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My prediction: - May allows amendments to the deal, and they all fail as Brexiter and Remainder votes cancel each other out. This is used as evidence that no other deal could pass the commons. - At the last second she declares failure of the deal to pass would constitute a confidence vote leading to a general election. All Tory rebellion evaporates. - The DUP vote against, but only after checking there are enough Labour rebels for the deal to pass. It does.
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Why in gently caress do the FBPE people want a second referendum anyway? They haven't shown any nuance or introspection about the result, there's no new arguments, they haven't shown even a hint of addressing the economic reasons everyone is so hosed off, what are they playing at? It's just a load of rich cunts that, for the first time in their 'Thatcher/Blair/Coalition' lives have suffered a vote that will hurt them some. loving grow up, every government in my lifetime has actively made my life worse to make the rich richer, I don't disregard democracy over it. If there's a second referendum I'm voting Leave, not because leaving won't be poo poo but because we had a loving vote and these FBPErs haven't got a principle or moral bone between them. I hate them more than I hate Farage.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:26
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It is kind of surreal watching people tell corbyn that he needs to back a #peoplesvote if he doesn't like the deal. As opposed to, like, I dunno, voting it down in parliament or winning a GE. No no, another referendum will solve the problem and is obvously more doable than either of the other options.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:38
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There's a fair number of people who don't want a GE but do want Brexit to stop. Unfortunately for them they don't really vote Labour so Corbyn isn't exactly going to go to bat for them.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:39
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Vitamin P posted:Why in gently caress do the FBPE people want a second referendum anyway? They haven't shown any nuance or introspection about the result, there's no new arguments, they haven't shown even a hint of addressing the economic reasons everyone is so hosed off, what are they playing at? It's just a load of rich cunts that, for the first time in their 'Thatcher/Blair/Coalition' lives have suffered a vote that will hurt them some. loving grow up, every government in my lifetime has actively made my life worse to make the rich richer, I don't disregard democracy over it. It's because liberal petty bourg people absolutely cannot handle not getting their way.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:39
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Whenever the people's vote thing comes up, I'm going to think of that estate agent who saw one branch lose £140,000 in fees in one month through sales falling through due to Brexit uncertainty who then wanted the hardest possible Brexit and think that maybe this decision shouldn't be put in the hands of the people
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Nov 15, 2018 01:44
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jabby posted:- At the last second she declares failure of the deal to pass would constitute a confidence vote leading to a general election. All Tory rebellion evaporates. Yep, and one thing to keep in mind is that there's probably going to be like a month between now and the actual vote, that might make May's hand stronger as well w.r.t. rebellion-crushing. Well, probably, just guessing here
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Nov 15, 2018 01:46
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jabby posted:My prediction: This seems depressingly plausible. ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Whenever the people's vote thing comes up, I'm going to think of that estate agent who saw one branch lose £140,000 in fees in one month through sales falling through due to Brexit uncertainty who then wanted the hardest possible Brexit and think that maybe this decision shouldn't be put in the hands of the people In London, isn't that like one sale?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:In London, isn't that like one sale? if it was London, yeah but this wasn't London
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Nov 15, 2018 01:48
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what if we just cancel brexit and dont tell anyone
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Nov 15, 2018 01:51
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:what if we just cancel brexit and dont tell anyone
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Vitamin P posted:If there's a second referendum I'm voting Leave, not because leaving won't be poo poo but because we had a loving vote and these FBPErs haven't got a principle or moral bone between them. I hate them more than I hate Farage. Steady on now, let’s not say anything we don’t mean. Also, voting against your own interests out of spite is what the Tories are counting on to stay in power. So good job enabling that I guess?
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:what if we just cancel brexit and dont tell anyone I've maintained this whole time that the wisest possible option is "don't and say we did". It's in everyone involved's best interests. The EU get to hold us up as an example, we get to #takebackcontrol, Big Dave on the street gets to live and die in Free Britane, and we don't need to organize ourselves into tribes for scavenging the dustlands.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I've maintained this whole time that the wisest possible option is "don't and say we did". It's in everyone involved's best interests. The EU get to hold us up as an example, we get to #takebackcontrol, Big Dave on the street gets to live and die in Free Britane, and we don't need to organize ourselves into tribes for scavenging the dustlands. I'm definitely in for the Quantum Brexit Superposition.
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minema posted:The secretary for the local Labour branch came round today to ask if I'd be attending the voting for our new councillor and seemed mildly disapproving that I'd missed the shortlisting meeting. I didn't know joining Labour would lead to these sorts of interruptions in my dinner or I might not have bothered! Wait - you get competition for local councillor selections? We have a press gang. 
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Nov 15, 2018 02:10
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Vitamin P posted:If there's a second referendum I'm voting Leave, not because leaving won't be poo poo but because we had a loving vote and these FBPErs haven't got a principle or moral bone between them. I hate them more than I hate Farage. Voting leave to own the lib (dems)
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Nov 15, 2018 02:12
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Beefeater1980 posted:Steady on now, let’s not say anything we don’t mean. Guardian Soul Mates incarnate weighs in. Since I don't believe in violent revolution my best interests require democratic votes for policies which liberals will whinge about. A society that priorities liberals whinging over democracy is literally incapable of supporting my best interest. This is basic and obvious stuff.
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Nov 15, 2018 02:17
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i hope there's a leadership contest, it'll be fun to watch with all the enmity going down
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Nov 15, 2018 02:18
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I'm holding out hope for a GE and a 2nd referendum personally. It'll effectively be a public vote on this deal. I think the turnout for remain will be a lot higher now.
