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serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Tesseraction posted:

what is an aga

I feel this bolsters my "not a tory" cred but seriously waht it is?

Imagine a normal cooker but for horse girls

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Also is Corbyn currently in the thread fuckbarrel for his "brexit can't be stopped" comment? Because it seemed to me that it's more a statement about the current state of things - as in, it's currently barrelling forward regardless of what anyone other than May wants. Starmer and Thornberry clarifying that a second referendum is plausible would indicate as such.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Meanwhile in other news: "Prevent" programme concerns.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/nov/11/reading-university-warns-danger-left-wing-essay

quote:

University alerts students to danger of leftwing essay
Prevent critics slam Reading for labelling ‘mainstream’ academic text as extremist

Eleni Courea

Sun 11 Nov 2018 09.00 GMT Last modified on Mon 12 Nov 2018 05.10 GMT



The late Norman Geras. Photograph: Graeme Robertson for the Observer

An essay by a prominent leftwing academic that examines the ethics of socialist revolution has been targeted by a leading university using the government’s counter-terrorism strategy.

Students at the University of Reading have been told to take care when reading an essay by the late Professor Norman Geras, in order to avoid falling foul of Prevent.

Third-year politics undergraduates have been warned not to access it on personal devices, to read it only in a secure setting, and not to leave it lying around where it might be spotted “inadvertently or otherwise, by those who are not prepared to view it”. The alert came after the text was flagged by the university as “sensitive” under the Prevent programme.

The essay, listed as “essential” reading for the university’s Justice and Injustice politics module last year, is titled Our Morals: The Ethics of Revolution. Geras was professor emeritus of government at the University of Manchester until his death in 2013. He rejected terrorism but argued that violence could be justified in the case of grave social injustices.

Waqas Tufail, a senior lecturer in criminology at Leeds Beckett University who wrote a report about Prevent last year, described the case at Reading as “hugely concerning”. Another Prevent expert, Fahid Qurashi of Staffordshire University, said the move showed how anti-terrorism legislation is “being applied far beyond its purview”.

Ilyas Nagdee, black students’ officer for the National Union of Students, said the case again highlighted “misunderstanding of the [counter-terrorism guidance].”

The strategy, itself controversial, is meant to divert people before they offend, and requires universities to monitor students’ and academics’ access to material that could be considered extremist. The scheme has repeatedly come under fire since its remit was expanded by the coalition government in 2011. Critics argue that it has curtailed academic freedom by encouraging universities to cancel appearances by extremist speakers and for fostering a “policing culture” in higher education.

Tufail added: “This text was authored by a mainstream, prominent academic who was well-regarded in his field, who was a professor at Manchester for many years and whose obituary was published in the Guardian. This case raises huge concerns about academic freedom and students’ access to material, and it raises wider questions about the impact of Prevent.” The text was identified as potentially sensitive by an academic convening the course. “This is almost worse because it means academics are now engaging in self-censorship,” Tufail said.

Nagdee said: “Prevent fundamentally alters the relationship between students and educators, with those most trusted with our wellbeing and development forced to act as informants. As this case shows, normal topics that are discussed as a matter of course in our educational spaces are being treated as criminal”.

The University of Reading said: “Lecturers must inform students in writing if their course includes a text deemed security-sensitive, and then list which students they expect will have to access the material.

“As laid out in the Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015, the University of Reading has put policies in place to take steps to prevent students being drawn into terrorism.” One aspect of this is to safeguard staff and students who access security-sensitive materials legitimately and appropriately used for study or research.”

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

From the FT


Ft posted:


Sabine Weyand, the EU’s deputy negotiator, told member states on Friday they would act as a starting point when detailed negotiations start on the future UK-EU economic relationship. “This is a baseline for the future relationship,” said one EU diplomat familiar with the discussions. EU negotiators are open to such a customs union, which would allow London to avoid customs checks across the Irish Sea.

But, in return, Brussels insists on a clutch of “level playing field” provisions that restrain Britain’s ability to diverge on competition, taxation, labour and environmental rules. These would be written into the UK’s withdrawal treaty.

The most prescriptive relate to state aid and antitrust rules. The UK would be obliged to “dynamically” track the EU’s rule book in these areas as it evolves. Brussels wants the ECJ, the EU’s top court, to be the ultimate referee of whether Britain is applying the rules properly.

Unsurprisingly EU demanding full compliance with its state aid regime as a price for "a" customs union.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Tesseraction posted:

Also is Corbyn currently in the thread fuckbarrel for his "brexit can't be stopped" comment? Because it seemed to me that it's more a statement about the current state of things - as in, it's currently barrelling forward regardless of what anyone other than May wants. Starmer and Thornberry clarifying that a second referendum is plausible would indicate as such.

I took his comment to mean "Labour can't stop it" and Starmer's today to mean "It can be stopped (but by the govt, not labour)"

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

either that or drinking problem yeah

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


Just install metal detectors in the street. Or stop every single person like an airport. How would they know who to search if they didn't need reasonable grounds anymore? What a bunch of farts.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

E: Actually nm. Don't engage.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
:yeshaha:

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

serious gaylord posted:

Imagine a normal cooker but for horse girls
Don't kinkshame.

Miftan posted:

How would they know who to search if they didn't need reasonable grounds anymore?
You know this one.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

You know this one.

