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Imperialists - we can't stay out of the wars to come; there's no ocean between us and the impending clusterfuck of Europe. I'd prefer to vote royalist, but there's no way that they're gonna get the votes to stop the socialists building a railroad for the invaders to come and take Qadis with. At least with a decent navy we can potentially divide Fran from Gleterre when it comes to blows.
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tatankatonk posted:I guess it's kind of funny that in this timeline Andalusia seems destined to be involved in the Great War, considering Spain avoided world wars not once but twice Hey, there's always the possibility that we become so much of a tire fire in the early 20th century that none of the belligerents want anything to do with us just like OTL Spain.
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Rodyle posted:It is absurdly easy to stay out of war in V2, the defense argument is silly. There is literally no way we're going to stay out of the big end game war, as Hashim has clearly stated. And he's right, because staying out would be boring.
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We'll keep the red flag flying. Socialists. And if we lose a war it'll only prove that we're not being radical enough and then we can go Communism. Clayren fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Nov 18, 2018 04:48
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oystertoadfish posted:would the imperialists do any reforms at all, like for voting? it sorta sounds like the stability of the liberal era inadvertantly prevented reform due to silly game mechanics, but we're not very stable now, are we? would a new liberal regime have a new power to enact reform due to that, and would they use that opportunity if they had it? The imperialists couldn't pass reforms because they didn't have a majority for it, iirc. Also remember that we're in a world where monarchy rules, and everyone has been slow on the social reforms.
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Nov 18, 2018 05:41
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Nov 18, 2018 06:06
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I was a merchant in EU4, and have been an Imperialist the entire time. Not stopping now, especially when Imperialism is what we need to protect ourselves when this stupid poo poo hits the fan. Imperialist
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Nov 18, 2018 08:05
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See, the reason I am not voting for the Socialists is their willingness to keep the hand-factory in the Khedive operational. You want to see another event about genocide in central Africa in the next updates? Stick to that path.
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Nov 18, 2018 13:18
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Moderates Just so we don't get the smallest seat
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Nov 18, 2018 13:35
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ZearothK posted:See, the reason I am not voting for the Socialists is their willingness to keep the hand-factory in the Khedive operational. You want to see another event about genocide in central Africa in the next updates? Stick to that path. Imperialists aren't going to shut down the hand factory, they're just going to run it directly. Acting like there's any genuine humanitarian anti-colonial option on the table makes no sense.
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Nov 18, 2018 14:19
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GunnerJ posted:Imperialists aren't going to shut down the hand factory, they're just going to run it directly. Acting like there's any genuine humanitarian anti-colonial option on the table makes no sense. There’s no true anti-colonial option but at least the Imperialists want to remove King Leopold from his throne of skulls, which would be a significant improvement over the status quo
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Nov 18, 2018 14:28
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This is a tough one but I'm going to vote Imperialists for two reasons, one because the Khedive is becoming a problem and we MIGHT intervene if the imperialists are in power and two because when we get our asses kicked in the coming war it would be nice to avoid socialists getting blamed 
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QuoProQuid posted:There’s no true anti-colonial option but at least the Imperialists want to remove King Leopold from his throne of skulls, which would be a significant improvement over the status quo I'll have you know those skulls only came from the heads of criminals and dissidents. I am completely justified in my actions!
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Nov 18, 2018 18:10
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unwantedplatypus posted:I'll have you know those skulls only came from the heads of criminals and dissidents. I am completely justified in my actions! Shame their crimes were only speaking out about the atrocities. Or missing a quota. 
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Nov 18, 2018 18:27
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Shame their crimes were only speaking out about the atrocities. Or missing a quota. Get a look at this guy that doesn't think disruptions to the assembly line aren't the worst kind of capital crime
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Nov 18, 2018 18:36
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i just flew in from the khedivate, and boy are my arms tired!! because i dont have hands because they were cut off it makes the rest of my arms rather tired when i must fly without hands
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I have only the vaguest idea of the historical context but I still want to butt in because screaming is fun!
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Nov 18, 2018 19:53
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Nov 18, 2018 20:14
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 Majlis Assembly closed! The final tally is:Royalists - 4 - Lord Cyrahzax, Chatrapati, Werewhale, spacebard. Moderates - 6 - ManifunkDestiny, Soup du Jour, fish and chips and dip, Innocent_Bystander, Frionnel, Kaptain. Imperialists - 33 - Patter Song, QuoProQuid, Crowsbeak, ZearothK, Demon Of The Fall, Grenrow, skipThings, Lewd Mangabey, Danny Glands, Dance Officer, Jihad Joe, Ikasuhito, iLurk, Veryslightlymad, everydayfalls, Zikan, Ralepozozaxe, Moon Slayer, Aeromancia, habeasdorkus, wiegieman, AJ_Impy, Morrow, Hiveminded, Average Lettuce, Mirdini, oystertoadfish, Sanzh, pinchofginger, RestRoomLiterature-, WilliamAnderson, Eumenides, Nothingtoseehere. Socialists - 41 - Crazycryodude, The Bold Kobold, puppets freak me out, Jew it to it!, Rodyle, ThatBasqueGuy, Talas, GSD, tatankatonk, CommissarMega, TheFlyingLlama, Captain Oblivious, Snipee, Rubix Squid, RabidWeasel, Vinny Possum, Odysseus S. Grant, ChrisAsmadi, Pakled, Erwin the German, Lynneth, Cobra Lionfist, sheep-dodger, Yvonmukluk, GunnerJ, paragon1, lpmerson, Innadiar, Flavius Aetass, Eleven Eleven, NewMars, mcclay, Agean90, PetraCore, Hitlers Gay Secret, MaxieSatan, Technowolf, RagnarokZ, HiHo ChiRho, Luhood, Clayren. Sultanics - 6 - ChaseSP, Slaan, Tricky Dick Nixon, Red John, Jeoh, Super Jay Mann. So the socialists are in for another decade, maintaining their current stance on industrial development and diplomatic isolation (unless Serbia somehow managed to defeat the two invasions its currently suffering, and even then, there's no guarantee that a fully Communist nation will like us at all). If the Great War does break out in the next ten years, then we'll have to hope that the diplomatic scene is favourable towards us, because otherwise we're gonna be fighting alone.
