government legislation of how private parties spend their money. EDIT ew dude don't link DnD in here
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Krispy Wafer posted:Give it a couple of years, the market will correct itself. i would really like for this to extend to the 80's bc i think there was another housing bubble back then that broke. an economic book i read mentioned the savings and loans crisis and i think that had to do with houses?
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I don't know what this expression means exactly, but we should all give generously to nonprofits that build low income housing in our cities. They do it faster, better and cheaper than for-profit developers that are being legislated into doing it. ah yes, just rely on charity to fix it good idea
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Senor Dog posted:ah yes, just rely on charity to fix it good idea You seem to have heard "Rely on someone else to fix it" What was said was "be a part of fixing it".
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mandatory lesbian posted:i would really like for this to extend to the 80's bc i think there was another housing bubble back then that broke. an economic book i read mentioned the savings and loans crisis and i think that had to do with houses? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_United_States_housing_bubble Yeah, there was a bad real estate bust in the mid-80’s. Texas, for instance got killed in both empty office buildings and the oil busts. It took them a decade to recover. But I think that was mostly commercial properties and not residential homes.
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Krispy Wafer posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_United_States_housing_bubble Homes got wiped out as well. That combined with all the cities expanding outward made it so there wasn’t much a housing bubble there during the 00s.
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:Hot take but leaving a car you can't afford to replace if it gets completely wrecked or stolen out on the street is BWM gently caress you BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:Then choose a car inexpensive enough that it won't ruin you financially and you can easily replace it if it is totaled by a hit and run, stolen, or whatever. Or alternately have low deductible comprehensive insurance, which is expensive for cars parked outside and BWM in its own way. double gently caress you Krispy Wafer posted:Wait until we’re black diamond.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I don't know what this expression means exactly "housing is a human right" means that all human beings have the fundamental right to a home
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:"housing is a human right" means that all human beings have the fundamental right to a home I think the same thing about sex with relatively attractive new partners on a weekly or at least monthly basis
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:"housing is a human right" means that all human beings have the fundamental right to a home Sorry, what does it mean to say it? Is it a reference to actions you take outside of the forums? My line of work is extracting actual effort and resources from people to create affordable housing so I always get a kick out of the nice platitudes people come up with.
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Droo posted:I think the same thing about sex with relatively attractive new partners on a weekly or at least monthly basis  GoGoGadgetChris posted:the nice platitudes people come up with. GoGoGadgetChris posted:I don't know what this expression means exactly, but we should all give generously to nonprofits that build low income housing in our cities. They do it faster, better and cheaper than for-profit developers that are being legislated into doing it. lol
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You'll have to lay it out for me. I don't understand and won't put effort into decoding your dig at me.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:"housing is a human right" means that all human beings have the fundamental right to a home Platitudes are cheap. How many housing units for the homeless did you build this year?
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SlapActionJackson posted:Platitudes are cheap. How many housing units for the homeless did you build this year? Many people lack the skills to build housing. You can make a huge difference with your pocketbook and your voter's ballot! ChickenOfTomorrow posted:our work got measure c passed in san francisco so @jack's money is gonna go towards building them good poo poo guy 
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our work got measure c passed in san francisco so @jack's money is gonna go towards stuff for unhomed people 
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It's time to add GGCC to your ignore lists, people
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I don't know what this expression means exactly, but we should all give generously to nonprofits that build low income housing in our cities. They do it faster, better and cheaper than for-profit developers that are being legislated into doing it. When you legislate it, everyone gets a chance.
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