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Not a Step posted:Not to mention the pro business moderate would really prefer a full on technocracy to get around the whole 'will of the people' thing so the smart businessmen can go about their smart business of making a poo poo ton of money without being inconvenienced by the plebs. Weirdly this has resulted in more fascism, not less And on top of that, for a full picture, the center-left party in France absolutely shat the bed in the years leading up to their ouster. Hollande campaigned on resisting austerity policies, only to do a 180 before long. He also adopted a pretty interventionist foreign policy. He did not, in other words, behave very much like a socialist. Personally, I hope that the Democrats learn a lesson from how the Socialist Party of France blew its own legs off, because austerity and interventionism are not a very good platform if you have a left-of-center voter base.
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RaySmuckles posted:I can't believe anyone ever thought it was even an option. The impeachment and Russian obsessions were embarrassingly naive from the beginning. No one imagined for a moment that republican senators would vote to convict, but if that loving rear end in a top hat colluded with Russia, or indeed, caused Russian active-measures, then everyone who worked on that campaign can suck my rear end.
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socialsecurity posted:What is the Russian obsession? thinking that connecting Trump to Russia would bring him down its been two years, nothing impactful has come out, and it ranks extremely low on lists of voters' priorities
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RaySmuckles posted:thinking that connecting Trump to Russia would bring him down It's been 18 months... and it's not low on lists of voter priorities, it's low on lists of right wingers and some center-right people. I want to see Mueller conclude that poo poo, and that's of paramount importance to a lot of people.
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Nov 12, 2018 05:04
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theflyingorc posted:The least informed voters I know constantly say "Pence is worse than Trump", and I really still don't see it. Trump hates Latinos way more than Pence hates gays, he was about to be booted from Indiana, and I'm pretty sure he's just straight up dumb yeah as horrible pence's electroshock ideology is it's hampered by him being dumb and incompetent. if nothing else he wouldn't be able to rile up the base anywhere near as well.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:What’s been going on in Greece lately? Is the economy any better? Sort of. Things seem to be on the slow incline last I checked.
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Nov 12, 2018 05:06
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RaySmuckles posted:thinking that connecting Trump to Russia would bring him down I don't understand do you think all the indictments are nothing or is it you think we shouldn't bother investigating hostile foreign powers into our elections and the President obstructing justice for more then a certain amount of time? Do you think people are somehow so focused on Russia they cannot pay attention to anything else, like if Mueller wasn't investigating Russia he would of brought on full communism now or something? How long do you think Watergate took and that was a much smaller and simpler matter.
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Nov 12, 2018 05:07
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Chilichimp posted:No one imagined for a moment that republican senators would vote to convict, that's not even remotely true. come on, i'm sure many d&der's have read the "Russia is the only thing that matters" thread Chilichimp posted:but if that loving rear end in a top hat colluded with Russia, or indeed, caused Russian active-measures, then everyone who worked on that campaign can suck my rear end. who cares, though? if he did, he got away with it. it has had no meaningful impact on his first term in any way despite a full scale media blitz covering it endlessly. your personal feelings, while righteous, are irrelevant Chilichimp posted:It's been 18 months... and it's not low on lists of voter priorities, it's low on lists of right wingers and some center-right people. two years since his election which is when the rumors began circulating (if not before that). don't be a pedant
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Death toll is up to 31 in the California fires. A quarter-million people displaced. What was Trump's last tweet on the topic? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1061554334276747264 Nothing since. What a piece of poo poo.
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Nov 12, 2018 05:09
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Rectal Death Adept posted:The emboldening of fascist parties in Europe has been going on a lot longer than Trump has been president. Greece had a turn toward the extreme right due to their conflict with the IMF/Eurozone government over their crumbling economy and they aren't the only ones. Yep, wish we had a Nate 538 graph though. I'd wager it got worse after the schmear of poo poo that is our "president". Sorry for that.
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Stexils posted:yeah as horrible pence's electroshock ideology is it's hampered by him being dumb and incompetent. if nothing else he wouldn't be able to rile up the base anywhere near as well. In a hypothetical Pence dictatorship versus a Trump dictatorship, I'd probably rather have Trump. But that's not what the question is.
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socialsecurity posted:I don't understand do you think all the indictments are nothing or is it you think we shouldn't bother investigating hostile foreign powers into our elections and the President obstructing justice for more then a certain amount of time? Do you think people are somehow so focused on Russia they cannot pay attention to anything else, like if Mueller wasn't investigating Russia he would of brought on full communism now or something? How long do you think Watergate took and that was a much smaller and simpler matter. I think it's important to investigate, and I think there's going to be a lot of evidence that Trump is mobbed up, has made a lot of illegal business deals, has covered up a shitton of stuff, and that he's just a really horrifically corrupt individual. But it's not going to be enough to motivate enough voters to put enough pressure on enough Republican senators to remove him from office, even if the House votes to impeach. You're right that this is bigger than Watergate, but it's a different political era from 1974. Republicans are considerably more in-lockstep with one another than they were in 1974. They're more scared of their own voting bases, which are 100% behind Trump, than they are of you or me.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Death toll is up to 31 in the California fires. A quarter-million people displaced. What was Trump's last tweet on the topic? As a meteorologist that works the business side of predicting wildfires, these tweets are incredibly insensitive and tone deaf. Big surprise, he has no idea what the gently caress he is talking about. What a lovely, lovely person let alone president.
