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what's your point? just lay it bare, stop talking in circles and invoking "it makes u think" because quite honestly, it doesn't.
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Nov 14, 2018 02:04
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Republican politicians will move leftward on healthcare the second that they think that not doing so will cause them to lose power. If the Obama admin had brought in UHC immediately it would already be so popular that running on a campaign of abolishing it would be suicidal.
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Nov 14, 2018 02:05
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You can have civil rights, just wait until 2024 or beyond. Nope. No sell.
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cohsae posted:Republican politicians will move leftward on healthcare the second that they think that not doing so will cause them to lose power. Yeah, that's why every Republican senator voted against ACA and centrist Dems forced the abandonment of the public option. The policy proposal just wasn't far enough to the left. In retrospect you could argue stronger, better legislative would have been more popular and harder to eliminate. But it has to have the votes to pass in the first place.
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Nov 14, 2018 02:24
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KingNastidon posted:I don't care what you personally want in a country with 100M+ voters. I generally want the same end goal, for what it's worth. I'm asking whether you're that confident that >=50% of the voting population will give the Democratic Party their support to pass an immediate, significant restructuring of our healthcare system when faced with real world upsides/downsides. And if you're not 100% confident, which seems reasonable enough given 2010 elections following Obamacare, whether there are other acceptable incremental approaches you'd accept that could eventually get to the same end goal with broader popular support. You're really all over the place, alternately trying to appeal to popular support and to a supposed powerful voting lobby of people who might suffer materially if the insane profits of insurance companies go down. I thought people were being unkind by jumping to the conclusion that you're a stereotypical decorum-and-compromise obsessed lib, but goddamn. KingNastidon posted:Right. And let's say for various reasons you're unable to convince the neceasary centrist Dems to go for full M4A. I could go through every little picayune point you're arguing for, but all that really matters is this: Kobayashi posted:Whatever game of chess you think you’re playing at the end of history in your head is not going to survive the material reality of 6 more years of climate change.
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Nov 14, 2018 02:49
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KingNastidon posted:Yeah, that's why every Republican senator voted against ACA and centrist Dems forced the abandonment of the public option. The policy proposal just wasn't far enough to the left. Hmm and maybe that happened because we kowtowed to a centrist shithead Senator from Connecticut. Maybe if the left elements of the party told Joe to step in line or get hosed, we could have had some real change.
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Nov 14, 2018 02:49
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KingNastidon posted:Yet...both Obama and Hillary were unable to come out in support of gay marriage in 2008. But their presidency likely moved that issue more to the left than a Republican president would have. So just like it happened for gay marriage, the national democratic party's plan for medicare for all will be to do absolutely nothing and wait for state governments and the courts to handle it for them? What an inspiring message to bring people to the polls with
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Nov 14, 2018 02:53
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Obama won because he was an incredibly charismatic politician. The results of the 2016 election show precisely how well Obama's agenda ran without Obama to sell it.
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Halloween Jack posted:70% of Americans support Medicare for All. Alright, we will have to wait until 2021 when Democrats have won control the presidency, house, and senate. And they all uniformly vote in favor for not just M4A, but all the furthest-left nuances around drug price negotiation, supplemental R&D in lieu of lost pharma revenue, HCP reimbursement changes, nationalization of medicare PBMs, etc. Until then I suppose it's silly to ponder the must haves vs. compromises of a currently completely hypothetical M4A bill.
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Nov 14, 2018 03:05
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Nov 14, 2018 03:05
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Or you could just run on the whole shebang and let the Republicans worry about extracting concessions? You don't have to do their loving job for them you wet poo poo.
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KingNastidon posted:Alright, we will have to wait until 2021 when Democrats have won control the presidency, house, and senate. And they all uniformly vote in favor for not just M4A, but all the furthest-left nuances around drug price negotiation, supplemental R&D in lieu of lost pharma revenue, HCP reimbursement changes, nationalization of medicare PBMs, etc. Until then I suppose it's silly to ponder the must haves vs. compromises of a currently completely hypothetical M4A bill. You’re liberal as gently caress and the Chapos could do a reading series based on your posts.
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KingNastidon posted:Alright, we will have to wait until 2021 when Democrats have won control the presidency, house, and senate. And they all uniformly vote in favor for not just M4A, but all the furthest-left nuances around drug price negotiation, supplemental R&D in lieu of lost pharma revenue, HCP reimbursement changes, nationalization of medicare PBMs, etc. Until then I suppose it's silly to ponder the must haves vs. compromises of a currently completely hypothetical M4A bill. Are you just blurting out as many complicated-sounding details of policy because it's dawned on you that you've been made a fool of, and you need to claw black your imaginary status as the Adult in the Room again?
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Nov 14, 2018 03:11
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Bring back the cape-swishing puppetmaster Nazi, that was better than this
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Nov 14, 2018 03:14
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What do you even get out of this? Voters and people in general are not something you can reduce to a single point on the left-to-right number line. The policies we're advocating have generally popular support with lots of people, even if they hate the awful "Democrat" brand, and who can blame them. But go ahead and keep on with your craven political calculus that's brought you so much success.
