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Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

tarbrush posted:

How did these people happen?

Leaded petrol

# ? Nov 17, 2018 11:52

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# ? May 22, 2024 14:30

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

he's not a very good conman is he

# ? Nov 17, 2018 11:53

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

tarbrush posted:

How did these people happen?

https://twitter.com/CorbynSuperFan/status/1063437376805117958

# ? Nov 17, 2018 11:53

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Copying this post from the DnD thread for foreigners who don't read that but might be interested why labour are voting against the deal

MikeCrotch posted:

Novara Media made a good point that while there is ambiguity over just how much the EU's state aid rules would impair a socialist Labour government, the deal as drafted would totally gently caress a socialist government because the EU gets to decide whether something is state aid or not while the UK would have no recourse to challenge that. Remember that the wording basically hands power of deciding what is and isn't state aid into the hands of the commission, who are completely unaccountable;

"The European Commission defines state aid as:

An advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities.

A measure constitutes state aid if it:

involves the transfer of state resources;

has potential distortive effects on competition and trade in the EU market; and

confers a selective economic advantage to the recipients.

Such measures can take a variety of forms, including grants, subsidies, loans, guarantees, and tax credits. However, not all state aid is unlawful. If the aid contributes positively to the EU economy without having an undue negative impact on competition, then under certain conditions, the aid would be lawful. The European Commission defines this as �compatible aid�, which can have important economic benefits, leading to increased employment and output."

# ? Nov 17, 2018 11:55

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

so we should risk a hard Brexit so that the Tories can do state aid for the duration of the transition period?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:15

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

There's a Minister in my bedroom and I don't know what to do.

He keeps waving a new passport and screaming, "Look, it's blue,"

Today he learned on Question Time, where he sat on the panel,

The shocking news that lots of trade went through the English Channel,

There's a Minister in my bedroom and I don't want him to stay,

His howls and terrifying and he scares my guests away.

Oh Minister in my bedroom, just before you go,

Why were you in my bedroom?

I really want to know.

There's a new boy in my seat and I don't know what to do,

I can hear the sound of laughter ripple round the drat EU,

The chickens have come home to roost, I don't know what to do,

The Remoaners are all saying that we didn't think it through,

Our policy - a shambles, our negotiating - poo!

And now everybody knows, what we already knew...

Oh Minister in my bedroom now I know what to do,

There's a double-decker parked outside, it leaves at half past two,

It's destined for The Good Ol' Days, now would I lie to you?

(If it's written on a bus then you know it must be true!)

Oh Minister in my bedroom now I know what to do,

Take this present I've been saving, just for poor old you.

I throw him a banana and watch as he inspects it.

"Now please lubricate your backstop and shove that up your Brexit."

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/9xv35j/the_ballad_of_raab_c_brexit/

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:16

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Pissflaps posted:

so we should risk a hard Brexit so that the Tories can do state aid for the duration of the transition period?

I don't think that's the only option. I think we should cancel brexit

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:23

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Jose posted:

I don't think that's the only option. I think we should cancel brexit

I agree.

but I don�t know at this point if rejecting this deal is more likely to mean a no deal Brexit, or no Brexit. nobody does. it�s a gamble and placing your bet based on what the temporary transition deal would mean - when the actual trade deal has yet to be started - is stupid whether coming from the left or the right.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:26

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Jose posted:

Copying this post from the DnD thread for foreigners who don't read that but might be interested why labour are voting against the deal

FWIW Jose I think the idea of "Lexit" in the current state of affairs is goddamned ludicrous and I appreciate your attempts at continually pointing that out.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:27

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

tarbrush posted:

I thought that was Angela Eagle?

Eagle was the one to challenge Corbyn for leadership (Before dropping out) but Smith was one of the backers of the initial vote of no confidence

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:29

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

I'm just saying it's very rich to complain about holding a vote of no confidence at a time of national crisis when you response to the brexit vote was to go ahead with a pre-planned coup

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:34

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Pissflaps posted:

I agree.

but I don�t know at this point if rejecting this deal is more likely to mean a no deal Brexit, or no Brexit. nobody does. it�s a gamble and placing your bet based on what the temporary transition deal would mean - when the actual trade deal has yet to be started - is stupid whether coming from the left or the right.