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socialsecurity posted:I don't understand do you think all the indictments are nothing or is it you think we shouldn't bother investigating hostile foreign powers into our elections and the President obstructing justice for more then a certain amount of time? Do you think people are somehow so focused on Russia they cannot pay attention to anything else, like if Mueller wasn't investigating Russia he would of brought on full communism now or something? How long do you think Watergate took and that was a much smaller and simpler matter. They can and should investigate for the history books, but Trump is going to end his term in office regardless of what Mueller digs up, and most Americans barely care when their material life continues to get worse with every passing year.
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Majorian posted:I think it's important to investigate, and I think there's going to be a lot of evidence that Trump is mobbed up, has made a lot of illegal business deals, has covered up a shitton of stuff, and that he's just a really horrifically corrupt individual. But it's not going to be enough to motivate enough voters to put enough pressure on enough Republican senators to remove him from office, even if the House votes to impeach. You're right that this is bigger than Watergate, but it's a different political era from 1974. Republicans are considerably more in-lockstep with one another than they were in 1974. They're more scared of their own voting bases, which are 100% behind Trump, than they are of you or me. Most Republican Senators don't have to care, at all, what anyone who isn't a Republican thinks. The Senate + voter-self sorting really are the main cause of most of our stupid bullshit in America. If we actually did what the majority actually wanted we'd have a pretty decently progressive country.
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Not a Step posted:They can and should investigate for the history books, but Trump is going to end his term in office regardless of what Mueller digs up, and most Americans barely care when their material life continues to get worse with every passing year. They care a lot, they just find a source to tell them that the blame lies with "brown people"
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There are literally hundreds of millions of acres of fallow land in the US. Hundreds of millions more still devoted to growing soybeans for export. None of these acres contain paramilitary troops willing to kill children and impale them on sticks. This country has the space, Mr. Cotton.
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socialsecurity posted:I don't understand do you think all the indictments are nothing or is it you think we shouldn't bother investigating hostile foreign powers into our elections and the President obstructing justice for more then a certain amount of time? Do you think people are somehow so focused on Russia they cannot pay attention to anything else, like if Mueller wasn't investigating Russia he would of brought on full communism now or something? How long do you think Watergate took and that was a much smaller and simpler matter. i think people in power are able to shield themselves incredibly well, especially nowadays where the executive has been so much more empowered (compared to watergate almost half a century ago) i think foreign powers interfere in US elections all the drat time, whether that be russia, israel, or saudi arabia. i think we do it too. its just how the world works. the amount of money i've seen that russia spent pales in comparison to many other hostile actors. i think people were absolutely overly focused on russian interference, more so as a shield to protect themselves from self-examination and criticism (we didn't lose, we were cheated!)
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Death toll is up to 31 in the California fires. A quarter-million people displaced. What was Trump's last tweet on the topic? I mean, the fires aren't even in forests (or at least not like Trump is imagining) 
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Death toll is up to 31 in the California fires. A quarter-million people displaced. What was Trump's last tweet on the topic? Again, he's on Air Force One flying home to try and make it back before Mueller pops the indictment on Jr, and is probably sleeping off his bigly day of being out in the rain for an hour while Macron styled all over him to his face. Your toddler president is tired and needs his nappy time before he can do the tweet tweets again.
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theflyingorc posted:There was a time where Trump's favorability was on a consistent downhill slope, into the low 30s in his first year, when I thought he might be impeachable if it continued. I think you could do it somewhere from 24-27% support, maybe. Cool. What will you do?
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RaySmuckles posted:that's not even remotely true. come on, i'm sure many d&der's have read the "Russia is the only thing that matters" thread lol, okay. He's very not mad about it, because it's not impacted him at all.
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i am harry posted:There are literally hundreds of millions of acres of fallow land in the US. Hundreds of millions more still devoted to growing soybeans for export. None of these acres contain paramilitary troops willing to kill children and impale them on sticks. This country has the space, Mr. Cotton. About that.
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RaySmuckles posted:i think people in power are able to shield themselves incredibly well, especially nowadays where the executive has been so much more empowered (compared to watergate almost half a century ago) you should be happy the Mueller probe exists - you seem very sure of yourself and it sounds like, at completion, it would prove that you're right and that everyone who thinks Russian interference mattered (or had any effect, or did happened at all) are wrong
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I think we should investigate all politicians as thoroughly as we do Trump. We kinda have a thing where they think they are just completely untouchable celebrity millionaire royals so rather than a singular case of ORANGEMANBAD causing this fanaticism for accountability and investigations directed at one person in this one instance we should probably investigate George "Literal War Crimes" Bush or Hillary "Forget Haiti" Clinton. All of the politicans just straight taking corporate payouts and doing illegal poo poo at our expense should be held accountable.
