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You’re not, it’s that the Republican Party has moved away from all of those things you mentioned and is now basically a white nationalist party that eschews limited spending and taxes for MOAR MONEY FOR OUR BRAVE
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Roughly 10% of Democrats vote Republican and vice versa. Independents tend to skew Republican in their voting. Call yourself a Reagan Republican, or a Goldwater Republican, or whatever the gently caress, and people will get you. Throw in an "I'm not a Trumplican" and they'll get it even more.
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mods changed my name posted:"frame of fiscal conservation, of free markets, of limiting government growth and keeping taxes as low as possible. " Keeping taxes low, not wiping out tax brackets and giving billionaires infinite tax breaks to alleviate the fear they might move to Macedonia. What Trump and the GOP did is the equivalence of fiscal suicide.
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It's also ok to question your values and re-align yourself if necessary. Not enough people do that, and I think it's a great disservice. You don't even have to be 'I was wrong in the past', it's not about that. It's acknowledging that what you felt in the past isn't what you feel now. I used to be a Republican because that's how I was raised. Everyone in my family were Republicans. I voted that way until 2006, even voting for Bush in 2004 knowing that it would 99.997% likely send me to Iraq. But I was a New England Republican, which is mostly 'lol gently caress taxes' so the religious/pro-life stuff wasn't what I identified with in the first place. Then I started forming my own political identity because I started to self educate on politics before I started going to school. Military service showed me that military interventions are loving stupid for everything except smashing a country to bits. I learned how taxes work, I learned where money goes and how government functions. Then one day I realized that holy poo poo, I'm not a Republican at all. So I switched parties.
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Unfortunately the GOP defines “jeeping taxes as low as possible” as “keeping taxes impossibly low for my friends and supporters but still increasing net spending anyway”
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I've always heard it in the context of "gently caress the poor/minorities/disabled/etc" Basically what at the date said.
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I mean, Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act. Personally I'm of the opinion that the last good Republican was Ike, and even he had operation wetback under his administration. poo poo has been going wildly downhill since about Nixon, IMO, and that ignores Goldwater prior to that, HUAC, and McCarthy.
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mlmp08 posted:Unfortunately the GOP defines “jeeping taxes as low as possible” as “keeping taxes impossibly low for my friends and supporters but still increasing net spending anyway” Wasn't always the case at least - GHWB was dumb enough to actually believe the "fiscal conservative" nonsense and try and balance taxing and spending. I guess Eisenhower was the only other one?
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Vasudus posted:It's also ok to question your values and re-align yourself if necessary. Not enough people do that, and I think it's a great disservice. You don't even have to be 'I was wrong in the past', it's not about that. It's acknowledging that what you felt in the past isn't what you feel now. Pretty much same, except Alaska/Californian as opposed to NE. The real inflection point for me was McCain going to make nice with Jerry Falwell in 2006 and choosing Palin for VP. I dunno, Trump is saying a lot of poo poo louder and being a obviously corrupt and ignorant piece of poo poo, but the stuff he's pursuing (tariffs aside) are pretty much bog standard Republican policies, just not dressed up pretty. To some extent the overt racism wasn't accepted at the in-public national party level before his election, but it was pushed HARD by conservative media, it's what a bunch of the base (all the ones who've moved from Democrat to Republican since the southern strategy) whole heartedly embraces, etc. Crakkerjakk fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Crakkerjakk posted:I mean, Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act. I don't think you can compare pre-Goldwater Republicans to post-Goldwater Republicans. Same goes with Pre/Post Kennedy Democrats. The civil Rights movement realigned the parties around race more than any sort of policy agenda; Eisenhower probably would have been slightly to the right of Obama by today's standards. Once Gingrich took over as speaker, the GOP legislative apparatus began its march ever more rightward WRT abandoning bipartisan legislation for partisan wins. That, combined with Citizens United, hallowed out the middle and has left the average GOP member somewhere just slightly to the left of the extreme right wing European parties. psydude fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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for my entire life the concept of 'small government' meant government small enough to fit into a woman's uterus and have its say
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psydude posted:I don't think you can compare pre-Goldwater Republicans to post-Goldwater Republicans. Same goes with Pre/Post Kennedy Democrats. The civil Rights movement realigned the parties around race more than any sort of policy agenda; Eisenhower probably would have been slightly to the right of Obama by today's standards. Eh, I agree those were big sea changes in the parties, but the impact on who was in office was gradual. Part of the reason Republicans keep railing against filthy activist judges who were actually appointed by Republicans is how quickly the party is moving to the right. And to some extent the same is true of progressives mad at older reps who have been in office for decades. Like yeah, the civil Rights act and the southern strategy was transformative in how it switched which party was the white supremacist party, but it took till... What 93 for Texas to stop electing democratic senators, and it wasn't till Obama that high school educated Americans were as good as college educated Americans at saying which party was the ones who were more inclusive of people of color. Absolutely agree it was gingrich that really accelerated the "win at all costs" tactics. Prior to him fillibuster was mostly reserved for things like anti-lynching laws and civil rights act. Crakkerjakk fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Proud Christian Mom posted:for my entire life the concept of 'small government' meant government small enough to fit into a woman's uterus and have its say
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It's almost as if when it comes to politics there are no permanent allies, only permanent interests.