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Nov 15, 2018 02:21
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Vitamin P posted:Guardian Soul Mates incarnate weighs in. Since I don't believe in violent revolution my best interests require democratic votes for policies which liberals will whinge about. A society that priorities liberals whinging over democracy is literally incapable of supporting my best interest. This is basic and obvious stuff. Accelerationism doesn't work and only harms the people at the bottom of the stack.
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Nov 15, 2018 02:25
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Accelerationism doesn't work and only harms the people at the bottom of the stack. Agreed but respecting a referendum result isn't accelerationism so what's your point?
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Nov 15, 2018 02:29
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Vitamin P posted:Agreed but respecting a referendum result isn't accelerationism so what's your point? My point is voting for policy in line with fascists because there's some people on twitter you don't like feels a bit like you're not considering a bigger picture. To use the tortured busdriver metaphor that comes up with Brexit a lot, you're demanding the bus be driven over the cliff because the person saying it's a bad idea has bad breath.
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Nov 15, 2018 02:32
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I think the solution that will prevent itself in 20 years to policy hacks who spend all their time moaning about why people didn't see their ideas through is going to be really annoying,
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Nov 15, 2018 02:33
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Nice to see UKIP is taking this well https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1062866528943702016
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Nov 15, 2018 02:33
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Apraxin posted:Nice to see UKIP is taking this well Is that....Chamberlain? E: It is, from his "Peace In Our Time" speech. Did they really think this through?
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Nov 15, 2018 02:35
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:My point is voting for policy in line with fascists because there's some people on twitter you don't like feels a bit like you're not considering a bigger picture. So you actually weren't talking about accelerationalism then, fine and grand, I got confused because you talked about accelerationalism. TBH if you want to overturn a peoples vote because of the musings and implied superior acumen of an intellectual overclass then I'd be hesitant about calling other people fascists. And that metaphor is absolute dogshit.
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Nov 15, 2018 02:52
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Vitamin P posted:If there's a second referendum I'm voting Leave, not because leaving won't be poo poo but because we had a loving vote and these FBPErs haven't got a principle or moral bone between them. I hate them more than I hate Farage. Love voting to crash the country to own the libs. Anyway, maybe a way this could pan out is that May passes the deal by getting votes from Labour MPs with the price being a guaranteed second referendum with a straight yes/no on the deal, with no being staying in the EU. This would mean that no deal would definitely not happen, and we would probably end up staying in the EU since no one likes this awful deal. Well, it’s a nice thought, at any rate. Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Nov 15, 2018 03:11
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Apraxin posted:Um...... Its because earlier in the day all the people actually involved in the business of making people not die dragged him into a room and pinned his eyes open to the fact that all the medicines would run out and the ones that don't would cost 2 billion more. Like any idiot could have figured out. Whats surprising to me here is that I thought these guys were well aware and treating this as a feature not a bug so I dunno.
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Nov 15, 2018 03:12
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jBrereton posted:They would claim literally anything was either a betrayal or the best possible, most vital deal for their constituents depending on what they thought would give them the most power and potential leverage in the future. Currently that is grandstanding, we'll see if it's changed by tomorrow. Nope, the DUP will burn down literally any and everything else needed to maintain what is, in their view, The Union. Like yeah in normal times they'd want to just carry on milking the government for cash for Norn Iron (And it's not the worse pork ever, given how much poverty the place still has to overcome) but Brexit is a far bigger deal than any money short of making Arlene the world's first multi-trillionaire so she can just buy everything on these islands and unify them under the Red Hand and Orange Sash.
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Bella Caledonia did a good piece on Andrew Neil https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/11/14/brillos-brexit-and-the-museum-of-communist-terror/
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Regarde Aduck posted:If you're in the position to start a new life in Australia I don't think you're doing too bad. Want a house? gently caress off, mate. Want a car? gently caress off, mate. Want stable employment and livable hours? gently caress off, mate. Want a contract that isn't total bullshit? gently caress off, mate. Want a stable healthcare system that isn't going to be sold off in order to privatise it? gently caress off, mate. Want childcare? gently caress off, mate. Want a future? gently caress off, mate. I haven't actually looked that closely at australia.
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Nov 15, 2018 05:38
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THIS IS ARE DEPENDENCE DAY
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Maybe it's all a plan to solve the planet's energy issues by hooking Big Ian's body up to a dynamo and then doing... this
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Ms Adequate posted:Nope, the DUP will burn down literally any and everything else needed to maintain what is, in their view, The Union. Like yeah in normal times they'd want to just carry on milking the government for cash for Norn Iron (And it's not the worse pork ever, given how much poverty the place still has to overcome) but Brexit is a far bigger deal than any money short of making Arlene the world's first multi-trillionaire so she can just buy everything on these islands and unify them under the Red Hand and Orange Sash. I would take twenty years of fleg chat over Brexit
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Nov 15, 2018 07:44
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So I became an officer of my CLP last night and then immediately regretted it as we engaged in a very woolly discussion on social care.
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Vitamin P posted:Why in gently caress do the FBPE people want a second referendum anyway? They haven't shown any nuance or introspection about the result, there's no new arguments, they haven't shown even a hint of addressing the economic reasons everyone is so hosed off, what are they playing at? It's just a load of rich cunts that, for the first time in their 'Thatcher/Blair/Coalition' lives have suffered a vote that will hurt them some. loving grow up, every government in my lifetime has actively made my life worse to make the rich richer, I don't disregard democracy over it.  conveniently, the ukips might just agree with your sentiment there! Surprise Giraffe fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/ShaileshVara/status/1062971538977234944?s=19 Here we go? c0burn fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Nov 15, 2018 08:50
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Junior minister. They're expendable.
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*looks fondly at photos of precious memories on desk* *presses ejector seat button as Arlene kicks the door in*
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