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Papa Was A Video Toaster
Jan 9, 2011





Bajaha posted:

Now that's just straight up evil.

Gambling on a credit card is particularly BWM beyond all the immediate things that pop into your head, the transactions are treated as "cash-like" and begin accruing interest immediately at the undoubtedly high credit card interest rate, I think some even have a higher rate for those transactions types but it'll depend on the card.

I misremembered slightly. You have to go to a separate kiosk, but it's still v. v. evil.

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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002
Probation
Can't post for 45 minutes!

Murderball posted:

r/iknewiwasmakingamistake



TVsVeryOwn posted:

r/idefinietelyaskedforthis

Don't sign your posts please

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

TVsVeryOwn posted:

I misremembered slightly. You have to go to a separate kiosk, but it's still v. v. evil.



Wow I can't believe people who run casinos are incredibly vile bloodsuckers

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Ashcans posted:

That's not what he's saying. Many accounts/debit cards have a limit where you can only withdraw a certain amount by card each day - maybe $500. Even if you have $10,000 in your account, they'll only let you pull a certain amount in cash from ATMs, if you want more you need to go to a branch office. He's saying that in addition to denying the withdrawal over their limit, they also charge a fee for the privilege.

Pulling out cash from an ATM repeatedly while gambling is a terrible idea anyway, but it's different than overdrawing your account.

The link he posted was not about over daily limit transactions, and that is what I was responding to. It was about unavailable funds fees which occur when your available balance is negative but your ledger balance isn't yet. He probably misunderstood what was happening one way or the other because people are dumb about their bank accounts, and then blame whatever teller is standing in front of them when they find out they overdrew.

Also why in the hell are you using an atm at a casino, holly hell.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Hoodwinker posted:

"I make enough money but make bad decisions. Should I make another bad decision?"
119K in student debt, 90K in personal debt - cash out 401k to pay?

"It's not a budgeting problem" they say with 90k in personal debt.

"post your budget"
"post your budget"
"post your budget"

OP never posts budget

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

this is actually a kind of viable solution except the poster sounds like a baby who is going to get hosed up by some eastern europeans

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Fitzy Fitz posted:

"post your budget"
"post your budget"
"post your budget"

OP never posts budget

why would they post their budget when it's clearly not a budget problem :downs:

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

why would they post their budget when it's clearly not a budget problem :downs:
look I KNOW it's not a budget problem OKAY I know I can AFFORD my YACHT it's all this CHILD SUPPORT that's dragging me DOWN

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Bajaha posted:

Reading comprehension is an issue for you, isn't it.

Distinct from an NSF fee which occurs when you try to withdraw more money than is in your account, this occurs when you withdraw more than the arbitrary limit that your bank has put on your card.

So if you had $10,000.00 in your account with a daily limit of $1,000.00 and you withdraw $2,000.00 to blow on strippers in one night, you've got enough money in your account that you haven't overdrawn, but you'll get dinged with a fee anyway because the bank decided you should only be able to access $1,000.00 from your account from an ATM in a daily basis.

At a bank ATM it usually just refuses the withdrawal and is a way limit the damage someone who's stolen your debit card can do, but at these pay per use ATM's it seems like it just racks up more fees :iiam:

E: well this thread moves faster than I can type on my phone.

Kiting is BWM

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Subjunctive posted:

That’s delightful.

I know you can see that "predatory ATM fee at a casino" is an on topic reply to "predatory ATM fee at a night club".


therobit posted:

The link he posted was not about over daily limit transactions, and that is what I was responding to. It was about unavailable funds fees which occur when your available balance is negative but your ledger balance isn't yet. He probably misunderstood what was happening one way or the other because people are dumb about their bank accounts, and then blame whatever teller is standing in front of them when they find out they overdrew.

Also why in the hell are you using an atm at a casino, holly hell.

UFFs are a new source of revenue and they're taking many creative forms, since ATM usage per machine is on the decline in recent years. Do you know your debit card's daily withdrawal limit (totally unrelated to balance) off the top of your head? I sure didn't! I tried withdrawing X dollars and it said "over the limit, please try again", then Y dollars, then Z dollars, before finally trying the correct number. Of course each of those attempts was accompanied by a $9 UFF and a $2 account balance check fee, despite none of them actually giving me any money!

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Why am I being denied a finance?
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/9wqd5f/why_am_i_being_denied_a_finance/

quote:

Hello all, with Christmas coming up I’m trying to do something special for my mom and my grandmother. I’d like to get my mom a new desktop, a my grandmother a tablet. But I’ve applied at literally every business that sells computers and every time I’m denied for a card with them, and I just don’t understand why. So one, I have no credit which I heard was a good thing because I have no bad credit, no debt and no loans that need to be paid. Second I make about 700 dollars every paycheck, so I’m no understanding why I can finance a computer for 50 dollars a month, which was BestBuys deal on their IMacs. Basically can someone explain why I’m not being approved, and does anyone know where I could finance a computer that would accept me?

