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I installed mine but I keep forgetting there's anything behind the little door to hide. I remember being amazed it was x128 or something.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Also from Iomega was the Jaz drive which held 1GB or 2GB, with 1GB coming out in 1996: I was going to post earlier about how elaborate physical load mechanisms have kind of disappeared over the years in tandem with removable media. Techmoan goes into this in some of videos, where he opens up CD and laserdisc changers and shows you sophisticated load mechanisms designed entirely to take your media in a satisfying way. I was dicking around with my minidisc player the other day and looking at how the load mechanism unlocks the metal disc protector and slides it open effortlessly. A lot of it is reminiscent of manufacturing robots, and I wonder if there was a cross over in the design of these things. It feels like it was a bit of an art form of the 80s and 90s that's more or less gone now. What little removable media there is now is solid state. Anyway, I think by the time Jaz and zip drives came along, we took for granted that we'd had a good decade or 2 to perfect VCR and CD loading mechanisms. A new media format was hardly going to be as smothe as those right away. I had issues with my first minidisc player, a Samsung I think, not ejecting or not closing the discs. Towards the end of its life the laser became misaligned, and it would make a horrible clicking sound as it tried to move beyond its physical boundary.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:47
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I kind of wonder what mechanical devices a kid growing up today will actually run into? Wind-up toys are out, cassette players are out, as are all other physical media players; you use your phone instead of a physical clock as an alarm ... At this point, what is the most complicated mechanical device a teen is likely to have used? A KitchenAid?
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Nov 14, 2018 21:43
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A toilet, a door lock, a car, a dildo... I could go on
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Nov 14, 2018 21:53
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Lots of kids definitely still have DVD players. They’re cheap as hell and the discs are everywhere. My niece is two and my sister got her a DVD player for the car so they don’t have to rely on a tablet or internet to keep her occupied on long rides.
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Nov 14, 2018 21:59
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mystes posted:lol optical media.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:00
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Instant cameras were popular again for a hot minute. Kids got to use those. My kid does Nerf War at school. Nerf guns are kind of mechanical. poo poo. I think that's it. Umbrellas maybe?
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Nov 14, 2018 22:00
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Collateral Damage posted:I don't think I've owned a device capable of reading optical media in.. uhh.. 6 or 7 years.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:02
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I used my DVD-RW drive like last month, I got a disc from the government with encrypted health care info on it. Other than that I've only used drives to play games in my PS4 and even then not often, since I frequently buy digital.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:20
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Krispy Wafer posted:Instant cameras were popular again for a hot minute. Kids got to use those. poo poo, even by the time my kids are driving they'll have electric cars, which are far simpler machines than internal combustion engines.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:29
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Computer viking posted:cassette players are out Give it time. Eventually insufferable hipsters will decide compact cassettes have "warm" sound or some such bullshit and the medium will see a resurgence.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:29
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Kids still ride bikes and unless you're a weirdo tinkering with carburetors, that's the most complicated item any kid from any generation has ever had to deal with. Until hoverboards or electric scooters take over.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:34
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Geoj posted:Give it time. Eventually insufferable hipsters will decide compact cassettes have "warm" sound or some such bullshit and the medium will see a resurgence. this is already happening, and tapes never even stopped being a thing in the extreme metal and electronic music scenes.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:35
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Some indie groups already self-release on cassette because the equipment is cheap.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:37
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Kwyndig posted:Some indie groups already self-release on cassette because the equipment is cheap. It's not any cheaper - not to mention easier or faster - than self-releasing on CD-R. Unless there's a cheap source for C-cassettes I don't know about.
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Nov 14, 2018 22:44
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Geoj posted:Give it time. Eventually insufferable hipsters will decide compact cassettes have "warm" sound or some such bullshit and the medium will see a resurgence. Cassettes have already made a minor comeback. I know The Prodigy and Aphex Twin have put out cassettes of their latest stuff at least. Me and a mate have a certain fondness for old rave tapes that got passed round, that had a certain lo-fi sound. The slight pitch wobble, the missing higher frequencies, the audio equivalents of those fuzzy lines you get in VCR tapes. Pure nostalgia. I had this one tape that I listened to religiously and some of the songs on there left me cold when I later heard them on CD. It's not warmth so much - I think subtle tears in the sound, and the minute pitch changes as your cheap tape hi fi/Walkman tries to maintain a constant speed. Some of these players would play at completely the wrong speed, so you'd think a song sounded weird if you heard it on the radio. Going through that track list, the songs that I like the tape version of all have either long reverbs or are quite synth heavy. Maybe it just adds a bit character to an otherwise clinical sound. Tldr, I am that hipster. Although I have no particular desire to buy new stuff on tape. EvilGenius has a new favorite as of 23:31 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Nov 14, 2018 23:14
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Metal bands still make tapes because unit cost is 25 cents and you can sell em for $5-$10
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Nov 14, 2018 23:57
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I was at the CEO's house today for a network upgrade and on top of a pile of crap in a spare bedroom was a CD still in a caddy! I can't remember the last time I saw a CD drive that used a caddy. And that CD?  
