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Is the deal all that bad or just politically unpalatable?
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Maybe a combination of the two and also this is a prime opportunity to try and put yourself forward for the Tory leadership.
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Nov 15, 2018 11:00
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Zeroisanumber posted:Is the deal all that bad or just politically unpalatable? Both really. A lot of the Brexit support relied on never saying what Brexit actually was. We’ve just reached a point where it was no longer possible to do that.
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Nov 15, 2018 11:04
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Esther McVey has gone now too. Good riddance. e: and two more junior ministers. Kick the lot of them out and start again imo it dont matter has issued a correction as of 11:32 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Nov 15, 2018 11:17
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Zeroisanumber posted:Is the deal all that bad or just politically unpalatable? the deal is bad if you’re a Brexiter because it’s not brexitty enough and bad if you’re a Remainer because it’s still Brexit if you accept that Brexit has to happen it’s about as soft a Brexit as you can get and therefore a good deal so both sides want to face the deal down for their own reasons - but one side is going to lose badly when we get either hard Brexit, or no Brexit at all
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Nov 15, 2018 12:14
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Is there a pdf or some key points you guys have found? Being a UK citizen living in an EU country, I'd like to know how hosed I'll be come March
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Nov 15, 2018 12:19
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Captain Splendid posted:Is there a pdf or some key points you guys have found? If you've 5 years residence you'll be alright I think.
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Nov 15, 2018 12:20
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Captain Splendid posted:Is there a pdf or some key points you guys have found? one of the earliest agreements was that Eu/uk citizens should have their current rights preserved I expect you to be fine in any circumstance
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Nov 15, 2018 12:22
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Pissflaps posted:the deal is bad if you’re a Brexiter because it’s not brexitty enough and bad if you’re a Remainer because it’s still Brexit under the current deal is UK still in the single market with freedom of movement and all that? I cba reading the thing
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Nov 15, 2018 12:26
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Some dude just phoned up James O'Brien crying about what a horrible mistake he'd made by voting leave. Good for him for waking up, but it's a couple years late.
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Nov 15, 2018 12:32
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Martout posted:under the current deal is UK still in the single market with freedom of movement and all that? I cba reading the thing this deal is only the exit deal - it covers how things would work while we negotiate any trade deal with the Eu, so anything in it is temporary the uk wouldn’t be in *the* single market, but in *a* single market with the Eu, abiding by the same rules, but not in a position to influence them - which is the problem with it. it’s also essentially open ended. tbh I don’t know how freedom of movement has been affected. I cba reading it either.
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Nov 15, 2018 12:34
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alphabettitouretti posted:Some dude just phoned up James O'Brien crying about what a horrible mistake he'd made by voting leave. my hope is it isn’t
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Nov 15, 2018 12:34
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alphabettitouretti posted:Some dude just phoned up James O'Brien crying about what a horrible mistake he'd made by voting leave. Hope that makes its way onto Twitter, I need some fuel.
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Nov 15, 2018 12:38
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https://twitter.com/ianbirrell/status/1062773934192553984
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Nov 15, 2018 12:47
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https://twitter.com/PaulJSweeney/st...ingawful.com%2F https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1063031031081648128?s=19 
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Nov 15, 2018 12:56
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https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1063036634189447168
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Nov 15, 2018 13:01
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Looking forward to the bloodshed after this deal is rejected.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:05
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can't bog the mogg
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Nov 15, 2018 13:06
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i'm the guy in the orange tie
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Nov 15, 2018 13:07
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daddy jezza
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Nov 15, 2018 13:08
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i don't know all that much about how uk politics works, but could this result in another snap election?
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Nov 15, 2018 13:09
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May is getting absolutely pounded in the parliament, but I don't usually watch this stuff so maybe that's just the norm. Crazy stuff though.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:10
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I honestly think May will hold on, but that the vote on the plan will fail.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:11
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i don't know all that much about how uk politics works, but could this result in another snap election? Ehhhhh If the DUP stops supporting the government, then probably yes. If they're sated with ditching May for another leader, then there's nothing stopping them trucking on til 2022
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Nov 15, 2018 13:12
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i don't know all that much about how uk politics works, but could this result in another snap election? it could but not directly a new Tory leader would mean a new prime minister, but that doesn’t necessitate an election however a new leader - or May - might see it as a risky way to break the Brexit impasse
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Nov 15, 2018 13:12
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Nurge posted:May is getting absolutely pounded in the parliament, but I don't usually watch this stuff so maybe that's just the norm. Crazy stuff though.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:13
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Nurge posted:May is getting absolutely pounded in the parliament, but I don't usually watch this stuff so maybe that's just the norm. Crazy stuff though. Not normally like this at all. This is a can thats been kicked as far down the road as possible finally reaching deadline.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:15
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i don't know all that much about how uk politics works, but could this result in another snap election? It's my understanding that if May gets no-confidence'd, the issue will come down to whether the Tories will be able to select a new leader among themselves. If they can't, then the UK gets another election. I believe the Tories that dislike May are being careful about this, because they're more afraid of a Labour government should another election happen.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:24
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https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/1062684649749708800
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Nov 15, 2018 13:28
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's my understanding that if May gets no-confidence'd, the issue will come down to whether the Tories will be able to select a new leader among themselves.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:34
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A change of leadership is just more can-kicking. Whoever ends up in charge still has to face up to the fact that there is no deal that everyone will agree on, and a no deal Brexit would be a complete disaster.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:36
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https://twitter.com/Damian_Barr/status/1063009559969755136 lol
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Nov 15, 2018 13:38
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at this point what sane person would even want to take over?
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Nov 15, 2018 13:38
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Martout posted:at this point what sane person would even want to take over? I was about to say Boris but then noticed you wrote sane.
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Nov 15, 2018 13:42
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Trying to find the celebrated :spill: image from auspol in solidarity
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Nov 15, 2018 13:42
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https://twitter.com/robertpopper/status/1063051511721349120
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Nov 15, 2018 13:51
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Martout posted:at this point what sane person would even want to take over? You might get Jo Johnson making a run as a remain Tory The Tory governing and voting coalition relies on being able to deliver Brexit though. The fact that they can't means they are pretty hosed Basically the only hope for the Tories is that the ERG are more scared of a GE and possible Labour government than no brexit
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Nov 15, 2018 13:57
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Trying to find the celebrated :spill: image from auspol in solidarity 
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Nov 15, 2018 14:02
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I loving wish we just abandoned  here in the states and just had burn fests like this
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Nov 15, 2018 14:06
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is the Tory party going to split itself over this?
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