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

I know you can see that "predatory ATM fee at a casino" is an on topic reply to "predatory ATM fee at a night club".


UFFs are a new source of revenue and they're taking many creative forms, since ATM usage per machine is on the decline in recent years. Do you know your debit card's daily withdrawal limit (totally unrelated to balance) off the top of your head? I sure didn't! I tried withdrawing X dollars and it said "over the limit, please try again", then Y dollars, then Z dollars, before finally trying the correct number. Of course each of those attempts was accompanied by a $9 UFF and a $2 account balance check fee, despite none of them actually giving me any money!

Was this fee charged by your bank, or the ATM? If it was the ATM then it was probably disclosed on a conspicuous sign on the machine. If it was by your bank, then it is in your account agreement, but try talking to your branch manager.

therobit fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Nov 13, 2018

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




in a similar vein...

I’m broke now, won’t be in 2 months. How stupid is it to take out another credit card for holiday expenses?
https://old.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/9wptto/im_broke_now_wont_be_in_2_months_how_stupid_is_it/

quote:

First of all, I posted this elsewhere and I was overwhelmed with comments saying things like “you don’t need to spend money on gifts, just make something from the heart your family will appreciate it more etc etc” I am looking for an answer to a specific question, despite how much you may want me to make a macaroni frame for my mom.

So right now I’m a broke college kid waiting tables at a lovely restaurant barely making enough to pay my rent/bills. However, I was offered a job at the company I interned for over the summer, which I have accepted. The job is set in stone and I start in January after I graduate in December.

I will be making a very decent salary for an entry level IT position, but as of now I have virtually no money for gifts for my family, my serious girlfriend, her family, nor my friends. I’m wondering how stupid it would be to take out a credit card and make minimum payments until my salary starts rolling in next year at which point I would start paying it off?

Full disclosure, I have a student credit card now which I have been making minimum payments on the last few months. Come January, I’ll be paying off both cards.

Edit: I also want to be clear that I’m only talking about a couple hundred dollars. Not sure if that makes a difference but I wouldn’t be putting myself more than 300 or so dollars in the hole

How stupid would it be to count my chickens before they hatch?

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

therobit posted:

Was this fee charged by your bank, or the ATM? If it was the ATM then it was probably disclosed on a conspicuous sign on the machine. If it was by your bank, then it is in your account agreement, but try taking to your branch manager.

I would ditch my bank if they added that. I tried moving credit unions and thought I found an OK one but they charge $2 a month for a security fee. I’ll be finding a new place to keep my cash as soon as I have free time to physically go to a bank.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

StormDrain posted:

I would ditch my bank if they added that. I tried moving credit unions and thought I found an OK one but they charge $2 a month for a security fee. I’ll be finding a new place to keep my cash as soon as I have free time to physically go to a bank.

What the gently caress kind of Protection Racket is this! What security does your $2 provide you?

Are there any ways to get out of it, like minimum balance or direct deposit?

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

What the gently caress kind of Protection Racket is this! What security does your $2 provide you?

Are there any ways to get out of it, like minimum balance or direct deposit?

Comrade, the only way out of it is to put the Wall Street Gang to the sword. You know this.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

StormDrain posted:

I would ditch my bank if they added that. I tried moving credit unions and thought I found an OK one but they charge $2 a month for a security fee. I’ll be finding a new place to keep my cash as soon as I have free time to physically go to a bank.

I have never heard of a security fee. While I honestly don't believe that free checking should even exist, I bet you can find somewhere that is offering a product you can get for free. IME there are good banks and bad credit unions out there, and I wouldn't even necessarily give a blanket statement that one is better than the other. It depends on what features and products you require, and what is available ti you locally. I do find that smaller institutions can be a compliance and operations nightmare. If you never have a problem with a missing deposit, loan interest or billing getting messed up, or someone sending your mortgage details to your brother's ex wife, then you probably will not notice that. If it does happen then a small institution can be really awful to deal with, or they can be easy to deal with depending on who you are dealing with and if they have a robust process in place to detect and fix the problem. In a lot of cases these are things that would be a lot less likely to have happened in the first place at a bigger company due the controls they have.