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Nov 15, 2018 00:03
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Nov 15, 2018 00:08
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Krispy Wafer posted:Instant cameras were popular again for a hot minute. Kids got to use those. The only thing these seem even remotely useful for is something like a wedding guest book, using the little ones that have stickers on the back, which is works suprisingly well for even though they are expensive as poo poo. They still have a very, very niche use.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:45
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Count me in as another who was sad to see the demise of MD when it happened. I converted EVERYTHING to MD after getting tired of CDs getting scratched in the car. I had a couple of portables, a stereo deck (with 4x CD -> MD dubbing!) and a car deck. Tons of accessory poo poo, Case Logic books for the car, holders for home use, etc. Even had a bootlegger stereo microphone built into a set of Croakies eyeglass holders. My first portable (a Sharp, the model number I can't recall) made recordings which sounded better than it sounded to my ears in the actual club. Used to spend WAY too much time print out nice colored labels for discs, and buying cool styled discs from minidisco.com. Then it just....died. I converted reluctantly over to early mp3 players (a Rio Karma being the first, iirc) and eventually to iPods. Still - MD was much more fun.
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Nov 15, 2018 02:39
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Jerry Cotton posted:It's not any cheaper - not to mention easier or faster - than self-releasing on CD-R. Unless there's a cheap source for C-cassettes I don't know about. I've seen smaller labels that get cassettes by bulk-buying cheap albums (an album that sold poorly but got mass-produced in 1988, audiobooks, lecture series, etc) and then just recording over them and putting the label on a sticker. Blank tape on the other hand can get fairly pricey, like $40 for an unused chrome cassette or something.
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Nov 15, 2018 08:18
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I've seen smaller labels that get cassettes by bulk-buying cheap albums (an album that sold poorly but got mass-produced in 1988, audiobooks, lecture series, etc) and then just recording over them and putting the label on a sticker. That's pretty clever, although you have to tape over the hole to be able to record on a pre-recorded C-cassette unless you have a professional recorder which, I should think, negates the "it's cheaper" argument.
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Nov 15, 2018 08:23
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Jerry Cotton posted:That's pretty clever, although you have to tape over the hole to be able to record on a pre-recorded C-cassette unless you have a professional recorder which, I should think, negates the "it's cheaper" argument. You could just jam the write check arm in the deck.
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HaB posted:Count me in as another who was sad to see the demise of MD when it happened. If I had the money I may well have been the same. I made a conscious decision to go minidisc rather than MP3. I make music, and I'd heard that producers would use them to grab samples and as a quick way of getting tracks recorded - the line-in and mic ports were marketed as an advantage. I remember sitting with it hooked up to my telly, recording random stuff. I've still got discs full of random movie dialogue and ambient noise. Another thing you could do with them was split a track anywhere and make a seamless loop by putting the cut track on repeat. Not at all unlike the $1000 samplers that were around at the time.
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Collateral Damage posted:I don't think I've owned a device capable of reading optical media in.. uhh.. 6 or 7 years. I still watch blu rays of films I really like, because they look and sound better than streaming. There's not enough content on 4k blu ray that I care about to consider that upgrade yet, though. I also often buy video games on disc, because then I can sell them when I'm done with them. rndmnmbr posted:To be fair to Sony, there was a time when having an unbeatable music DRM/having the dominant music format that was also unpirateable would have been a license to print money. Companies really wanted a way to stop or crowd out piracy, and would have drowned the first success in money, and by god Sony threw everything at the wall to see what would stick. The early-mid 2000s were insane for invasive DRM. Sony's rootkit was awful, but there was stuff like StarForce DRM on a bunch of Ubisoft games that straight-up broke CD/DVD burners. I bought XIII at retail and my DVD burner completely stopped working until I reformatted and reinstalled Windows. The makers of StarForce put a thing online saying that if you could prove that their DRM broke your hardware, they'd give you $1000* *only eligible in Russia** ** they didn't pay out even if you were in Russia because technically it was possible to make your hardware work again by reformatting your PC, so it wasn't 'broken'.