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:
Ha! I'm 29, but I've always had this weird conservative bend to my personality. When I was 7 the only thing I wanted for Christmas was my own suit and tie. If reincarnation is real, in a past life I was a tractor dealership owner in the upper Midwest. I owe a lot of my political viewpoint to my grandfather and where I grew up and still live, in Minnetonka Minnesota. Minnetonka is the equivalent of Westchester county or Hyannisport. Upper middle class and wealthy white people who are in either business management or realty, hate taxes, fear poor people, love the environment but drive GMC Yukons two miles to the park for playdates.
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christ, all that sounds loving insufferable sincerely, descendant of a bunch of greasy dago coal miners (gently caress the rich, shoot scabs) Edit: holy poo poo we're the same age get hosed with this "classic conservative" bullshit that has never existed while either of us drew breath Professor Bling fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Nov 14, 2018 18:31
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There's plenty of communities that are largely frozen with their political values. My hometown in CT has had the same mayor since 1991. 27-loving-years. It's like a classic Reagan-era preserve where Clinton was never elected. If I never left that area and got exposed to other things, I would probably be exactly like them still.
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This isn't an uncommon issue, though usually people are taking sims from industrial equipment not storks.
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I was grudgingly a republican who sometimes voted Dem (couldn't vote for Bush in 04) until a coworker I had in Texas showed me the Texas state GOP platform webpage which spelled out very clearly that homosexuality was an abomination and that gays did not deserve any right to marriage or spousal benefits etc in 2006. At this point I realized the party was turning into something truly disgusting and watching the "economic conservative" principles just get poo poo all over by GWB it was easy to walk away. I would have considered voting Republican again in the future after that for the right candidate but after what the party has kept doing and what it fully is now, there's no way I will ever vote for a GOP candidate again for the rest of my life. Anything less than a bullet is charity imo.
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Just because you dress like a Young Republican doesn't mean you have to vote like one. I'm so dispositionally conservative that I haven't changed my hairstyle since my mom combed it to the right one day when I was three. But I woke the gently caress up when the Tea Party happened in 2010.
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Professor Bling posted:Edit: holy poo poo we're the same age get hosed with this "classic conservative" bullshit that has never existed while either of us drew breath I don't think it's that extreme, as people pick and choose aspects of ideologies all the time. People insist that you can be both pro-choice and Catholic, for instance. Same deal here, Republicanism without the racism. https://twitter.com/VeraMBergen/status/1062760496946995205?s=19
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facialimpediment posted:I don't think it's that extreme, as people pick and choose aspects of ideologies all the time. People insist that you can be both pro-choice and Catholic, for instance. Same deal here, Republicanism without the racism. Eisenhowers D-Day Speech for the new generation
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Gas prices are gonna start going back down, oil market is slowing down due to oversupply. Economists are claiming this is a sign of a softening global economy, but I'm not seeing it. OPEC is getting hosed, which is always nice to see. "West Texas Intermediate for December delivery settled 7.1% lower at $55.69 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, its sharpest one-day fall since September 2015. Brent crude, the global benchmark, was down 6.6% at $65.47, entering a bear market—defined as a 20% drop from a recent peak. " "OPEC also lowered its forecasts Tuesday on demand growth for this year and next, citing lower-than-expected demand growth in Asia and the Middle East, along with the uncertain outlook for global economic development."
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The comparison to pro-choice Catholics doesn't really hold water. In the modern world, heterodoxy and heresy can exist within a religion forever without their adherents ever having to do something as concrete as vote against their own beliefs.
