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On the one hand, ehhhhh Biden. But on the other, it'd be nice to have a dog in the White House again, and that looks like a very good boy. E: this entire post is dog tax
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CubanMissile posted:I guess I've never thought about this before, so forgive me if it's a dumb question, but why isn't the the vice presidency a separately electable position? Are there major downsides I'm not considering? Technically it is, per the 12th Amendment. Before that, the VP was the runner up in the Presidential election, which led to a tie and caused a lot of chaos.
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Why the gently caress is he leaning so hard into the "bigly bad forest management" thing? Who gave him that and why?
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Groovelord Neato posted:pls...no more... “Just go out there and support the first responders, and mourn the victims, okay? Do nothing else, okay? This is an easy peasy photo op, and we can have you out in twenty minutes. Under no circumstances should you imply that you know how to handle forest fires better than the crowd of professionals that are surrounding you.”
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Nov 18, 2018 00:48
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GyroNinja posted:When was the last time a President switched their running mate when running for re-election? It seems like it used to be much more common before ~1950 or so. Gerald Ford swapped Rockefeller with Bob Dole. But Ford and Rockefeller were never elected. LBJ feared he would be dropped from the ticket due to a number of reasons. Of course we never know what would have come of that.
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InsertPotPun posted:Why the gently caress is he leaning so hard into the "bigly bad forest management" thing? Who gave him that and why? Because someone told him "OK, say 'California' and 'bad forest management' as many times as you can." He doesn't know or care if there's actually a problem; he was just fed a line by someone and he already hates California because they didn't vote for him in 2016.
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CubanMissile posted:I guess I've never thought about this before, so forgive me if it's a dumb question, but why isn't the the vice presidency a separately electable position? Are there major downsides I'm not considering? We do, that is how the constitution is set up and a vote happens every election for that in the electoral college, there is just a really weird standing agreement to just go 'always vote for whoever the winning president picked" in theory trump could say he wants pence and get 100% of the votes and the electoral college could vote for someone totally different and it'd be fine, they just don't ever do that.
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Party Plane Jones posted:
i feel like biden hanging the medal of freedom around george loving bush's neck should disqualify him from any higher office (or even the one he has now) george w bush, people. we all remember who that is, right?
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Nov 18, 2018 00:51
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“A wonderful flawless two days of executions! No, this mic isn’t on!”
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Ague Proof posted:Gerald Ford swapped Rockefeller with Bob Dole. But Ford and Rockefeller were never elected. Bobby Kennedy I think absolutely would have won the nomination in '68. Yes, I know he was behind when he died but he was gaining ground fast and would have had the momentum of just winning California. Listening to him talk was a lot like listening to Obama 40 years later.
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Nov 18, 2018 00:53
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RaySmuckles posted:i feel like biden hanging the medal of freedom around george loving bush's neck should disqualify him from any higher office (or even the one he has now) i weirdly like biden(that being said, i think his time has long past for the reins of power of any kind) its because its all a grand game for people like him at the end of the day.
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sorry the biden/bush posts got me all hot and bothered and i think george w bush should be forced back into the hole he was hiding in until he is brought to answer for the crimes of his administration which i think is a nice ironic mirroring of the final days of saddam
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:We do, that is how the constitution is set up and a vote happens every election for that in the electoral college, there is just a really weird standing agreement to just go 'always vote for whoever the winning president picked" in theory trump could say he wants pence and get 100% of the votes and the electoral college could vote for someone totally different and it'd be fine, they just don't ever do that. Which, I mean, I guess if Lex Luthor won but didn't wait until officially taking office to reveal his secret plan to order Cadmus to murder Super-Man, sure. Maybe you'd get a couple of electors to flip.
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RaySmuckles posted:hmm, i just feel like we all know that money has an inordinate impact on elections and a business friendly, centrist candidate is more likely to be able to accrue the most money? the institutions that would be able to challenge that (unions) seem to have long ago lost their relevance. Its not disingenuous since it would carry over directly to the general. Republicans are going to get more money. If you know you can't get money, but need money, you either need to figure out something to do to get the money you need, or something that will compensate for a lack of money. Both would help equally in the primary and general. Meanwhile, just screaming that Dems are mean and that leftists deserve to win primaries just for showing up doesn't fix the problem for the general.
