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Dexo posted:There was only 1 tournament? there was one tournament, but it was most of the manga. his(?) later works skipped the pretense and were more like 95% tournament.
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Jose posted:Harem manga are bad and you should feel bad for reading them You should read my monster secret imo
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Nov 16, 2018 01:37
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I'm going to continue reading harem manga and shounen manga and H-manga.
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Nov 16, 2018 03:01
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's funny that rokudou's magic charm is one of the most believable setups for a protag being so popular of any harem manga I find it helps a lot when it's remotely believable for people to be attracted to the protagonist. We Never Learn is decent with this, since the protagonist is a fairly good looking guy who is responsible and has his poo poo together. I also find that it's flat-out necessary for romance to not be the focus, since the premise is almost always inherently ridiculous and doesn't work well if all it has going for it is the romance. This is the main reason We Never Learn is better than Gotoubun no Hanayome (the manga with an amusingly similar premise); it's primarily a comedy, while the latter is more of a romance with comedic aspects. There's also kind of a fine line between "harem" and "romance with multiple possible partners." I feel like the main characteristic of the former is there being more than 3 "contenders" and it being established very early that they're all clearly interested in the protagonist (as opposed to a situation where a romance is gradually developed over the story).
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Nov 16, 2018 03:14
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I care very little for most of the humor in We Can't Study but I profoundly do not understand how anyone can make it through the chapters with the teacher, they are so god drat awful. Gotoubun having none of that garbage alone is more than enough for me to put it way above it.
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Nov 16, 2018 03:27
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Jose posted:Harem manga are bad and you should feel bad for reading them No way, Jose.
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Nov 16, 2018 03:35
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the most important metric is which has the cuter art, so we never learn is better. tho they're both pretty standard harem mangas as far as I can tell. only read a little here and there because people keep talking about them here tho, so I could be missing something not really seeing how the protag of we never learn is anything but average. he's the standard plain nice guy/oblivious protag
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Nov 16, 2018 03:39
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Nate RFB posted:I care very little for most of the humor in We Can't Study but I profoundly do not understand how anyone can make it through the chapters with the teacher, they are so god drat awful. Gotoubun having none of that garbage alone is more than enough for me to put it way above it. Sensei is love is how.
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Nate RFB posted:I care very little for most of the humor in We Can't Study but I profoundly do not understand how anyone can make it through the chapters with the teacher, they are so god drat awful. Gotoubun having none of that garbage alone is more than enough for me to put it way above it.  I also prefer Gotoubun
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Nate RFB posted:I care very little for most of the humor in We Can't Study but I profoundly do not understand how anyone can make it through the chapters with the teacher, they are so god drat awful. Gotoubun having none of that garbage alone is more than enough for me to put it way above it. I'm sorry you hate fun.
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Manatee Cannon posted:the most important metric is which has the cuter art, so we never learn is better. tho they're both pretty standard harem mangas as far as I can tell. only read a little here and there because people keep talking about them here tho, so I could be missing something I only read the first volume-ish of Gotoubun and while I can definitely see the appeal because the art and the girls are cute and it seemed charming, if I have to compare it to WNL I do prefer WNL. WRT to Gotobun, I think starting with all five right off the bat and doing a "secret childhood friend" hook were both aspects I didn't care for. WNL was nice in that it doesn't do the latter at all and the cast is built up slowly with Uruka being introduced later on and then Sensei and Senpai, but it's not even a full blown harem yet. Uruka was the only one starting off in love with the protag until Rizu realized it. Fumino definitely is even if she doesn't admit it, but Sensei and Senpai have only been in some romantically tinged situations so while fans can root for them their feelings for him are not a factor in their chapters at all yet, they're just gags and fun, which makes for entertaining breaks. If the humor works for you, that is, I know some people here don't care for it.
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Was everyone this head over heals for Nisekoi when it was going and I just hadn't realized, or was the pain from losing Double Arts the main reason that was (rightfully) regarded as the generic junk that it was
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Nov 16, 2018 12:39
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Nisekoi had it's ups and downs. I still think that when it comes to harem romcom manga. Both Nisekoi and We Never Learn are about as good as it gets. It's not my genre at all, but I like these lovable idiots.
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Nov 16, 2018 13:08
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I think when I really sit down and really think about it, The World God Only Knows was my favorite harem series. Its final arc was probably it at its weakest but it had such high highs prior to that and a genuinely good cast who grew quite a lot over the course of the story.
