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FizFashizzle posted:Kevin McCarthy is now the House minority leader. I was going to say, isn't he on record as like one of the most stupid men in Congress?
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1062781457758871554 Gerrymander CA-23 into a 52 D / 48R, slight uphill battle for him. If he panders to his base by rallying house republicans too hard and getting in the news, he shoots himself in the foot. Honestly, Ca probably needs a little redistricting. Republicans won maybe 20% of the house seats but got 35% of the popular house vote. They should realistically get a few more house members. not joseph stalin fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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 except the political television personality I hate most not being selected as the person who schedules votes for the things Mitchell Turtlecloak will not schedule votes for.
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not joseph stalin posted:Gerrymander CA-23 into a 52 D / 48R, slight uphill battle for him. If he panders to his base by rallying house republicans too hard and getting in the news, he shoots himself in the foot. Cripple their ability to resist. CA has a non-nonpartisan districting commission
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DeeplyConcerned posted:I honestly think they're just lazy as gently caress. Remember the donors had to crack the whip hard to get them off their rear end to actually write the bills required to do poo poo like repeal the ACA and cut taxes. Then because they rushed it they had to go back because they're so loving stupid they actually raised taxes on some businesses by accident. there's a timeline where Donnie bashes a Ms. Lydia
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not joseph stalin posted:Gerrymander CA-23 into a 52 D / 48R, slight uphill battle for him. If he panders to his base by rallying house republicans too hard and getting in the news, he shoots himself in the foot. Cripple their ability to resist. We destroyed gerrymandering here (mostly) and that is good
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Rigel posted:She wouldn't be against Pelosi in this hypothetical. I don't think the "not Pelosi" crowd is trying to get someone else to beat her on the floor. They are probably wanting to prove she can't win with a few failed floor votes, then when Pelosi steps aside, its a free for all as every ambitious Dem leader starts talking to everyone else and locking in commitments. That's the problem I have with all the supposed "leftists" supporting the idea of replacing Pelosi, they seem to be operating under the delusion that doing so would result in some super progressive taking her place, which is dumb because most of the calls to replace her are coming from her right which means that by supporting those calls they are in fact advocating for the exact opposite result than they claim to be.
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Z. Autobahn posted:I think given the profound anti-incumbency mood of the nation, having a changing of the guard and some fresh leadership is good for the party in general. Of course they'll find a way to demonize someone new, but that still takes time to get running, and I think the party needs new faces in the spotlight. I'll accept all these points as a good reason to move on from Pelosi, but can we at least keep her in some position where she keeps people in line behind the scenes? If the party drops her for someone else for the sake of publicity and then accomplishes nothing in 2 years what's the drat point.
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Jaxyon posted:Maxine Waters for speaker. Anyone who unironically thinks that a freshman representative should be Speaker of the House and 3rd in line for the Presidency is a massive idiot. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone who unironically thinks that a freshman representative should be Speaker of the House and 3rd in line for the Presidency is a massive idiot. also we should probably make sure the Speaker is constitutionally eligible to serve as President you know, just in case
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Edmund Lava posted:God bless this hell world where I forgot this guy claimed you needed to show ID to buy cereal. Is that what he is implying? I assumed he was saying you could use a cereal box as an ID. Like you go up to vote, hand the poll worker a cutout from the box, and the poll worker responds "here's your ballot Mr. Charms."
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1062700821966712837 Womp womp
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The race was already assumed but now it's official: https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1062793756313837575 He defeated Tom MacArthur. Fritz Coldcockin posted:"A good caning" Remember, the Southern Strategy didn't happen. Wicked Them Beats posted:Oh, spez means edit. And here I thought SA was insular and weird. Two years and they have this whole language unique to their broken brains. Spez is one of the admins of Reddit and protects the_donald from consequences even though they break the rules all the time. For some reason they started attacking him personally so he edited one user's comment, and it pissed them off. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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The fact that they're struggling to get 13 names to commit to signing a letter saying they'll vote no on the floor isn't great. And I feel like a lot of representatives like Lamb would love to vote against Pelosi, but would hate to actually replace her. I mean, reading the room here locally (i'm in Lambs district) I'm pretty sure people would be upset if a Republican ended up as speaker. Edit: also I feel like this conversation happens every two years. It's not really Christmas season until someone mentions that the Speaker doesn't have to be an elected official. Tibalt fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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The New Dems are the ruling coalition of this Congress and they are going to pick Pelosi again or some other awful neolib, unfortunately.
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Retro42 posted:I'll accept all these points as a good reason to move on from Pelosi, but can we at least keep her in some position where she keeps people in line behind the scenes? If the party drops her for someone else for the sake of publicity and then accomplishes nothing in 2 years what's the drat point. That's what I'm thinking. Anyway, the 2020 presidential candidate will be the public face of the party, not Pelosi or her hypothetical replacement. I'd much rather have a vote-whipping badass in that position than someone I agreed with more politically but didn't have the connections or stones to stop blue dog dems from defecting on key votes.