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voting for VPs would be weird because the position is so powerless. it seems already hard enough to get people to join the ticket because they have to put the rest of their political career on hold. plus, wouldn't it oddly incentivize candidates to try and get the president killed, lol? like they have to fight so hard to be back-up president and once you're pot committed... Fulchrum posted:Its not disingenuous since it would carry over directly to the general. Republicans are going to get more money. If you know you can't get money, but need money, you either need to figure out something to do to get the money you need, or something that will compensate for a lack of money. Both would help equally in the primary and general. Meanwhile, just screaming that Dems are mean and that leftists deserve to win primaries just for showing up doesn't fix the problem for the general. i can see where you're going with this and i don't think its entirely wrong. i think the "something that will compensate for a lack of money" is what people are going for. its an attempt at a cultural/narrative shift which is a valid strategy. trying to shift the narrative or political culture so that dems feel like they should be supporting more progressive candidates is the "something." whether or not that can be or has been successful is obviously up for debate, especially since better funded, centrist dems can muddy the waters more easily with their financial advantages. RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Unoriginal Name posted:If Mueller finds enough dirt to convince a Republican Senate to impeach Trump, there is basically no way Pence isn't also taken down, given that he was the personal choice of a man indicted. I don't think there's enough evidence in the world that would allow for a Republican Senate to hand over the Presidency to Polesi. Maybe if they backroom deal in a caretaker President, but that seems far to convoluted. Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think being third in line is a big deal even if you don't have specific known things that are going to happen to the first two. If trump dies or is impeached then we are one bulging artery wall away from president pelosi. Speaker of the house is a big deal position just for that. Only if Pence gets a heart attack before selecting a replacement Veep. Chain of succession only matters until we get a new Prez. Prez is allowed to select replacement of their Veep in case of vacancy just like any member of their cabinet. This is how Gerald Ford got in line to replace Nixon and how Ford's Veep was Rockefeller, who was Governor of New York at the time and pretty frickin' far down on the line of succession. Granted, we've never had to replace both at the same time, but history does tell us otherwise.
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RaySmuckles posted:i can see where you're going with this and i don't think its entirely wrong. Changing the culture would just be getting more people to vote for them, and doesn't require that the party actively rig the system in favor of leftists.
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BirdOfPlay posted:Only if Pence gets a heart attack before selecting a replacement Veep. Even then, they will put him on as much life support as they can and argue forever that the president is still alive and deserves the peoples respect. They'll just have Mitch McConnel interpret Pences breathing as executive orders.
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Fulchrum posted:Changing the culture would just be getting more people to vote for them, and doesn't require that the party actively rig the system in favor of leftists. no, but i wasn't saying the party should rig elections i'm saying its ok to scream at everyone that they should support more progessive/leftist dems or scream that supporting blue dogs is actively harmful. once again, whether that works or not is up for debate
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GyroNinja posted:When was the last time a President switched their running mate when running for re-election? It seems like it used to be much more common before ~1950 or so. I don't know, but the more I think about it I can see Trump dropping him. Pence was someone else's pick back when Trump was still listening to people. We've see over and over again that only decisions Donny ever regrets are ones where he wanted to do something, and someone talked him out of it. Now he can change that and choose someone who has pledged their undying devotion to him.
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https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1062838794548924416
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Tibalt posted:It's not really a 'weird standing agreement', the electors are 1.) Chosen by the presidential candidate and are usually loyal party faithfuls, and 2.) usually bound to vote for the state's choice by law. So you'd have to get a situation where a party faithful decided to give the election to the other guy, despite breaking the law in their home state. Not only are their bound to vote that way, some (can't remember which states) can be replaced and have their vote invalidated if they don't vote as instructed. Three electors had their votes invalidated in 2016, with two of them being replaced. Fulchrum posted:Even then, they will put him on as much life support as they can and argue forever that the president is still alive and deserves the peoples respect. They'll just have Mitch McConnel interpret Pences breathing as executive orders. We'd be left with the literal situation that caused the 25th Amendment, and it would never be invoked.
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RaySmuckles posted:voting for VPs would be weird because the position is so powerless. it seems already hard enough to get people to join the ticket because they have to put the rest of their political career on hold. Teddy Roosevelt was made VP so his party could get rid of him. Oops. When LBJ was offered the VP slot on Kennedy's ticket: Master of the Senate posted:A Vice President was the logical candidate to succeed the President when his four or eight years in office ended, the natural heir to the presidency. And of course a Vice President might not have to wait that long. The alternative route had an abbreviated version -- and Lyndon Johnson had reconnoitered that, too.
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Yoinked from the USNEWS thread: "A top White House official responsible for American policy toward Saudi Arabia resigned on Friday evening, a move that may suggest fractures inside the Trump administration over the response to the brutal killing of the dissident Jamal Khashoggi." Fractures? Inside the administration?
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This is so awesome https://twitter.com/feministabulous/status/1063947279688769537?s=21
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Ague Proof posted:Teddy Roosevelt was made VP so his party could get rid of him. Oops. hahaha, that's awesome
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theblackw0lf posted:This is so awesome https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1063951791220494336?s=21
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:what the heck is zoom? It is a teleconference platform for business that is actually pretty good
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Too many goddamn social media platforms Zoom is basically Less Dumb Skype, not really social media
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Groovelord Neato posted:pls...no more... I agree with Trump on something. They should have raked the forest more. Let's punish PG&E for paying out larger dividend instead of using it to actually do forest management. Maybe it's about time the state takes them over. Thanks for the great idea Mr. President.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/misstessowen/status/1063882906215620608 funny how the cops keep being on the side of the fascists huh
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He's physically incapable of not making everything about him somehow. https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1063972700262187009
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