Begath
Apr 27, 2012

Fish are stupid cause they can't climb trees.
Another repeat of a common issue we see in this thread,

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/9wpz7s/aita_for_getting_my_mother_charged_with_credit/ posted:

About 6 months ago my trusty 2001 Corolla was totaled in an accident. I was thinking about getting a different vehicle anyway so it wasn't the end of the world. After insurance finally cut me a check I went car shopping. My husband and I found a good value after a week or so and we decided we'd buy it.

This is when the first red flag hits: we call up our bank to get terms for a car loan and the interest rate is a few percentage points higher than we expected. When we ask why, we are told it's because my credit score is considerably lower than my husband's. I thought that was weird but figured it was because he uses his credit card all the time (and pays it off every month) whereas I almost never use mine.

The second and far bigger red flag came when I got a letter from a different credit card company letting me know my options for "catching up" on my payments. We don't have a card though this company so I called and let them know they were mistaken.

Unfortunately for me, they were not mistaken. There was a credit card in my name with an address to my mother's house. It had a max of $2,000 and a little over $1,000 on the balance and most of the payments over the last two years were at least 30 days late, some were 90 days late. Needless to say I was shocked. The customer service person said if I wished to dispute it directly with them, I would need documentation that I spoke with law enforcement about it.

Long story short, that's exactly what I did after my mother first refused to acknowledge she had a credit card in my name then finally acknowledged it but said she mainly used it only for special occasions. The infuriating thing is that she has the money to pay it off but the late payments completely destroyed my credit down to a 570.

I gave the credit card company a copy of the report and last month I noticed the card was no longer on my account and my credit score jumped 200 points. HURRAY!

Last Thursday, I received a call from my mother, apparently sheriff's deputies had been to her house and informed her she was being charged with credit card fraud. Now she's furious at me and told me that if she had known I was this serious about it she would have just paid it back.

I feel bad now because obviously the rest of the family and her friends are going to find out about this but my husband says I did the right thing. AITA?

First time I've seen the Redditor not hestitate on reporting the family member. She still wonders if she did something wrong, though.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

quote:

The infuriating thing is that she has the money to pay it off but the late payments completely destroyed my credit down to a 570.

I gave the credit card company a copy of the report and last month I noticed the card was no longer on my account and my credit score jumped 200 points. HURRAY!
570 to 770 is pretty amazing for so little effort, frankly.

19 o'clock
Sep 9, 2004

Excelsior!!!
I'm inspired to check my credit report right now to see about my open accounts....

Edit: Content

So I've surfed the StudentLoans subreddit before for solidarity and encouragement in paying off my own. Not long I stumbled upon a subreddit devoted to intentionally defaulting on student loans as an act of indignant protest. Things like this are pretty cute.

Consequences of defaulting private student loans?
https://old.reddit.com/r/studentloandefaulters/comments/9ujruv/consequences_of_defaulting_private_student_loans/

quote:

I am graduating with over $270k in student loans and getting a professional license in California. If i decide to default the whole thing can the lender mess with my state issued license?

Lets say I am making $100k/year and still decide to default on the loans. How does wage garnishing process work? Does the lender try to get your wages garnished ASAP before the Statute of Limitations is over?

I see a lot of posts about people not being able to pay for loans and defaulting them but what if you make decent amount of money and still want to default?

quote:

I can only answer a part of this. The lender will have to sue you first. Then wage garnishment is 25% of your income.

quote:

25%?? That's savage.


"How come garnish when I don't pay?"

19 o'clock fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Nov 13, 2018

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

Begath posted:

Another repeat of a common issue we see in this thread,


First time I've seen the Redditor not hestitate on reporting the family member. She still wonders if she did something wrong, though.

Family probably should get some extra leeway, but I imagine this is not the first time mom has done something lovely like this. Could she drop charges on her mom, now that the issue is essentially resolved, or is it too late for that?

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

kimbo305 posted:

570 to 770 is pretty amazing for so little effort, frankly.

Turns out the one weird trick to good credit is reporting your family to LE

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

Bird in a Blender posted:

Family probably should get some extra leeway, but I imagine this is not the first time mom has done something lovely like this. Could she drop charges on her mom, now that the issue is essentially resolved, or is it too late for that?

I’m not a US lawyer but fraud is usually a public action crime. Once you report it, it’s up to the state to prosecute it or not.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Begath posted:

Another repeat of a common issue we see in this thread,


First time I've seen the Redditor not hestitate on reporting the family member. She still wonders if she did something wrong, though.

Jesus, I hope this person holds strong and leaves Mom out to dry.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Ur Getting Fatter posted:

I’m not a US lawyer but fraud is usually a public action crime. Once you report it, it’s up to the state to prosecute it or not.

