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BizarroAzrael posted:There's no way the Tories would go into a new GE with her is there? I was thinking maybe she thinks she can pull a Corbyn and run again, but I'm not really up to speed on the 1922 bollocks. It would be great if she did then lost out to gove or someone.... e: more bollocks page snipe, 136 is the number of seats lost by the tories in the next GE.
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She can’t run in the leadership after a 1922 motion, but nothing is stopping her crushing the saboteurs again and calling a GE.
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waffle posted:I'd think a leadership challenge knowing that there are no appealing alternative candidates, but who knows, I didn't expect her to want the 2017 snap election so... IIRC, at first she didn't either, but was eventually persuaded by her advisors that it would crush labour, and give her a mandate for Brexit, and "legitimise" her leadership - ignoring for the moment that we don't elect a leader, as such, but they were looking at Brown, and the reaction to him following after Blair and not calling an election. I could have got that above all wrong, but vaguely recall reading it in one of the books about the election.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:17
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It was mostly the crush labour but also to get rid of the hard-brexiteers' ability to scupper her votes. And look where that's gotten her lmao
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Nov 15, 2018 14:19
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From the Tory point of view - if you don't kick May out now, you're left with her till November 2019. Given this deal she just proposed is obviously going to fail... then what do you in say March 2019 when we've either No-Dealed or pulled back from the brink? Get stuck with a lame duck leader for 6 months? Might just be easier to kick her out now, and gamble the dice on getting a better leader in now.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:19
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Great news lads, 80% of the British Public back Theresa May's deal. https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1063053958971703296
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Nov 15, 2018 14:20
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Hopefully someone's in her ear again this time about saboteur crushing
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Nov 15, 2018 14:20
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Theresa May was blameless, everything that went wrong with the election was due to the two patsies who we just forced out
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Nov 15, 2018 14:21
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I think this is pretty demonstrative of why Corbyns "strategic ambiguity" was absolutely necessary. The moment he takes a strong position on it the media narrative would immediately switch to being about Corbyn rather than about Brexit. I can practically see the thoughtful Guardian opeds (Did Corbyn fatally undermine Brexit?) and fair-and-balanced Sun headlines (TRAITOR CORBYN STEALS BREXIT). It would be "Broon spent all the poonds" all over again. Brexit has to be undeniable shitshow in its own right for there to be any chance of turning it around. I genuinely dont think the Tories would be imploding like this if Labour were vocally anti-Brexit cos theyd have someone to blame besides each other.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:22
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Don't Lol me posted:I was thinking maybe she thinks she can pull a Corbyn and run again, but I'm not really up to speed on the 1922 bollocks. Labour didn't have a formal process for no-confidence on a leader, only for triggering a leadership contest. So the ambiguity was, did he still get to stand in the triggered contest if he wanted? And the answer was yes, since the no-confidence vote didn't mean anything. Tory party rules are clearer. A certain % of Tory MPs can call a no-confidence vote via the 1922 committee, then it goes to the whole group of tory MPs, if the leader wins continue for a year, if they lose new leadership election, same rules as before.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:23
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Sign guy is back on sky news.
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Tesseraction posted:Okay I don't want to laugh at a foreign name but CHAMBOUS BARALAMBOUS sounds like a comedy character.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:24
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Sky news reports chief whip meeting the head of the 1922 committee.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:25
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God, I hope this doesn't end up as a trap for Corbs if a GE is called, Brexit is a radioactive hot potato at the moment. If anything it would be better to let Labour Brexiters bail May out just long enough to get it done. Otherwise Corbyn is going to be blamed by the press for the whole thing because well they have no shame and everyone knows it.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:27
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Ardennes posted:God, I hope this doesn't end up as a trap for Corbs if a GE is called, Brexit is a radioactive hot potato at the moment. If anything it would be better to let Labour Brexiters bail May out just long enough to get it done. Arzy parachute spotted (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 15, 2018 14:28
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Twitter post dump, first something lighthearted https://twitter.com/AnnPettifor/status/1063059539858210816 Second, Mogg's letter of no confidence https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1063059437047431168
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Nov 15, 2018 14:28
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Ardennes posted:God, I hope this doesn't end up as a trap for Corbs if a GE is called, Brexit is a radioactive hot potato at the moment. If anything it would be better to let Labour Brexiters bail May out just long enough to get it done. If Corbyn wins a GE you can be assured that he'll be pushing through the Leveson recommendations as a high priority.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:29
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Next pm just call a 2nd referendum and bask in the public applause even if your party and the daily maol rag on you about it. It’d all be forgotten in a few years once its cancelled.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:30
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Haha ERG are useless. https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1063061297573646336 The fact they can't get the numbers yet, really shows even if they get over the limit its only going to be 'just' over it.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:31
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Yess walking corpse government until Christmas.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:31
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ukle posted:Haha ERG are useless. 
