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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

It's almost as if the main purpose of the whole Russia thing isn't actually to prevent interference in elections but rather to manufacture an excuse to punch left.

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Guavanaut posted:


Can we at least expect them to stop wanking and playing with their excreta in public if we're going to give them full human rights?

Kinda feel like this setup is too easy

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Miftan posted:

That's an unfair standard to hold them to considering that it's what our entire journalistic industry is based on.
I'm fine with them being sent to live on a monkey sanctuary.

Barry Foster posted:

That is not what the orangutan says :mad:
A-ding ding ding?

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:
I've not seen the Iceland advert but I don't know how it could be more political than the new World Wildlife one.

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction
Lol the government is literally funded by Russian oligarchs but no it is Corbyn who is blocking an investigation

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Barry Foster posted:

That is not what the orangutan says :mad:

(Yes I know it's pratchett I don't care, it's wrong)

It's what The Librarian, a *magical* orangutan, says.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006


He has to be drunk, right?

HJB posted:

I've not seen the Iceland advert but I don't know how it could be more political than the new World Wildlife one.

quote:

Clearcast is the body responsible for clearing ads on behalf of the four major UK commercial broadcasters.

We assess all ads against the rules of the UK Code of Broadcast Advertising; Clearcast is not a regulator and we do not ban ads. The Iceland ad submitted to us is a Greenpeace film which has been appearing on the Greenpeace website for a number of months.

The specific rule Clearcast and the broadcasters have considered is:

An advertisement contravenes the prohibition on political advertising if it is:

An advertisement which is inserted by or on behalf of a body whose objects are wholly or mainly of a political nature.

Clearcast’s concerns do not extend to the content or message of the ad.

Seems pretty clearcut to me

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
a supermarket that specialises in frozen meals called iceland is pretty loving lol

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

TheRat posted:

Seems pretty clearcut to me
So Iceland said to Greenpeace "hey can we buy the rights to one of your cartoons" and they said sure, then they said to advertising standards "hey can we run Greenpeace agitprop on broadcast television and put our name at the end?" and they said no, so now it's the Banned Iceland Ad.

loving lol

I knew it had to be deliberate. Everyone came out of that looking good except Clearcast.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

What even is the supposed connection?

Corbyn is a democratic socialist, and a republican, and supports unions, Russia used to be the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, therefore Russia supports Corbyn?

Boomers are too stupid to realise that the USSR hasn't existed for the past 30 years.

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

Beefeater1980 posted:


One of those Leave-voting workers, Steve, told the FT that staff lived under a permanent “dark cloud” of possible job losses anyway, since the plant was constantly in competition with other sites to win new models.

“We have that threat all the time; it’s just been another threat,” he said. The irony, of course, is that leaving the EU will probably make Britain more vulnerable to corporate blackmail as it tries to retain and attract jobs. 

And this is exactly why Leavers can dismiss everything bad about Brexit as Project Fear. Nissan also made a huge fuss about leaving the UK if we didn't join the Euro. Why should workers put any trust in their claims that no, this time they'll really do it, pinkie promise?

And if Nissan actually does leave, or any other large company that's been pulling this kind of stunt for years, a good proportion of the workers will deny it has anything to do with Brexit and they've been half-expecting this for years.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Pseudonyms to protect authors of controversial articles

quote:

Academics who are frightened to explore controversial topics, in case it provokes a backlash, will soon have a safer route to publish such work.

An international group of university researchers is planning a new journal which will allow articles on sensitive debates to be written under pseudonyms.

They feel free intellectual discussion on tough issues is being hampered by a culture of fear and self-censorship.

The Journal of Controversial Ideas will be launched early next year.


Missed opportunity to call it the Journal of Hot Takes imo

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Pseudonyms to protect authors of controversial articles



Missed opportunity to call it the Journal of Hot Takes imo

It's one of those things that could be good in theory but will just be immediately coöpted by fash to mainstream their ideas

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006


Lol, he deleted it. This was the "mad cat lady Codswallop" tweet right?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Failed Imagineer posted:

It's one of those things that could be good in theory but will just be immediately coöpted by fash to mainstream their ideas

its going to be race science all the time

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

TheRat posted:

Lol, he deleted it. This was the "mad cat lady Codswallop" tweet right?

Since I still have twitter open with it visible its this yeah

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
This is all really good

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1062287442319958018

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Failed Imagineer posted:

It's one of those things that could be good in theory but will just be immediately coöpted by fash to mainstream their ideas
I suppose it depends on what you can't say in academia at the moment and how well peer reviewed it is.

There's this poo poo for example, and Prevent is more of a threat to the left than the right, but the submissions at least will probably have a thousand "An Analysis Of Female Insubordination In Academia by J. Gordan Peckleton"

Jose posted:

its going to be race science all the time

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/mrchriswilkins/status/1062286813488992256?s=21

https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/1062287058834804737?s=21

Wilkins, for the record, is the former Number Ten Director of Strategy.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

bump_fn posted:

a supermarket that specialises in frozen meals called iceland is pretty loving lol

Some of us are old enough to remember when it was called Bejams

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Guavanaut posted:

I suppose it depends on what you can't say in academia at the moment and how well peer reviewed it is.

There's this poo poo for example, and Prevent is more of a threat to the left than the right, but the submissions at least will probably have a thousand "An Analysis Of Female Insubordination In Academia by J. Gordan Peckleton"



Can't believe your favouritism for BAR Honda right here.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Pseudonyms to protect authors of controversial articles



Missed opportunity to call it the Journal of Hot Takes imo

But gbs already exists???

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Jose posted:

Since I still have twitter open with it visible its this yeah



I'll be very disappointed in Twitter unless he deleted it because of the hundreds of people telling him her name is Eleanor Abernathy.

