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Wow. That is some scorched earth brand management. I'm pretty sure it's the right decision from Paradox though, assuming they want to salvage as much of the IP as possible.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:31
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grassy gnoll posted:If only someone could have foreseen this outcome, somehow. 
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Nov 16, 2018 18:33
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Rip White Wolf, choked on own vomit
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Nov 16, 2018 18:47
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losing control of my company, to own the libs
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Nov 16, 2018 18:52
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I thought this passage was strong, and gets to exactly what the Swedracula/Zakattack version of the WoD got wrongquote:Horror should not be afraid to explore difficult or sensitive topics, but it should never do so without understanding who those topics are about and what it means to them. Real evil does exist in the world, and we can’t ever excuse its real perpetrators or cheapen the suffering of its real victims.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:21
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FMguru posted:I thought this passage was strong, and gets to exactly what the Swedracula/Zakattack version of the WoD got wrong Something something true art transgresses something something.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:24
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Dawgstar posted:Something something true art transgresses something something. Here I can find the exact quote for you. 
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Nov 16, 2018 19:29
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Nuns with Guns posted:Is Venger the one who was banned from RPGnet for trying to put an IRL hex on someone? Wait, I think I remember that, didn't he refer to it as a "Purple Spell"?
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Nov 16, 2018 19:34
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That's the bunny.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:41
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Ronwayne posted:Wait, I think I remember that, didn't he refer to it as a "Purple Spell"? He appealed his ban, which let me post this: quote:Following an appeal and a review of the relevant threads, the Administrators have decided to grant Darrick3909’s appeal and lift his permanent ban despite his past history of invoking Satan and the Most Vicious Demons of Hell to plague the rpg.net Staff.
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So uuuuh, someone on a fan run Vampire Facebook page just posted this.quote:I've been in touch with the author of the Chechnya chapter since more or less a few days after my petition. The issue went from being one from taste to NATIONAL NEWS in Russia. Also, the Chech government claimed it was part of a propaganda effort of the West to discredit them and wanted people arrested. This is now about the safety of WW's people living in Russia. Someone further down the comment chain then posted this link. https://hybridtechcar.com/2018/11/1...E9Ja00oi-KK42R4 edit: and another. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3800037
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Nov 16, 2018 19:50
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That seems to be the same guy who's been raving about how the book was actually ruined by an evil editor and White Wolf is in no way at fault, so I'd take it with a grain of salt, but yeah, the Chechnyan government seems to have noticed. (Also he's trying to get people to take his good word to RPGnet for him, because he got banned forever for posting Game of Thrones spoilers.)
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Nov 16, 2018 19:58
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Rand Brittain posted:That seems to be the same guy who's been raving about how the book was actually ruined by an evil editor and White Wolf is in no way at fault, so I'd take it with a grain of salt, but yeah, the Chechnyan government seems to have noticed. Yeah he's been running around defending MRH all over the place and insisting he was told that it was only written to 'expose what's happening in Chechnya' which is laughably ridiculous.
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Nov 16, 2018 20:06
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I love how MR*H simultaneously both wrote and did not write the Chechnya chapter.
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Nov 16, 2018 20:11
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Bosushi! posted:So uuuuh, someone on a fan run Vampire Facebook page just posted this. To add to the confusion, a not too well known studio announced “we’re localizing the infamous V5” about an hour ago and then proceeded to delete that post almost immediately. Foglet fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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"The press Secretary of the head of the Chechen Republic Alvi Karimov said that the creators of the game “decided to appear on the popularity of Chechnya and its leadership.” He stressed that a continuation of the information war to demonize Republic. According to TASS, Chechnya considering the possibility of litigation with developers." Uhhhh
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...why would you try to publish White Wolf games in Chechnya at all?
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Rand Brittain posted:...why would you try to publish White Wolf games in Chechnya at all? Chechenya is technically a part of the russian federation, isn't it?
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Nov 16, 2018 20:22
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Rand Brittain posted:...why would you try to publish White Wolf games in Chechnya at all?