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Nov 16, 2018 13:55
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Have either of you read My Monster Secret? Because once it gets past its initial hurdles, not only is it hilarious, charming, and has quite a few great emotional moments, but it also has a genuinely great romance. I dunno if it even counts as harem, it's marked as such on various reader sites but there's only ever a handful of girls interested and even then kuromine never really takes his eyes off of Youko. Strong ending, too. Shame it didn't just continue into the college years and instead the author went on to do that one series that just got canned.
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Nov 16, 2018 14:14
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I was there from start to finish on Jitsu Wa, friend. It's semantics really but I don't think of that as a harem series in the same way as some of the previously mentioned ones because there was only ever One Girl from the start and that never really changed or was even challenged/questioned in the narrative.
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Nov 16, 2018 14:17
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I thought you were, but wasn't sure.
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Nov 16, 2018 14:18
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Nisekoi had fantastic reaction faces. Like, say what you want about the story (and there's plenty to pick apart, tbqh), but the drat reaction faces Komi drew were off the hook. Like, in my heart, pound for pound, my favorite shounen romcom shenanigans manga is still My Monster Secret (which also had some fantastic reaction faces), but Nisekoi was like Komi knows how to get that hard belly laugh out of you through those faces.
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Jose posted:Harem manga are bad and you should feel bad for reading them 
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Captain Invictus posted:Have either of you read My Monster Secret? Because once it gets past its initial hurdles, not only is it hilarious, charming, and has quite a few great emotional moments, but it also has a genuinely great romance. I dunno if it even counts as harem, it's marked as such on various reader sites but there's only ever a handful of girls interested and even then kuromine never really takes his eyes off of Youko. Strong ending, too. Shame it didn't just continue into the college years and instead the author went on to do that one series that just got canned. Oh no, I liked his new series. 
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Nov 16, 2018 16:34
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Wait, Weekly Hachi got canned? No way. 
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Personally I thought the new one was dull as poo poo and while the comedy was okay the melodrama just did not work, at all. Bakuman at least felt like it was teaching stuff about and had a fairly realistic situation for the manga industry ("watch a writer/artist duo struggle trying to find a sustainable series and begin to climb the career ladder, supported by their colleagues working in various genres"), Literally A Manga Battle Tower School was just really dumb.
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the dude's just so amazingly good at making slapstick comedy that an attempt at a more serious series could never measure up
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Yeah.  I guess I got on Masuda's Manga Battle Tower School dumb ride in part due to the fact that I enjoyed and sincerely consider My Monster Secret one of the funniest mangas from the past decade. Also because while How to Make an Invisible Man and Sakura Discord were also short-lived, it showed that Masuda does have it in him to mix it up, even if dumb and endearing characters are his powerhouse and calling card.
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Jose posted:Harem manga are bad and you should feel bad for reading them Does Watamote count as one yet?
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Ucchi definitely thinks it does.
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Manatee Cannon posted:not really seeing how the protag of we never learn is anything but average. he's the standard plain nice guy/oblivious protag He's oblivious, but he is at least shown to be a poor person who works really hard to get good grades and is good with household chores (and I think cooking also). He gets credit for having his poo poo together more than the vast majority of teenage boys. Goutoubun's love interests are all pretty boring, and none are as fun as Fumino or the senpai girl (Asumi IIRC?) from We Never Learn. Pretty much all of them fit a clear stereotype.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:45
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I haven't read a lot of this kind of manga since it's not really my thing, but most of those are in like all of them. not always all of them at once, but every protag has at least a couple of those traits
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I dunno most Harem protags, either intentionally or unintentionally are assholes.
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Im not sure rokudou is really a harem series either. each girl falls in love with him at the start of their arc because of the curse but with one recent exception it seems like after they reform and the curse wears off they just see him as a friend. Plus the art is kind of distasteful so none of the girls are cute
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halleys comet posted:Plus the art is kind of distasteful so none of the girls are cute hosed up opinion.
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the art is a little weird in rokudou, let's be real but yea it's not really a harem
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Nov 17, 2018 03:18
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Its true that its the first manga to feature a moe loan shark which i think is a concept with a lot of potential. If any mangaka reading this is interested in making a romcom where a gal teases a shy loner by breaking his kneecaps when he cant keep up with exorbitant interest rates pm me for more ideas.
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Nov 17, 2018 03:49
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i could never get past how hosed up the premise of rokudou is.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i could never get past how hosed up the premise of rokudou is.
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Nov 17, 2018 07:19
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Rokudou is a good boy who just wants to make friends.
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Nov 17, 2018 07:23
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TriffTshngo posted:Rokudou is a good boy who just wants to make friends.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i could never get past how hosed up the premise of rokudou is. neither could rokudou
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i could never get past how hosed up the premise of rokudou is. The premise is handled very well, IMO.
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Like I think it's completely fair to be skeptical, but it really isn't skeevy literally at all.
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