Rakosi
May 5, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
NO-QUARTERMASTER


From the river (of Palestinian blood) to the sea (of Palestinian tears)

Guavanaut posted:

It wouldn't surprise me if the regulators got some encouragement. Or Iceland took legal advice on how to get the tamest possible advert that wouldn't put off their bread and butter shoppers while still getting that sweet internet counterculture Banned in Britain cred.

I mean this is the weird thing; it's not that much of a counterculture and it's completely not political to advocate for the environment. Environment is and should be THE bipartisan issue if there ever is one. I cannot fathom what checklist the regulatory bodies have that they must've checked through to ban this advert.

Was it literally "Cut down less trees? POLITICAL!"

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Failed Imagineer posted:

It's one of those things that could be good in theory but will just be immediately coöpted by fash to mainstream their ideas

Kinda hard to be coopted when the people involved are a bunch of fash apologists to begin with.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Julio Cruz posted:

Arron Banks is being investigated for allegedly* spending Russian money to win the referendum, but sure it's Corbyn who the Russians are really in bed with

*he totally 100% did

Yeah but Corbyn bent over Nandos and Brexited into it so he's secretly in league with Arron Banks and the evil communist Russians, you see, he's coming for your BINS, Mabel! He's going to nationalise your bins!

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Rakosi posted:

I cannot fathom what checklist the regulatory bodies have that they must've checked through to ban this advert.

Because it's Greenpeace. I consider Greenpeace actively harmful to the environment, so anything that keeps them off TV is a good thing in my book.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Why did they call their lovely sea division Rainbow Warrior and not the more logical Codpeace?

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!
Has this shambling corpse of a government seriously not collapsed yet?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Is there actually any point to an elected House of Lords? Its entire purpose is to be an advisory body comprised of people with diverse areas of expertise and no fear of the government of the day getting rid of them. Now, you can argue that's elitist, but if you want to ditch it, why not just abolish the institution altogether? What purpose does a second elected body with advisory power serve?

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic

Fun Shoe

Andrew neil having a successful career is a mystery to me. He's such a talentless, smug sack of poo poo.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
There's no way you can call The Spectator a journal

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

TheRat posted:

Because it's Greenpeace. I consider Greenpeace actively harmful to the environment, so anything that keeps them off TV is a good thing in my book.
Greenpeace FTW. Don't come at us with your anti green pish from a state that is only rich because of its oil ty.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Rakosi posted:

I cannot fathom what checklist the regulatory bodies have that they must've checked through to ban this advert.
maybe "© Greenpeace" gave it away

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

jBrereton posted:

Greenpeace FTW. Don't come at us with your anti green pish from a state that is only rich because of its oil ty.

Their stance on nuclear energy is anti-vaxx level bullshit, and includes the same amount of lying and propaganda. Greenpeace and others like them are actively killing the planet by making sure clean energy infrastructure is not being built.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Jose posted:

its going to be race science all the time

Guest starring Toby Young! (lol Toby Young can't write academic papers but it will 100% be peso bs)

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Darth Walrus posted:

Is there actually any point to an elected House of Lords? Its entire purpose is to be an advisory body comprised of people with diverse areas of expertise and no fear of the government of the day getting rid of them. Now, you can argue that's elitist, but if you want to ditch it, why not just abolish the institution altogether? What purpose does a second elected body with advisory power serve?

It actually does a pretty good job of making sure laws aren’t just rammed through in a week. With our system as it is it’d be a bad idea to remove the one thing that stops legislation being rushed through before any public dissent can really build up.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


TheRat posted:

Their stance on nuclear energy is anti-vaxx level bullshit, and includes the same amount of lying and propaganda. Greenpeace and others like them are actively killing the planet by making sure clean energy infrastructure is not being built.

Except sustainable energy sources have developed to the point where they are now a viable alternative; they just need the investment. Ten years ago I'd have agreed with you, but I think "nuclear or nothing" is an outdated argument. I used to have the same beef with the Green Party but I genuinely believe the science has caught up to their hard-line stance.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Darth Walrus posted:

Is there actually any point to an elected House of Lords? Its entire purpose is to be an advisory body comprised of people with diverse areas of expertise and no fear of the government of the day getting rid of them. Now, you can argue that's elitist, but if you want to ditch it, why not just abolish the institution altogether? What purpose does a second elected body with advisory power serve?
You could try for different ways of electing, so you can preserve the constituency MP link for the Commons, and then have the Senate be from the various regions and elected by PR.

That way Scotland and Yorkshire etc. get guaranteed representation in the upper house.

You could also require a certain charter or qualification in law, philosophy, statistics, etc. to preserve the technocratic element.

Too much power risks US style gridlock so you could keep them as the advisory review house that they are, just with say 240 members, 20 from each region, instead of 791 seats lmao.

TheRat posted:

Their stance on nuclear energy is anti-vaxx level bullshit, and includes the same amount of lying and propaganda. Greenpeace and others like them are actively killing the planet by making sure clean energy infrastructure is not being built.
Aren't they still anti electric car research because everyone should take the bus?

Which would be a workable position if there were any buses.

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jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

TheRat posted:

Their stance on nuclear energy is anti-vaxx level bullshit, and includes the same amount of lying and propaganda. Greenpeace and others like them are actively killing the planet by making sure clean energy infrastructure is not being built.
Their stance on nuclear energy reflects the more complex truth that regardless of any stated advantages of nuclear energy production, nuclear energy companies are addicted to lying, and the world still does not have a very good solution to the problem of nuclear waste. It's still sat about at Sellafield. In Germany they've tried chucking it down some mines in East Germany but for some reason that isn't terribly popular either and reflects the besserwessi arrogance that is going to destroy their country fairly soon.

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