IANAL but she was made whole, now the CC company needs their blood.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Man, I would imagine the legal department for most CCs are just salivating at the chance to prosecute that 1 identity stealing family member out of 100 that actually gets reported as a crime.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Bird in a Blender posted:

Family probably should get some extra leeway, but I imagine this is not the first time mom has done something lovely like this. Could she drop charges on her mom, now that the issue is essentially resolved, or is it too late for that?
The idea of "pressing/dropping charges" doesn't exist as most people think about it. The victim can stop cooperating with the police investigation and whatnot, and that can influence whether they go forward with the case(especially stuff where it'd be nearly impossible to prove without said cooperation), but it's always law enforcement that decides to press or drop charges, not you.

Papa Was A Video Toaster
Jan 9, 2011





Enos Cabell posted:

Man, I would imagine the legal department for most CCs are just salivating at the chance to prosecute that 1 identity stealing family member out of 100 that actually gets reported as a crime.

Being a criminal offence isn't fraud prosecuted by the DA?

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

Enos Cabell posted:

Man, I would imagine the legal department for most CCs are just salivating at the chance to prosecute that 1 identity stealing family member out of 100 that actually gets reported as a crime.

Probably not, they probably don't really want to spend time and money supplying documentation to prosecutors regarding a bad debt that they have probably already charged off and is very unlikely to eventually result in restitution.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Yeah probably so, but drat you just hear about this poo poo so often and so rarely does the aggrieved party actually turn in a family member.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

IANAL but she was made whole, now the CC company needs their blood.

The criminal action (going to the police, the police pressing charges and the state prosecuting) is different and separate from the civil action (recouping the damages caused by the criminal).

All of which is in itself separate from the OPs actual objective, getting enough documentation so that the credit agencies would stop reporting that debt on her report.

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK


My mother stole my identity to commit credit card fraud. Am I the rear end in a top hat?

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
...it does nothing.

BMan posted:

My mother stole my identity to commit credit card fraud. Am I the rear end in a top hat?
OP in that case reported that her mom basically said that. "I was going to pay it baaaack, why would you do this to meeeeee?" :mad:

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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The Macaroni posted:

OP in that case reported that her mom basically said that. "I was going to pay it baaaack, why would you do this to meeeeee?" :mad:

she seems like a trustworthy person whom the OP should believe

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

My justice boner for that credit card fraud resolution is diamond.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Bird in a Blender posted:

Family probably should get some extra leeway, but I imagine this is not the first time mom has done something lovely like this. Could she drop charges on her mom, now that the issue is essentially resolved, or is it too late for that?

She's not the one "bringing charges" against her mother. That would be the DA. And the party to that is the credit card company who will not be "dropping the charges." All they need is the evidence from the cc company. And you know they will provide it because it's in their interest for the civil case they've already prepared for the money she stole from them plus interest plus legal fees.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

Motronic posted:

She's not the one "bringing charges" against her mother. That would be the DA. And the party to that is the credit card company who will not be "dropping the charges." All they need is the evidence from the cc company. And you know they will provide it because it's in their interest for the civil case they've already prepared for the money she stole from them plus interest plus legal fees.

What exactly are the CC's damages? OP's mom was apparently paying the balance (albeit late, which is what hosed OP's credit score.

Assuming the card was immediately shut down after it was reported, the credit card company would be made whole by collecting the last outstanding balance plus probably some interest fees and attorney fees and poo poo like that the card company will probably tack on just to be dicks.

Honestly it seems like a waste of resources to have the DA prosecute this, just have the mom pay everything off and blacklist her so she can't open another card.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost
A personal BWM story. I was messing around with the public records search in my home county and found that a family member has a judgment against them for a $4,xxx debt. This was 6 years ago, and I still see $100 worth of interest being charged every month. The interest far outweighs the original charge. I wonder if any of it has been paid yet or not :(

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

What exactly are the CC's damages? OP's mom was apparently paying the balance (albeit late, which is what hosed OP's credit score.

The money she still owes and the time they have spent to deal with it.

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

Assuming the card was immediately shut down after it was reported, the credit card company would be made whole by collecting the last outstanding balance plus probably some interest fees and attorney fees and poo poo like that the card company will probably tack on just to be dicks.

You are describing their civil remedy, which is what I presented. They have an in house legal team who is surely rated on metrics which this will help, considering it looks like the mother is far from judgement proof, has been easily identified and has admitted to the fraud.

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

Honestly it seems like a waste of resources to have the DA prosecute this, just have the mom pay everything off and blacklist her so she can't open another card.

Yeah, let's not prosecute identity theft fraud as long as it was "friendly". Surely that's the solution to our rampant identity theft issues.

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Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

Guinness posted:

mods, thread title, etc

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3599364

I'm waiting for them to notice

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