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Nov 14, 2018 03:15
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KingNastidon posted:Yeah, that's why every Republican senator voted against ACA and centrist Dems forced the abandonment of the public option. The policy proposal just wasn't far enough to the left. the aca got watered down because a significant chunk of the democratic party is financially beholden to the insurance industry billy tauzin, who was head of phrma at the time, worked hand in hand with obama and max baucus, who the white house specifically put in charge of the senate version of the bill whether or not there were votes for a better healthcare bill is moot because there never was going to be one
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WorkerThread posted:Voters and people in general are not something you can reduce to a single point on the left-to-right number line. The policies we're advocating have generally popular support with lots of people, even if they hate the awful "Democrat" brand, and who can blame them. Well, that's reassuring. Given M4A has popular support [absent any actual details or meaningful opposition] across partisan lines it's irrelevant to discuss either the feasibility of legislation passing or what form that legislation may eventually take. I'll leave again for now, but hope to rejoin you in 2021 when such clear and popular legislative goals have been achieved.
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So is this what sealioning is because I was never sure
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(For this bit, pretend that I constantly eat poo poo, gently caress up everything, see all of my accomplishments effortlessly overturned, leave a legacy of failure, etc.) "You need to grow up and be more realistic, like me."
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heartfelt apology to Human Tornada for throwing a bomb last week and then laughing every time you replied. it was uncalled for and was wholly inaccurate; i knew this at the time, and i acknowledge it was a cheap shot.KingNastidon posted:Alright, we will have to wait until 2021 when Democrats have won control the presidency, house, and senate. And they all uniformly vote in favor for not just M4A, but all the furthest-left nuances around drug price negotiation, supplemental R&D in lieu of lost pharma revenue, HCP reimbursement changes, nationalization of medicare PBMs, etc. Until then I suppose it's silly to ponder the must haves vs. compromises of a currently completely hypothetical M4A bill. this motherfucker? he can hang out with jonny favstar and friends. god drat, you succ.
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KingNastidon posted:Well, that's reassuring. Given M4A has popular support [absent any actual details or meaningful opposition] across partisan lines it's irrelevant to discuss either the feasibility of legislation passing or what form that legislation may eventually take. I'll leave again for now, but hope to rejoin you in 2021 when such clear and popular legislative goals have been achieved. Yes, take your ball and go home. We'll all be eating crow when voters embrace vague suggestions of "affordable access to healthcare." Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Ah yes the tried and true strategy of telling people to temper their hopes and compromise their positions has once again mobilized my supporters and won over my naysayers, my work is done - KingNastidon, succdem
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KingNastidon posted:Well, that's reassuring. Given M4A has popular support [absent any actual details or meaningful opposition] across partisan lines it's irrelevant to discuss either the feasibility of legislation passing or what form that legislation may eventually take. I'll leave again for now, but hope to rejoin you in 2021 when such clear and popular legislative goals have been achieved. might i suggest an illustrious posting career over in d&d? i believe they will be more amenable to your smoothbrained posts
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It's really funny how libtards bust out the "You don't understand, silly little child, this policy is really complicated" to defend candidates whose positions on everything are vague to the point of meaninglessness.
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“The policy is complicated” is weasel language for one of two things: “it will take time to water down the policy by letting private interests sabotage it” or “our donors would withdraw support so we won’t do it” It’s incredibly pathetic to parrot it as a constituent
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it took about 18 months to fully implement medicare when the program began, and that was done on typewriters with carbon paper and file cards it really isn't that complicated
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If only there were some other countries that already do Single Payer healthcare. Maybe even in a variety of different ways so that there'd be plenty of options to chose from to do it. Sadly none exist so it is going to be really, really difficult.
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It's more the problem that this thing that polls with over 70% approval just isn't politically viable.
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kinda odd how missouri voted in medical marijuana, electoral financing and lobbying restrictions, a $12 min wage, against increasing consumption taxes, and overturned right to work laws all by 30 point margins except for the tax one, yet claire mccaskill, surely a sensible centrist democrat if there ever was one, totally ate poo poo
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Nov 14, 2018 10:09
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Incremental progressivism works! Just ask president Hillary Clinton
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The Muppets On PCP posted:kinda odd how missouri voted in medical marijuana, electoral financing and lobbying restrictions, a $12 min wage, against increasing consumption taxes, and overturned right to work laws all by 30 point margins except for the tax one, yet claire mccaskill, surely a sensible centrist democrat if there ever was one, totally ate poo poo just goes to show, gotta get more racist
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lol that the Democratic senators that lost in Red States didn't just say they voted against Kavanaugh because the man doesn't believe in having a minimum wage law and wants to throw people in prison for life for smoking weed and everyone else into debtors prison after he dismantles medicare. It's actually easy as hell to win a Senate race once nominated.
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AngryBooch posted:lol that the Democratic senators that lost in Red States didn't just say they voted against Kavanaugh because the man doesn't believe in having a minimum wage law and wants to throw people in prison for life for smoking weed and everyone else into debtors prison after he dismantles medicare. Show me.
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I hope they rag on PSA for this https://twitter.com/surfbordt/status/1062894576904691712
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Ccs posted:I hope they rag on PSA for this for what?
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/crookedmedia/status/1062941313962717184
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cat doter posted:for what? Dude who contributes to PSA also worked as a consultant for Facebook promoting right wing conspiracy theories like "antifa is funded by Soros."
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