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MassRafTer posted:They brought him back months early to ruin his career too. On top of that the swerves they did as part of that heel turn helped kill the shock value of a lot of poo poo they did later on. On the other hand his heel turn lead to that amazing airbrushed top hat. The best buff moment will always be him dressed as an indian in a soft core porn
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Novelty top-hats making a return in the mid to late 90s has to be one of the weirdest fashion trends. I had like 3 of them and I was still in elementary school
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Say Nothing posted:The Cat gets a thumbs up for kicking Buff Bagwell's rear end for real backstage. What are the details on this? What was Buff doing?
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The worst thing about the Cat is his insane arrogance made it so Don Frye never wrestled in the US. (Frye was negotiating with Bischoff, Cat was present, arrogantly said he could beat anyone in UFC because they'd never faced a striker, Frye politely said he was wrong, Cat continued to say he could beat them all until Frye challenged him to a fight and that was that. Cat backed down and WCW stopped negotiating.)
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I'm 100% anti-Cat now.
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I would have paid very good money to see Frye vs. Miller in Pride.
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MassRafTer posted:The worst thing about the Cat is his insane arrogance made it so Don Frye never wrestled in the US. wtf I hate Ernest Miller now
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1st AD posted:I would have paid very good money to see Frye vs. Miller in Pride.
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I would have paid good money to watch him fight Dan Quinn in a Cage on Wheels
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Aesop Poprock posted:Novelty top-hats making a return in the mid to late 90s has to be one of the weirdest fashion trends. I had like 3 of them and I was still in elementary school devil sticks and huge jeans were also in the mainstream, just a really big time for raver guys and people who would be in the background of spin doctors videos
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuIgJ9AHMQ WCW loving owned sometimes
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BrigadierSensible posted:What are the details on this? What was Buff doing? An in-ring segment where he impersonated the cat, complete with blackface makeup.
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MassRafTer posted:The worst thing about the Cat is his insane arrogance made it so Don Frye never wrestled in the US. This begs the question of why Miller was present for Frye's negotiations in the first place. Is Bischoff that much of a jock sniffer he needs the atheletes he employs around him at all times? One of the bummers about Miller is that a karate expert who acts like Ali could be a really fun character if done well and done by someone the fans have a reason to be invested in
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El Gallinero Gros posted:This begs the question of why Miller was present for Frye's negotiations in the first place. Is Bischoff that much of a jock sniffer he needs the atheletes he employs around him at all times? Wasn't he Bischoff's kids trainer? I presume he was there because he was a mate at that point.
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Miller did have that pretty fun Rumble spot where the highlights were Tazz passionately singing along to Somebody Call My Mama, and then JR exclaiming  "Somebody better call his "mama"!" when he got eliminated.EDIT: on the topic of Buff, when I recently rewatched his Raw match I did some reading, and apparently before he went out there Vince or someone told him not to wear the hat, not to speak to the camera, and not to be all crazy flamboyant during his entrance. He then went and did all three because, you know, that was pretty much his entire gimmick. I wonder if someone at WCW ever told him not to do all of that stuff, but he got away with it because by the time he came out the person who told him not to do it was no longer paying attention. Hedgehog Pie fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Hedgehog Pie posted:
Buff without the hat would have been loving awful. I loved that for a good long while Buff had one of the best jobs in wrestling. Come out alongside Scott Steiner, act all goofy whilst wearing a top hat with your own face on it, then run away when the face shows up and let Scotty do the fighting. It was rad.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:EDIT: on the topic of Buff, when I recently rewatched his Raw match I did some reading, and apparently before he went out there Vince or someone told him not to wear the hat, not to speak to the camera, and not to be all crazy flamboyant during his entrance. He then went and did all three because, you know, that was pretty much his entire gimmick. On the one hand it's pretty dumb to take away the three things Buff has and can do, on the other hand this seems like a pretty straightforward case of Vince wanting to see whether Buff could a) do anything else besides those things, and b) listen to some very basic instructions. Turns out that Buff couldn't.
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I didn't grow up watching WWF.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HitHAHRTmcU This match owned watching it on Clash.
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Randaconda posted:I didn't grow up watching WWF. Two of ric flairs most memorable matches happened in Albany ny of all places
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In retrospect it's amazing how many guys in WCW wanted to sabotage any chance they had of a WWE job. Luger and Bagwell making a mockery of losing to Palumbo and O'Haire by laying in the ring for several minutes after losing to them in a minute. Rick Steiner beating the poo poo out of Konnan on Nitro Scott Steiner replacing the WCW title belt with a replica belt and keeping the original for himself (which he has to this day and apparently WWE never figured out.) In the end only Luger and Rick Steiner actually suffered consequences from this (and Scott's is more just hilariously petty and I like telling that story.)