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I'm poor and non-white (or at least non-white enough that I get sideways glances and the occasional racist insult once in a blue moon because I live in the south) so modern day conservativism never had a chance to sell itself to me. E: VVV vive la révolution As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Conservatives and their views on the world have always been poo poo and always will be imo. gently caress the queen, gently caress the prime minister, gently caress the whole system that exists to keep the ruling class in power over the majority
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BigDave posted:Gas prices are gonna start going back down, oil market is slowing down due to oversupply. I wonder who Russia's next target is going to be, if oil prices get back down to sub-$50 per barrel. Finland, maybe? Didn't they (in the past 6 months or so) roll up a bunch of extremely shady businesses that had been building military bunkers in areas that would have strategic importance for an invasion along the coast?
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FAUXTON posted:that had been building military bunkers in areas that would have strategic importance for an invasion along the coast? Wait, I remember the business roll up, but what's this?
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FAUXTON posted:I wonder who Russia's next target is going to be, if oil prices get back down to sub-$50 per barrel. Finland, maybe? Didn't they (in the past 6 months or so) roll up a bunch of extremely shady businesses that had been building military bunkers in areas that would have strategic importance for an invasion along the coast? It was a island in the Baltic Sea, but yeah: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/world/europe/sakkiluoto-finland-russian-military.html
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FAUXTON posted:I wonder who Russia's next target is going to be, if oil prices get back down to sub-$50 per barrel. Finland, maybe? Didn't they (in the past 6 months or so) roll up a bunch of extremely shady businesses that had been building military bunkers in areas that would have strategic importance for an invasion along the coast? That turned out really well the last time they tried it!
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BigDave posted:It was a island in the Baltic Sea, but yeah: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/world/europe/sakkiluoto-finland-russian-military.html That's the one, I must have missed the part about it being an island where they had the bunkers and assumed it was all the properties they raided.
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The best people, with the best training plans https://twitter.com/GregJaffe/status/1062763236888637440 https://twitter.com/VeraMBergen/status/1062763290420543490 Woodchip fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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In news articles and papers, the first paragraph is intended to draw in readers by grabbing their attention. I challenge you to find a better one. https://twitter.com/aaronwiener/status/1062773541043605505?s=19
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Sorry, I woke up cold and angry and had to have some chili to calm down. I kind of get it. Rural areas ever since the Third Way have gone hard right and I used to be a GW kid when I was 14 and thought everything was solved and we just had budget problems. Then when I was 19 a landlord refused to rent to me because (and I quote) "all y'all fuckin wops do is get drunk and break poo poo and I don't want any of that in my properties." That really got the ball rolling on my political shift. Hell, we've been in America so long that we've got the draft records for family members from the first world war, but because I tan well and my name ends in a vowel some dude decided I wasn't human enough for a roof over my head. poo poo's hosed and has been for a while.
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In other 2018 hellworld news a bunch of succdemm wine-moms are out in force attacking AOC on twitter for being divisive. All because her comments against Pelosi. They’re also calling her a liar for saying that staff at the congressional onboarding directed her to the spouse meeting rather than the electee one.
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Professor Bling posted:Sorry, I woke up cold and angry and had to have some chili to calm down.  Wow, that's some real Middle America racist bullshit.
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Growing up i was a an "Independentista" AKA someone who wanted an Independent Puerto Rico with leftist ideal. After that i mellowed out and became a left-center dude who wants Puerto Rico to become a state. Lately i am a full blow lefty socialist lunatic who wants to tell americans to either bring Puerto Rico as a state or to let them go, cowards.
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facialimpediment posted:I don't think it's that extreme, as people pick and choose aspects of ideologies all the time. People insist that you can be both pro-choice and Catholic, for instance. Same deal here, Republicanism without the racism. The goal of Republicanism is to preserve the wealth and therefore power of the rich. At the bare minimum by limiting the power of the government you're restriction its ability to rectify social injustice (racism, sexism) and control the excesses of the rich (outside of exploiting the poor the biggest one is climate change). Even if you're not actively thinking about making GBS threads on the poors, women, LGBT, anyone who isn't lily white and the entire god drat planet anyone who labels themselves a Republican is aiding and abetting all this willingly because the government has the power to enforce that the Church no longer has. There has never been a situation where fiscally conservative existed because fiscal conservatism inherently shits upon anyone who isn't rich. And rich people are predominantly white.
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