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Majorian posted:I think it's important to investigate, and I think there's going to be a lot of evidence that Trump is mobbed up, has made a lot of illegal business deals, has covered up a shitton of stuff, and that he's just a really horrifically corrupt individual. i think people also just sorta accept that this is how it is these days remember when trump talked about buying politicians? people don't care about corruption as along as you're on their side Chilichimp posted:lol, okay. He's very not mad about it, because it's not impacted him at all. oh he's mad about it? and that's limited his ability to ruthlessly pursue his agenda and actually get poo poo he wants done how exactly? who loving cares how mad he is? i care about him actually getting poo poo done which he has so far been extremely successful at. granted, he had a majority in both houses so now he'll be stymied, but this election had gently caress all to do with russia
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theflyingorc posted:Most Republican Senators don't have to care, at all, what anyone who isn't a Republican thinks. Sadly, there is no party that represents the majority of people in America. We got two for the super wealthy though, and whoever they can con into identifying enough with their respective super wealthy donors. theflyingorc posted:They care a lot, they just find a source to tell them that the blame lies with "brown people" What does this even mean? Chilichimp posted:lol, okay. He's very not mad about it, because it's not impacted him at all. Trump is a giant toddler who gets mad about everything. His steak not being well done and covered in ketchup likely sends him into a rage. Basing your politics on what makes Trump mad seems exhausting. E: If this is one of those 'just let me have this I need to dunk on the orange man to not cry' things just say so. I have days like that Nix Panicus fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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PhazonLink posted:are the jokes about the Watergate speed run wrong yet or is the timespan for Muller still under the Watergate one? I think we're still under. Bonus ultra mega under if you count general fuckery by expanding to include Nixon loving with Vietnam in 68'
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Rectal Death Adept posted:I think we should investigate all politicians as thoroughly as we do Trump. I heard Garfield once rubbed himself against a cat.
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I try to think of a more horrible death than fleeing from flames, knowing you can't get away as the smoke and heat overtakes you, and this dumb rear end in a top hat is trying to use that suffering and tragedy to (badly) score political points. I know people whose friends and family barely made it out alive. I'm walking through the smoke and haze every day knowing that more bodies are going to be found and more people are losing everything they have. A lot of poo poo from this administration has pissed me off but I am loving livid right now. His entire loving job is to send his thoughts and prayers and offer aid. That's it, that's all he has to do to come out of this looking good. Maybe declare a state of emergency. And he can't even manage that simple task, the goddamn lackwit. I know posting this doesn't accomplish anything but it's cathartic
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Rectal Death Adept posted:I think we should investigate all politicians as thoroughly as we do Trump. While we're at it let's investigate all those hookers JFK banged. I'm sure Iran-Contra could use another go over with a fine-toothed comb. And what was up with Teapot Dome anyway? We should get to the bottom of that one. Got any other people who no longer hold political power and relevance you want Congress to Benghazi the gently caress out in order to deflect from Trump? Speak up, we can't hear you.
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Rectal Death Adept posted:I think we should investigate all politicians as thoroughly as we do Trump. This. It can't be underlined enough that Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself.
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I wonder how The_Donald is doing tonight. Maybe things calmed dow...quote:Our ability to elect representatives has been stripped from us in this election. We no longer have the possibility of fighting the swamp politically. All that’s left is the Dems to push in representatives that will strip us of our 2nd Amendment and we can’t stop them because we didn’t stop them here.
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RaySmuckles posted:i think people also just sorta accept that this is how it is these days You know what? Fuckin' I'm just gonna drop this.
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nine-gear crow posted:While we're at it let's investigate all those hookers JFK banged. I'm sure Iran-Contra could use another go over with a fine-toothed comb. And what was up with Teapot Dome anyway? We should get to the bottom of that one. the funniest thing about that post is the two people he named have, in a very literal sense, been investigated far more than donald trump. a year from now that'll probably be different but lol
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RaySmuckles posted:i mean, without getting too "dems bad, neoliberals are a cancer" about it, it does seem to be right out of the modern neoliberal playbook. Wasn't Geithner a Treasury Dept. bureaucrat and at think-tanks/IMF before becoming Fed Chairman and Treasury Sect? He's a capitalist vampire but I don't think he worked on Wall St. I could be wrong about that though.
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theflyingorc posted:There was a time where Trump's favorability was on a consistent downhill slope, into the low 30s in his first year, when I thought he might be impeachable if it continued. I think you could do it somewhere from 24-27% support, maybe. I don't think Trump hates Latinos as much as he LOVES the cheers he gets when he talks about hating them at his rallies. Miller, on the other hand really loving hates them, and translates those cheers into easy policy steering for our idiot president.
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