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MassRafTer posted:Scott Steiner replacing the WCW title belt with a replica belt and keeping the original for himself (which he has to this day and apparently WWE never figured out.) that kicks so much rear end
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Scott Steiner is the purest encapsulation of pro wrestling stereotypes on the planet and I love him
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Was Steiner always a lunatic or did he just get
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MassRafTer posted:In retrospect it's amazing how many guys in WCW wanted to sabotage any chance they had of a WWE job. Kevin Nash (and later DDP) spending months trying to get Scott Hall rehired and name dropping him on TV even after corporate told them no and started bleeping Hall's name off the broadcasts. of course WCW also gave then a tag title run for this but well, WCW
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exploded mummy posted:Kevin Nash (and later DDP) spending months trying to get Scott Hall rehired and name dropping him on TV even after corporate told them no and started bleeping Hall's name off the broadcasts. This is just stuff after the WWF buyout became an inevitability, Nash was always going to get a job, knew he was going to get a job and knew when he was going to get a job (skipping the invasion and coming in when Vince needed an infusion of stars) and even called his shot. This is guys who were on the bubble purposefully doing poo poo that looked unprofessional as WWF was figuring out who to hire.
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MassRafTer posted:This is guys who were on the bubble purposefully doing poo poo that looked unprofessional as WWF was figuring out who to hire. jesus WEP posted:Was Steiner always a lunatic or did he just get
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exploded mummy posted:Kevin Nash (and later DDP) spending months trying to get Scott Hall rehired and name dropping him on TV even after corporate told them no and started bleeping Hall's name off the broadcasts. I wish I could find the clip, but there was one episode of Thunder where DDP and Nash mentioned Hall so many times during an interview segment that they just cut all the audio and replaced it with a metal clanging sound. Oh, and the lamp overhead was swinging around for some reason. It's loving hysterical.
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I always kinda wondered why Luger didn't have any role in WWE post -WCW. I heard it was because he had completely fallen apart and lost any talent he ever had by this point, not that he was also being a superdick to some people. It's strange, I've always heard he was best friends with Sting who I've never heard a bad word about. Ggrade A rear end in a top hat that nobody likes but BFFs with one of the nicest guys.
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I'm not exactly sure, but a) he walked out of the WWF and Vince can hold a grudge, b) nothing he did in WCW would convince a shrewd promoter to sign him for the money he'd probably demand, and c) wasn't he completely drugged up by the time WCW died?
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NikkolasKing posted:I always kinda wondered why Luger didn't have any role in WWE post -WCW. I heard it was because he had completely fallen apart and lost any talent he ever had by this point, not that he was also being a superdick to some people. It was really more that by the time his WCW contract had cleared and a lot of the superdick stigma started to clear that his life had fallen completely apart. He also really started having a hard time keeping in shape but that started back in WCW. He had been written off TV back in April and came back in October/November and despite 6 months off, he looked horrible. Halloween Jack posted:I'm not exactly sure, but a) he walked out of the WWF and Vince can hold a grudge, b) nothing he did in WCW would convince a shrewd promoter to sign him for the money he'd probably demand, and c) wasn't he completely drugged up by the time WCW died? He didnt really walk out on WWF, short of not giving Vince any advance notice that he was leaving. His contract had expired and he was a free agent to go anywhere. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Luger looked half dead during his TNA run so I imagine that factored in as well.
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I also imagine that, even if his health wasn't so poor, WWE would be wary of hiring him again considering the circumstances surrounding Elizabeth ODing in his home.
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They didn't really care about that stuff until Benoit's murder/suicide. I believe Luger is still contracted to WWE as a wellness advisor.
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I meant to add that being totally hosed up wasn't necessarily a barrier to getting hired by WWE in 2001, the crazy drug culture of WCW notwithstanding.
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coconono posted:I believe Luger is still contracted to WWE as a wellness advisor. Wait, the guy that made himself a paraplegic through drug use and whose house Elizabeth ODed in is a wellness advisor?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Wait, the guy that made himself a paraplegic through drug use and whose house Elizabeth ODed in is a wellness advisor? He is there to tell people not to do drugs.
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i just looked up how lex is doing and christ he looks like he's about 90. although i guess "still breathing" is a win for lots of guys from that era
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Dude was a paraplegic for like 4 years. That probably isn't very good for the body. On top of every other thing he has done to himself.
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MassRafTer posted:He is there to tell people not to do drugs. Luger could just exist as a preserved corpse in a glass case with a photo of himself in his prime and a note that says: "This is your body on drugs....any questions?"
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