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Nov 18, 2018 20:31
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Hashim posted:If the Great War does break out in the next ten years, then we'll have to hope that the diplomatic scene is favourable towards us, because otherwise we're gonna be fighting alone. Let's be honest; it would've been this way no matter we chose. We are always abandoned or betrayed when we need our allies the most.
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Nov 18, 2018 20:34
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Let's be honest; it would've been this way no matter we chose. We are always abandoned or betrayed when we need our allies the most. Now with the socialists, al Andalus can be assured that has no allies and no military!
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Nov 18, 2018 20:52
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Grenrow posted:Now with the socialists, al Andalus can be assured that has no allies and no military! We have a military; it just won't leave our borders.
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Nov 18, 2018 20:54
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I know that Paradox game goon roleplaying is always kinda dumb, but what the hell is up with people arguing that the literal party of turboimperialism would somehow be a morally superior option WRT the horrors caused by imperialism?
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Cerebral Bore posted:I know that Paradox game goon roleplaying is always kinda dumb, but what the hell is up with people arguing that the literal party of turboimperialism would somehow be a morally superior option WRT the horrors caused by imperialism? Because the 19th century paternalist socialist party in an imperial core nation is hypocritical about it and this is shocking somehow. Well, I guess the imperialist desire to sit directly on the skull throne is at least honest and in line with their principles.
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Nov 18, 2018 21:08
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Historically, were there any socialist nation that fought in the world wars or were big in this time period?
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Historically, were there any socialist nation that fought in the world wars or were big in this time period? Depends on what you'd call "socialist". Nazi Germany called itself socialist, as did Italy. (And also ran with a host of normal socialist policies, if you weren't some sort of persona non grata) The Soviets obviously called themselves socialists fairly interchangeably with communist. And France, the UK and America obviously had large socialist movements and by the second world war had implemented a host of socialist policies.
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Nov 18, 2018 21:51
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Historically, were there any socialist nation that fought in the world wars or were big in this time period? Define "this time period", if you run it forwards another decade then obviously the Soviets are around but that's about it, and I wouldn't really call them "big" until the late 20's or so once they'd properly recovered from the Russian Civil War and got back into being a great power and international politics. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Historically, were there any socialist nation that fought in the world wars or were big in this time period? I don't think there were any socialist parties in charge of any major countries until after WW1, but most major participants in WW1 had their largest socialist parties support the war (leading to splits) and some cases participate in unity governments.
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I’m sure that everything will be fiiiiiiiine. We don’t need to take a side on the Great War. Worst case scenario if we do get dragged into an existential conflict, it’ll be a glorious moral victory for the history books.
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Nov 18, 2018 23:44
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Historically, were there any socialist nation that fought in the world wars or were big in this time period? At the turn of the century, no. If you go to the interwar period (you did say world wars in plural), then you have Léon Blum and the Popular Front in France, probably the closest thing to our upper house socialists.
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Nov 19, 2018 00:00
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Technically the Soviet Union (or double-technically the Russian Soviet Republic) was fighting in WW1 for a while.
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Nov 19, 2018 00:20
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Once again, goons try to impose socialism on the masses who really just want more political rights. And technically the social democrats were the largest party in the German Reichstag.
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Morrow posted:Once again, goons try to impose socialism on the masses who really just want more political rights. The socialists are the only party who will give people more political rights (except for maybe the imperialists, maybe, if they aren't busy with Africa and if they feel like it, next year for sure.)
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Clayren posted:The socialists are the only party who will give people more political rights (except for maybe the imperialists, maybe, if they aren't busy with Africa and if they feel like it, next year for sure.) Uh, no, within the game mechanics socialists actually don't want to give more political rights.
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Nov 19, 2018 01:01
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Morrow posted:And technically the social democrats were the largest party in the German Reichstag. Socdems are not socialists
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Nov 19, 2018 01:04
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I mean, IIRC the Socialists will give the people political rights if they ask for them. But that hasn't really happened, I guess.
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Nov 19, 2018 01:06
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Morrow posted:Uh, no, within the game mechanics socialists actually don't want to give more political rights. yeah, hilariously, socialist governments really dislike trade unions in victoria 2
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Nov 19, 2018 01:17
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The joys of running a thread on FPTP logic: Socialists got 45.5% of the vote here and get to run the show. Just like a real country!
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Patter Song posted:The joys of running a thread on FPTP logic: Socialists got 45.5% of the vote here and get to run the show. A democratic liberal, agitating for voting reform the second FPTP doesn't get them power and not a moment before.
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Weren't coalitions supposed to be a thing at one point in this LP?
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