THreatening to destroy the UK economy for the next 30 years instead of extending article 50 to negotiate further is so insane I just don't see it happening

The ERG bottling leadership challenge shows that despite their bluster they're not willing to do it

# ? Nov 17, 2018 12:39

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

Jose posted:

THreatening to destroy the UK economy for the next 30 years instead of extending article 50 to negotiate further is so insane I just don't see it happening

The ERG bottling leadership challenge shows that despite their bluster they're not willing to do it

Pretty sure the EU would only extend art 50 for a 2nd referendum, don't think they've any patience for restarting negotiations every time the government falls.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 13:01

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

tarbrush posted:

Pretty sure the EU would only extend art 50 for a 2nd referendum, don't think they've any patience for restarting negotiations every time the government falls.

they specifically said they would if there was a change in government ie labour but that was ages ago and god knows how credible

# ? Nov 17, 2018 13:11

Captain Splendid: Jan 7, 2009; Qu'en pense Caffarelli?

They've explicitly said they're not going to negotiate any further and that this is the only deal.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 13:13

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

lmao

https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-angela-merkel-theresa-may-brexit-brussels-to-london-we-wont-allow-a-do-over/

# ? Nov 17, 2018 13:35

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Jose posted:

THreatening to destroy the UK economy for the next 30 years instead of extending article 50 to negotiate further is so insane I just don't see it happening

why would you think that would stop them

# ? Nov 17, 2018 13:40

Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

Jose posted:

THreatening to destroy the UK economy for the next 30 years instead of extending article 50 to negotiate further is so insane I just don't see it happening

The ERG bottling leadership challenge shows that despite their bluster they're not willing to do it

I'm no longer 100% sure that the people who run the world understand the concept of consequences. For them life has been nothing but soft failures and a million second chances, why should this be any different?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 14:21

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Jose posted:

Copying this post from the DnD thread for foreigners who don't read that but might be interested why labour are voting against the deal

It is incidentally a completely bullshit argument because even after the transitional arrangement, it's not like the EC is going to give up defining what is considered state aid, and any British government that cheerfully broke those rules as a big "gently caress you we've left now" to the EU would find that its goods would get tariffed hard.

And then what are they going to do about it, go to the (consultative only) WTO which already has a years-long waiting time when multiple members have already come out and said would screw with any British application?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 14:40

dont be mean to me: May 2, 2007; I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars

so basically, with a 52-48 vote, you've been damned to either neoliberal or fascist darkness (with a bonus guarantee from outside if you dare to try anything humanist) until either the entire global order gets transformed or (more likely) humanity no longer exists

dang

daaaaaaaaaaaang

# ? Nov 17, 2018 14:43

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

dont be mean to me posted:

so basically, with a 52-48 vote, you've been damned to either neoliberal or fascist darkness (with a bonus guarantee from outside if you dare to try anything humanist) until either the entire global order gets transformed or (more likely) humanity no longer exists

dang

daaaaaaaaaaaang

It was a referendum on whether people were broadly happy with life or not, which the people running the "we can slightly change it to make it better if you want, but it's good now." campaign misjudged terribly at every step including calling it "remain" instead of "stay" which gave it a middle class signifying fruitiness to it.

Any wider ideological implications were not really featured even if they deserved to be, since the leave campaign was basically just a putsch by the extreme right shouting "the Turks are going to rape your wife and steal all your money! They're there! THEY'RE COMING DOWN THE CHUNNEL! QUICK! STOP THEM!!!" while Novara Media types speciously invoked the opinions of Tony Benn or Bob Crow mostly to themselves.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 14:50

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

jBrereton posted:

It is incidentally a completely bullshit argument because even after the transitional arrangement, it's not like the EC is going to give up defining what is considered state aid, and any British government that cheerfully broke those rules as a big "gently caress you we've left now" to the EU would find that its goods would get tariffed hard.

And then what are they going to do about it, go to the (consultative only) WTO which already has a years-long waiting time when multiple members have already come out and said would screw with any British application?

how do you so consistently write utter bollocks based entirely off things you imagine happening like the entirety of international diplomacy is an episode of eastenders

# ? Nov 17, 2018 14:52

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

brian posted:

how do you so consistently write utter bollocks based entirely off things you imagine happening like the entirety of international diplomacy is an episode of eastenders

You think the EC is going to give up one of its most impactful powers to satisfy a Labour government that is telling everyone who'll listen that leaving means we can do what we want wrt State Aid?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 14:56

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

time to try this puppy out}

jBrereton posted:

It was a referendum on whether people were broadly happy with life or not, which the people running the "we can slightly change it to make it better if you want, but it's good now." campaign misjudged terribly at every step including calling it "remain" instead of "stay" which gave it a middle class signifying fruitiness to it.