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eke out posted:also we should probably make sure the Speaker is constitutionally eligible to serve as President you know, just in case Is that actually how it works? If someone in the line of succession is too young to run they just get passed over even if the people above them get nuked? Seems counterproductive tbh.
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Retro42 posted:I'll accept all these points as a good reason to move on from Pelosi, but can we at least keep her in some position where she keeps people in line behind the scenes? If the party drops her for someone else for the sake of publicity and then accomplishes nothing in 2 years what's the drat point. Every speaker I'm aware of who fails a floor vote has taken their ball and angrily gone home. (By resigning and becoming a political pundit) If Pelosi wants to stay in the house, then sure, she can be the majority whip. What you are describing is the whip's job, more or less.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Oh, spez means edit. And here I thought SA was insular and weird. Two years and they have this whole language unique to their broken brains. If you're wondering, spez is the name of the reddit admin who got caught loving with T_D members by editing their posts e:f,b
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone who unironically thinks that a freshman representative should be Speaker of the House and 3rd in line for the Presidency is a massive idiot. She wouldn't be 3rd in line for the Presidency because ineligible officers are skipped in the line of succession
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If people are seriously against Pelosi because they’re worried that she’s easy red meat for the Republicans to constantly complain about and get their base reved up then what the gently caress do you think is happening with Cortez because the entire right-wing media is flipping the gently caress out and setting the groundwork to do that with her. They will do that to literally every single high profile Dem, especially if they’re a woman.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Is that actually how it works? If someone in the line of succession is too young to run they just get passed over even if the people above them get nuked? Seems counterproductive tbh. Yep, this is part of the law governing the line of succession. If you couldn't have become president via the normal means, too bad, move on to the next person.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Is that actually how it works? If someone in the line of succession is too young to run they just get passed over even if the people above them get nuked? Seems counterproductive tbh. Yeah. You see this occasionally with cabinet secretaries that are naturalized citizens, like Madeline Albright. If they're constitutionally ineligible, they're skipped over for the next person on the list.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Is that actually how it works? If someone in the line of succession is too young to run they just get passed over even if the people above them get nuked? Seems counterproductive tbh. Being at least 35 isn't a requirement to run, it's a requirement to hold the office, full stop. AOC could not be named as VP, and if she were Speaker she would not be in the line of succession until she turned 35.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Is that actually how it works? If someone in the line of succession is too young to run they just get passed over even if the people above them get nuked? Seems counterproductive tbh. Yep. So, anyone who is not old enough to be president should not be considered at all.
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By definition anyone who beat Pelosi and whipped up the votes to become speaker is qualified to be the Speaker, so I wouldn't worry about a dullard getting the job. An rear end in a top hat regressive, on the other hand...
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Spiritus Nox posted:Is that actually how it works? If someone in the line of succession is too young to run they just get passed over even if the people above them get nuked? Seems counterproductive tbh. Yes, although the more usual situation is someone in the line of succession isn't a natural born citizen.
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Tibalt posted:By definition anyone who beat Pelosi and whipped up the votes to become speaker is qualified to be the Speaker, so I wouldn't worry about a dullard getting the job. Literally the only other person who has thrown their name into the ring for the job is far to the right of Pelosi and laments how the Democratic Party has focused too much on social progressivism.
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Rigel posted:Yep. So, anyone who is not old enough to be president should not be considered at all. Eh the House can replace the Speaker at any time if it comes up, also it has never come up.
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not joseph stalin posted:Honestly, Ca probably needs a little redistricting. Republicans won maybe 20% of the house seats but got 35% of the popular house vote. They should realistically get a few more house members. I am continually amazed that this hybrid thread somehow manages to incorporate “Dems bad” with “Maybe Republicans need a break” chat.
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Tibalt posted:I'm pretty sure people would be upset if a Republican ended up as speaker. We don't have to worry about that. A plurality is not good enough, you must have a majority to become speaker. If no one gets a majority, the house votes again. And again. And again, forever, until someone gets a majority.
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Tibalt posted:By definition anyone who beat Pelosi and whipped up the votes to become speaker is qualified to be the Speaker, so I wouldn't worry about a dullard getting the job. I think the problem is that-- since Speaker is elected by the whole house, including republicans-- there might be just enough rebels to vote for somebody else where Pelosi wouldn't get the 218 votes she needs, but nowhere near enough for whoever the rebels pick to get there.
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VitalSigns posted:Eh the House can replace the Speaker at any time if it comes up, also it has never come up. If the President and VP both dropped dead, then Orrin Hatch will race to Justice Roberts house, drag him out of bed, and get sworn in before the bodies are cold.
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So is this the Republican checkmate strategy, wherein the Dems never get a speaker because nobody can get enough votes?
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Rigel posted:If the President and VP both dropped dead, then Orrin Hatch will race to Justice Roberts house, drag him out of bed, and get sworn in before the bodies are cold. It won't be Orrin Hatch, it'll be Chuck Fuckin' Grassley.
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