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Nov 15, 2018 14:32
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I'm not in favour of the deal obviously, but among the many things I don't get how Brexiteers can state with a straight face can say this isn't a legitimate interpretation of the Leave vote. Anyone who wanted this deal, or Norway, or Canada+++++ would have had to vote Leave to get it, as Remain meant stay the same. So this is a Leave outcome. If they splutter out that it doesn't meet what they personally wanted out of Brexit, it admits that the Leave vote is a wide array of options without a holding majority. If this can't be read as what Leave meant, why does No Deal mean it, when anyone who wanted this would have voted Leave. The soundbite I want to catch on is the Bait and Switch Brexit. You promise you can get a Better than Norway deal, and then pretend that all along it was about cutting all ties. It's why they refuse to re-run the vote, because if you qualify that difference, Leave doesn't win.
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Rakosi posted:bask in the public applause ??? Edit: Seriously, have you slept through the last two years somehow?
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ukle posted:Haha ERG are useless.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:33
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Absolutely no one wants to be Tory Leader right now and May refuses to resign or call a GE. Gonna be cool not having a government for a while.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:34
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ukle posted:Haha ERG are useless. Ah, give them time, if we're still in this situation come bedtime tonight then fair enough. Rakosi posted:Next pm just call a 2nd referendum and bask in the public applause even if your party and the daily maol rag on you about it. It’d all be forgotten in a few years once its cancelled. Honestly at this point it's less likely to be the Mail than the Sun & Times & Telegraph that get mad. Mail has moderated noticeably since Dacre hosed off into the sunset.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:34
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At least Prime Minister Gove might help secure some trade deals with BLUE HADES post-Brexit.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:35
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Random Integer posted:I think this is pretty demonstrative of why Corbyns "strategic ambiguity" was absolutely necessary. American here... Is there any way for Corbyn to support a new referendum and not undermine himself? I get the impression that he never wanted the UK to be part of the European Union in the first place. How much of Labour is Remain?
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Brony Car posted:American here... The labour membership is solidly remain but the labour voting block is marginally leave.
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ukle posted:Haha ERG are useless. They definitely have the numbers to trigger it but don't have the votes to force May out when she inevitably fights the challenge. If she survives, they can't challenge her again for another year and her position is strengthened. Has to make more sense from their perspective to have deal inevitably fail in Parliament and attempt to install a True Brexit Believer in the aftermath.
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madey posted:The labour membership is solidly remain but the labour voting block is marginally leave. No it isn't. Two thirds of Labour voters in 2017 backed Remain.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:39
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Potentially some good news https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1063059121673588736 God, one of the most staggeringly incompetent Ministers this country has had, across a number of briefs, from Justice to Leader of the House & now at Transport. Somehow the bumbling oaf has been either a Minister or Shadow Minister since 2005, since Michael Howard was Tory leader. loving hell. And we could be rid of him at last. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1063044817184309248 And I guess this means May is doomed now, she's gotten the Dan Hodges seal of approval. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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madey posted:The labour membership is solidly remain but the labour voting block is marginally leave. That's sounds horrible. Under 35s are solidly Remain, right? Is a Second Referendum just a pipe dream? Or do pro-Remain people still need more time to make the case for just forgetting this all happened?
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Brony Car posted:American here... Unless Labour can put forward some kind of plausible sounding strategy that would make northern towns less desolate, the people there are still not going to want to hear it, and the leadership being a bunch of Londoners doesn't help with this.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That's an... interesting political move by May/her people - if he turns it down and quits it gives them an instant attack line of "So you disagree but are unwilling to help make something better?". If he takes it there's not really an opportunity for him to quit until after the transition deal is done, and as that'll never match up to the unicorn poo poo he's been espousing he'll be completely neutered. nah. he can turn it down on the grounds that the last 2 dexeu ministers have quit because May wouldn't let them actually do that job. no reason to assume the third would be given any more freedom.
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Nov 15, 2018 14:42
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Im starting to think i would be better at the job than these dumbos. How do i become a minister?
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jBrereton posted:Most of Labour's membership voted to remain, many of its constituencies voted to leave, and a lot of time has been spent since the vote by the party leadership talking up all the cool investment they'd be able to do once we left (not necessarily with any eye on reality) and thusfar very little has been spent on saying what they would do to make postindustrial towns less poo poo if we stayed in because until just before summer actually leaving seemed very likely whereas now with a whole 4 1/2 months left until we leave it's up in their air again. So in places like Sunderland, Leave is still a popular idea? I know Liverpool ended up going for Remain. I don't know how Leave helps the north.
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https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1063061390179614721 gove's staying put at defra, which i guess means he's out?
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Rakosi posted:Im starting to think i would be better at the job than these dumbos. How do i become a minister?
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