Any wider ideological implications were not really featured even if they deserved to be, since the leave campaign was basically just a putsch by the extreme right shouting "the Turks are going to rape your wife and steal all your money! They're there! THEY'RE COMING DOWN THE CHUNNEL! QUICK! STOP THEM!!!" while Novara Media types speciously invoked the opinions of Tony Benn or Bob Crow mostly to themselves.

Corbyn did talk about the Tory's "bonfire of rights" if brexit went through but the media barely covered what he did, preferring to present the referendum as Cameron vs Boris with a side order of Farage

# ? Nov 17, 2018 14:57

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

jBrereton posted:

You think the EC is going to give up one of its most impactful powers to satisfy a Labour government that is telling everyone who'll listen that leaving means we can do what we want wrt State Aid?

lol ah yes the GREAT POWER OF THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL: state aid rules that have never been heavily enforced in any way, WHY THEY WOULD NEVER AGREE TO ANY SORT OF COMPLEX NEGOTIATION ON SUCH A THING

the EU are not bianca after ricky went and snogged tiffany while well 'ard watched

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:01

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

brian posted:

lol ah yes the GREAT POWER OF THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL: state aid rules that have never been heavily enforced in any way, WHY THEY WOULD NEVER AGREE TO ANY SORT OF COMPLEX NEGOTIATION ON SUCH A THING

the EU are not bianca after ricky went and snogged tiffany while well 'ard watched

you do know that germany has used those rules you're dismissing to consolidate power for the elite right

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:03

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

brian posted:

lol ah yes the GREAT POWER OF THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL: state aid rules that have never been heavily enforced in any way, WHY THEY WOULD NEVER AGREE TO ANY SORT OF COMPLEX NEGOTIATION ON SUCH A THING

the EU are not bianca after ricky went and snogged tiffany while well 'ard watched

It's not the Council that decides what is and isn't state aid, it is the European Commission, and they have absolutely no reason to give up that power to a bunch of reprobates people wanted to see the back of.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:05

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

basically while brexit is dumb let us not forget that the eu loving sucks

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:05

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

dont be mean to me posted:

so basically, with a 52-48 vote, you've been damned to either neoliberal or fascist darkness

daaaaaaaaaaaang

Why choose?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:06

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

Yinlock posted:

you do know that germany has used those rules you're dismissing to consolidate power for the elite right

are you talking about enforced austerity on eurozone countries due to the lack of individual currencies allowing the import focused countries of the european south because that's not about state aid rules and about the inability of those countries to devalue their own currency to fund it without impacting german export value because they're all using the same currency

or are you talking about the internal governing of a right wing party in government in germany doing things to consolidate power for the elite because that's literally just a right wing government doing what it wants to do

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:07

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

jBrereton posted:

It's not the Council that decides what is and isn't state aid, it is the European Commission, and they have absolutely no reason to give up that power to a bunch of reprobates people wanted to see the back of.

i meant the commission but thanks for once again reducing things down to a literally insane simplistic view of the world

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:09

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

dont be mean to me posted:

so basically, with a 52-48 vote, you've been damned to either neoliberal or fascist darkness (with a bonus guarantee from outside if you dare to try anything humanist) until either the entire global order gets transformed or (more likely) humanity no longer exists

dang

daaaaaaaaaaaang

the real answer is "riot"

the EU is a lovely austerity hellhole and the no-deal brexit is just Death

riot

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:11

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1063412394041507840

also the un austerity report is out and surprising nobody it's Not Great

Yinlock has issued a correction as of 15:18 on Nov 17, 2018

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:15

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Yinlock posted:

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1063412394041507840

also surprising nobody the un austerity report is out and uh it's Not Great

Oh you mean the one that was already posted yesterday including your exact same take on it, in this very thread an entire one page ago?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:18

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

jBrereton posted:

Oh you mean the one that was already posted yesterday including your exact same take on it, in this very thread an entire one page ago?

yes, that one

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:20

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

i await your thanks

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:20

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

(i've been awake too long)

# ? Nov 17, 2018 15:23

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Yinlock posted:

i await your thanks

i liked it

# ? Nov 17, 2018 16:00

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

SardonicTyrant posted:

You
I wanna take you to a Brexit
I wanna take you to a Brexit
I wanna take you to a Brexit, Brexit, Brexit
Let's crash and burn
Crash completely and burn
At the Brexit, Brexit, Brexit

Took me a moment
:discourse:

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# ? May 22, 2024 14:30

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1063843376133484544

# ? Nov 17, 2018 18:42

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