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Geoj posted:Give it time. Eventually insufferable hipsters will decide compact cassettes have "warm" sound or some such bullshit and the medium will see a resurgence. Take Resident Evil 7 for example. One of the songs in that game is specifically recorded and played on a casette tape because the developers thought it gave the song a unique sound. EDIT: This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPr6Oq2x4PQ WaltherFeng has a new favorite as of 10:50 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Nov 15, 2018 10:48
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I got a physical PC game today and had to rummage around for my external CD drive. I finally get it all set up only to find out the PC box has no disc and just a code to download the program.
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Quote-Unquote posted:The makers of StarForce put a thing online saying that if you could prove that their DRM broke your hardware, they'd give you $1000* This seems like a dumb move in marketing. Like, I’m not going to offer a thousand bucks to prove I was involved in the assassination of JFK. No matter how confident I am that I won’t have to pay out, it’s just bad press.
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But would you offer a hundred thousand bucks to prove that Oswald was? It's barely even related to your analogy, but I hadn't thought about this "game" for a long time. I can't imagine it coming out in today's political climate, and Sniper-Elite-style current-gen graphics would be incredibly tasteless... I guess that makes presidential assassination simulations a failed/obsolete genre?quote:JFK Reloaded puts the player in the role of Lee Harvey Oswald, who was found by five U.S. government investigations to have been Kennedy's assassin. The player is then scored on how closely one's version of the assassination matches the report of the Warren Commission: first shot missed, second hit JFK and Governor Connally and third on JFK's head. According to the company, the primary aim of the game was "to establish the most likely facts of what happened on 1963-11-22 by running the world’s first mass-participation forensic construction", the theory being that a player could help prove that Lee Harvey Oswald had the "means and the opportunity to commit the crime", and thus help prove the Warren Commission's findings. I still have a shelf of Blu-Rays and DVDs, but I donated most of my DVD movies to some charity when I started buying blurays, and playing those on the computer is a slow, frustrating experience. I can't remember the last time I bothered since I got Netflix. If they all got stolen I'd probably struggle to name them outside some beloved TV boxsets, and a few things like The World At War where a later remastered release was awful because they cropped the 4:3 picture to fit widescreen TVs.
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According to youtube 'experts' Sony has not only continued to fail with physical formats but the Playstation Classic is causing the nerds to rage.
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Humphreys posted:the Playstation Classic is causing the nerds to rage.  it's bad so just don't buy it 
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All these mini releases of old computers/consoles are hilarious and I can't figure out why people pay for that.
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Vic posted:All these mini releases of old computers/consoles are hilarious and I can't figure out why people pay for that. I kinda want the Nintendo one to relive my childhood of playing some bad video games.
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I mean buying Switch might be too much if the only thing you're interested in playing are old NES/SNES games but the hardware is so overpriced for what it is. Even counting the games in.
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I'd much rather buy an original console than a mobile processor running an emulator that just happens to be inside a case that looks similar to the original. I know 99% of people won't know the difference, but there's something about knowing that what you're seeing and hearing is all being generated by 80s circuits and processors rather than in software. EvilGenius has a new favorite as of 15:09 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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Geoj posted:Give it time. Eventually insufferable hipsters will decide compact cassettes have "warm" sound or some such bullshit and the medium will see a resurgence. This has already reached saturation
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Krispy Wafer posted:Kids still ride bikes and unless you're a weirdo tinkering with carburetors, that's the most complicated item any kid from any generation has ever had to deal with. Until hoverboards or electric scooters take over. I rebuilt a set of these once. Never again.  Honda GL1000 carbs. It was an awful experience. An amazing example of mechanical engineering, but thankfully obsolete.
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I'm going to see the Backstreet Boys concert next summer. I got sent an email that was like "Hey, you get a free copy of the new album for each ticket you bought, click here". So I did, thinking it'll be a download code or something. Nope, they're sending me 4 physical CDs. I don't think I have a way to play CDs any more. No DVD/Bluray player in the house, haven't had a disc drive in my PC for years, laptop doesn't have one, car has just Bluetooth and Aux In. What the hell am I supposed to do with a CD?
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EvilGenius posted:I'd much rather buy an original console than a mobile processor running an emulator that just happens to be inside a case that looks similar to the original. The SNES Classic sold well because the original hardware costs as much as the microconsole. Whereas with the PS classic, well, you can get a used PS3 for less and it also plays PS3 games. Hell, you can get the OG PS3 for less and that also plays PS2 games through the inbuilt Emotion Engine chip. Speaking of retro consoles, Analogue are bringing out a Mega Drive hardware emulator, which has support for SG-1000, Mark 3, Sega Card, and Game Gear cartridges and allows for a Sega CD plugin… but doesn't support the 32X, mostly because of the cable you have to plug in the back of the original hardware. TinTower has a new favorite as of 16:34 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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