:smith: which is why it's a bad idea.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I took his comment to mean "Labour can't stop it" and Starmer's today to mean "It can be stopped (but by the govt, not labour)"

Yeah that was my take on it. Unguarded remark to a German paper.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Lol nice

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER


actually probably the best move for her in that case, and also the most basically decent

i'm surprised; i would have expected her to be more craven

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

It's her way of ducking responsibility.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

"well I put my dogshit deal to parliament and you rejected it, now you sort this out while I stand to the side and yell 'I told you so' to a wall"

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Yeah honestly that would be best for both May and for the nation.

Since this is hellworld though, the Tories will get in because people will believe that the Tories have to be allowed to see it through because they are "the natural party of Brexit" or some dogshit.

E: ^^ double dogshit posts.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

V. Illych L. posted:

actually probably the best move for her in that case, and also the most basically decent

i'm surprised; i would have expected her to be more craven

aye it’s a bluff to get the brexiteers on side- vote for my deal or deal with PM Corbyn

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Tesseraction posted:

"well I put my dogshit deal to parliament and you rejected it, now you sort this out while I stand to the side and yell 'I told you so' to a wall"

This would be peak May but since when has Patrick O'Flynn been right about anything?

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

HopperUK posted:

I got 4 but to be fair some of those are also signifiers of being Irish, soo.

The 89 signs that you're a Tóraidhe.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Ending Brexit and May with one vote would be pretty sweet

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Miftan posted:

:smith: which is why it's a bad idea.
The problem is that nobody is challenging the underlying assumption.

It's "stop and search is necessary" vs. "stop and search is racist/infringes civil liberties".

Which may well be so, but that's not the correct counterargument for the current environment. The correct counterargument is "stop and search doesn't work and is a colossal waste of everyone's time and money"




(Which is of course not to say that we shouldn't be talking about civil liberties and racism in policing, but we can do that through other examples.)

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

CoolCab posted:

aye it’s a bluff to get the brexiteers on side- vote for my deal or deal with PM Corbyn

What's the rules for a leadership spill? Can the Brexit crew shank May after shooting down her proposal but before she calls new elections (assuming she doesn't make the deal itself a no-confidence measure, which I guess she would in which case they may chuck her before)?

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006


quote:

29. Telling people you’re “not sure” what your dad does, or are extremely vague when people ask

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1061963218095140865?s=19

Lord "Mo" Lester.

Also;

https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1061921417833472001?s=19

"Good luck if you have to print me out"

:confused:

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Zalakwe posted:

This would be peak May but since when has Patrick O'Flynn been right about anything?

stopped cocks

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003

When would her deal go to the commons? Is this something soon?

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

VideoGames posted:

When would her deal go to the commons? Is this something soon?

When she has the votes for it so possibly never

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Horseshoe theory posted:

What's the rules for a leadership spill? Can the Brexit crew shank May after shooting down her proposal but before she calls new elections (assuming she doesn't make the deal itself a no-confidence measure, which I guess she would in which case they may chuck her before)?

No. There isn't enough of them.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

If nothing else goes wrong, we'd be looking at January.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1061949639082102784

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1061956967252529155

https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1061957531386462208

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1061958104223506432

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Failed Imagineer posted:


"Good luck if you have to print me out"

:confused:

That's a messy paper jam.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Regarde Aduck posted:

That's a messy paper jam.

it's user damage, it's not under warranty

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas

Lol, I'm blocked by him. No idea why. Is there any way to find your interactions with a certain account, even if you can't read the tweets from that account?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

goddamnedtwisto posted:

What on earth makes you think that manufacturers moving stage 7 of widget production (which just requires a warm body, not skilled workers or large capital outlay) to Slovenia are going to pay above-average wages for a widget-fettler in Slovenia? Or moving the widget-fettling facility to Romania the moment widget-fettling wages in Slovenia cross the barrier where moving production becomes cheaper?

Why on earth do I believe what, that more work opportunities mean better pay? the labour force isn't infinite, and no matter where you fettle your widgets, the increased demand for fettlers will lead to raised wages

I'm sure each nation can fettle its own widgets if necessary, but lots of manufacturing in Europe only makes sense in the context of the European market, yes? You don't protrude British confabulators from British widgets fettled in British sweatshops and molded in British arsenic bronze, because the domestic confabulator market is, let's be frank, confabulated. You'd rather your, higher skilled, workforce did stuff like final assembly, engineering, insurance and marketing and gently caress knows what, and then get to sell it on the European market. I get that specialization means more granular globalization but that doesn't change the fundamentals, there are obvious up- and downsides to it, but on the whole, it's not a regressive endeavour as long as labour regulations and stuff are upheld

Forums Influencer
Jul 4, 2010
twitter's search is such a shiter, you might have some luck using the from: [yourname] [hisname] but if that doesn't throw anything up the easiest way is to request your archived tweets - it's in the settings and options menu, they send you a big file a few minutes later, it's much easier to search your tweets that way

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
Lol there's advertising space on the back of my NHS wound care leaflet

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Why on earth do I believe what, that more work opportunities mean better pay? the labour force isn't infinite, and no matter where you fettle your widgets, the increased demand for fettlers will lead to raised wages

That's some libertarian-tier bullshit right there

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
:hai:

https://twitter.com/Tony_Robinson/status/1061597484131115008

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

You know what, I think he's right on this one

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