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Nov 16, 2018 20:22
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Honestly publishing them in Russia seems like it's going to run you afoul of anti-gay laws unless you bowdlerize them, too, or am I missing something?
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Nov 16, 2018 20:26
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So basically White Wolf has managed to both trivialize persecution and dehumanize its victims, AND piss off the governments involved.
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Rand Brittain posted:Honestly publishing them in Russia seems like it's going to run you afoul of anti-gay laws unless you bowdlerize them, too, or am I missing something? Comrade Gorbash posted:So basically White Wolf has managed to both trivialize persecution and dehumanize its victims, AND piss off the governments involved. Foglet fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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Nov 16, 2018 20:31
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Congrats to the first tabletop RPG company to create an international incident.
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Mormon Star Wars posted:Congrats to the first tabletop RPG company to create an international incident.
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Nov 16, 2018 20:38
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Suiciding your company into an international incident to own the libs.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:14
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I mean I guess swedrac really wanted to make a controversial game and wasn't content with being controversial within the industry.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:29
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imagine being such a bad writer that you are now at risk of black-bagging
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Nov 16, 2018 21:52
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You know with all the talk about the Homosexual Purges in Chechnya it seems like this passage got overlooked...quote:This report provides an analysis of the gradual formation of the dangerous international criminal organization known as Abrek, which is now active mainly in Chechnya but has tentacles spreading throughout the Middle East, Russia, and Europe that takes order only from their leader Aslan and their ruling body “The Duma”. The report details how Abrek has in the last few years become a potentially uncontrollable force in Camarilla politics — and how, on its journey to power, it has copied the vainglory of the Czar, the ruthlessness of Stalin, and the religious trappings of extremists, tailoring these methods to its own ethnic and political specificities. DID ANYONE PROOFREAD THIS BOOK!? ANYONE!?
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MollyMetroid posted:I mean I guess swedrac really wanted to make a controversial game and wasn't content with being controversial within the industry.
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Kurieg posted:You know with all the talk about the Homosexual Purges in Chechnya it seems like this passage got overlooked...
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Huh, well I sure wasn't expecting anything like that to happen.
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Why is 2018? Why is this the most globally relevant thing to ever happen to the RPG industry?
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So yeah, remember how Mark was saying that the whole Chechnya thing was written by a Vampire, who are inherently evil, and thus cannot be taken at face value? I've got my electronic mitts on one of the original PDFs and found the passage in question. The chapter itself is designed to appear like a magazine article, it really reminds me of my mom's old Readers Digest newsmagazine reports (The page is divided up into 3 columns, portions of the text are requoted in big colorful letters in the margins, etc), it's even given a byline and titled "official report of my three years’ mission in chechnya, the abrek vampire free state" and written by a Banu Haqim Archon, and the Banu Haqim are explicitly stated as being opposed to the Abrek. So what it talks about the Abrek in glowing terms and talks about their complete control of the government you're inclined to take it as face value because even though it's an in-universe piece it's being written as an academic study from the outside, not a puff piece from within. You are given to understand that "in the world of darkness this is happening and this is true".
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Hey, so, tomorrow is the deadline for signing up for the main round of TG Secret Santa! Just mentioning it because I see some previous-year regulars in various threads who haven't come in yet, and I realize most of us just use our bookmark lists most of the time so you might not notice the stickied thread.
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So uh there might be people in Chechenya working for WW that might get jailed for that. http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/...832#post1267832
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Plutonis posted:So uh there might be people in Chechenya working for WW that might get jailed for that. http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/...832#post1267832 That dude is a nut, though. Do we have any reputable information indicating actual peril?
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Rand Brittain posted:That dude is a nut, though. It's not White Wolf employees that are in trouble. It's people in the distribution industry that are being called into court and being told to name names. Also: The Chechnyan government is apparently pointing at the fact that their homosexual purges have been written about in a game as proof that it's actually fiction and not really happening, so MR*H has failed in his stated goal of drawing attention to a real atrocity by giving them plausible deniability in his poorly thought out writing.
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