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cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

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College Slice
They probably have prehensile dicks to make up for the lack of bendability

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Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

cheetah7071 posted:

They probably have prehensile dicks to make up for the lack of bendability

Very slowly prehensile. Moving about an inch per month.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

Runcible Cat posted:

Very slowly prehensile. Moving about an inch per month.

Nah ents move super fast once they're emotionally into it. We see this with anger in LotR but I suspect a horny ent is equally unstoppable

Radio!
Mar 15, 2008

Look at that post.

Turns out the Ents at Orthanc weren't angry, they were just super horny the whole time.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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"huorny" was right there




neh, pretend I made a wood joke

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
We come, we come with horn and drum

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe
Ents actually wrote the Lays of Beleriand.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
That trashy Lay of Leithian, Release from Bondage is a gross misrepresentation of BDSM relationships and honestly harms people entering the lifestyle.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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Fun Shoe
Trolls were made in mockery of Ents so they can only get a half chub. Ents get full wood.

TheHoosier
Dec 30, 2004

The fuck, Graham?!


I re-read FotR awhile ago so correct me if im wrong but I don't remember having the impression that Elrond didn't know who Bombadil was. Gandalf made it pretty clear that Tom had no interest in the ring's power and would probably just lose it, and that Tom would still get rolled by Sauron.

Interesting theory since Tom does have a strange tinge, but pretty far-fetched. Trees that gently caress, though? :hmmyes:

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Elrond says he had “forgotten” Bombadil, and doubts whether it might be the same entity as Iarwain. Gandalf suggests they’re the same entity but that it’s of no use in the matter of the ring. Erestor wonders about this, but Gandalf shoots him down. Glorfindel agrees with Gandalf, talking about Bombadil in a way that suggests he knows a bit more about the guy than Erestor. Galdor chimes in saying that he doesn’t know anything about Iarwain but the name, but doubts that anyone can withstand Sauron’s power, and the conversation moves on. Conclusion: the elves aren’t wholly ignorant of Iarwain/Bombadil but even the best informed ones don’t know much about him either, and don’t even seem to be as conversant with him as Strider is, let alone Gandalf.

e: Gandalf also has this ominous poo poo to say (to Erestor) about the guy:

quote:

“And now he is withdrawn into a little land, within bounds that he has set, though none can see them, waiting perhaps for a change of days, and he will not step beyond them.”

skasion fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Nov 16, 2018

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
I believe the intended implication was that bombadils land was not evil, but the hobbits thought it was because they were all superstitious peasants.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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Fun Shoe
The thing with sending the Ring elsewhere too is Sauron would have won without it being destroyed. He didn't even need to find it to win. Gondor was hosed until it got blown up.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Ginette Reno posted:

The thing with sending the Ring elsewhere too is Sauron would have won without it being destroyed. He didn't even need to find it to win. Gondor was hosed until it got blown up.

Galdor basically says this when they mention the possibility of taking the Ring to the Havens, and Boromir gets all defensive about it until he points out that Gondor already couldn't prevent the Nine from breaking through their territory and running amok all over Eriador.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I believe the intended implication was that bombadils land was not evil, but the hobbits thought it was because they were all superstitious peasants.

They nearly got eaten and sacrificed on an altar but I guess that was just a series of unfortunate misunderstandings?

Hobbits don't respect Wight culture. Need to educate themselves.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Tbf they did go have a loving picnic and siesta next to an obviously sacred megalith on a grave mound

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Ginette Reno posted:

The thing with sending the Ring elsewhere too is Sauron would have won without it being destroyed. He didn't even need to find it to win. Gondor was hosed until it got blown up.
Yeah, part of why probably all the Wise were down with the ring destroying plan was that it was a question of this path, which has a small chance of success, versus gloriously battling Sauron's armies when they get to your town, at which point you die because he has more orcs and men than you have deer-cavalry.

I do think Gondor was kind of up-selling itself but then again without Gondor there wasn't much to stop Sauron from whistling up his buddies down south... it might have taken a couple of decades to really get them up to start deforesting Lothlorien or Mirkwood but that just means some Elves would've been able to bail.

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Runcible Cat posted:

Bukkake season is *murder* on my hayfever.

Imagine if one of the ents was a white mulberry tree. Those bastards jizz pollen at half the speed of sound.

Octy
Apr 1, 2010

Man, Aragorn is kind of a dick.

quote:

For do not forget, Peregrin Took, that you are a knight of Gondor, and I do not release you from your service. You are going now on leave, but I may recall you.

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Mar 29, 2006

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Hey, Pippin didn't have to swear fealty to Gondor. He did that all on his own.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Too bad Tolkien wasn't writing today, he would have put wink emojis in there.

Lewd Mangabey
Jun 2, 2011
"What sort of ape?" asked Stephen.
"A damned ill-conditioned sort of an ape. It had a can of ale at every pot-house on the road, and is reeling drunk. It has been offering itself to Babbington."
Or just added "lol jk" at the end.

Octy
Apr 1, 2010

I dunno guys, it still seems like a dick thing to say when the Fellowship is breaking up and they'll never see each other again. I'd have preferred a hug and a kiss from Aragorn, if I was Pippin.

Zippy the Bummer
Dec 14, 2008

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Doesn't Elrond actually say that he considered inviting Bombadil to the Council, to which Gandalf replies, "He would not have come if you had,"?

so Elrond definitely knew about him

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

quote:

`The Barrow-wights we know by many names; and of the Old Forest many tales have been told: all that now remains is but an outlier of its northern march. Time was when a squirrel could go from tree to tree from what is now the Shire to Dunland west of Isengard. In those lands I journeyed once, and many things wild and strange I knew. But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is still the same that walked the woods and hills long ago, and even then was older than the old. That was not then his name. Iarwain Ben-adar we called him, oldest and fatherless. But many another name he has since been given by other folk: Forn by the Dwarves, Orald by Northern Men, and other names beside. He is a strange creature, but maybe I should have summoned him to our Council.'

`He would not have come,' said Gandalf.

`Could we not still send messages to him and obtain his help?' asked Erestor. `It seems that he has a power even over the Ring.'

`No, I should not put it so,' said Gandalf. `Say rather that the Ring has no power over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the Ring itself, nor break its power over others. And now he is withdrawn into a little land, within bounds that he has set, though none can see them, waiting perhaps for a change of days, and he will not step beyond them.'

`But within those bounds nothing seems to dismay him,' said Erestor. `Would he not take the Ring and keep it there, for ever harmless?'

`No,' said Gandalf, `not willingly. He might do so, if all the free folk of the world begged him, but he would not understand the need. And if he were given the Ring, he would soon forget it, or most likely throw it away. Such things have no hold on his mind. He would be a most unsafe guardian; and that alone is answer enough.'

`But in any case,' said Glorfindel, `to send the Ring to him would only postpone the day of evil. He is far away. We could not now take it back to him, unguessed, unmarked by any spy. And even if we could, soon or late the Lord of the Rings would learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come.'

`I know little of Iarwain save the name,' said Galdor; `but Glorfindel, I think, is right. Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills. What power still remains lies with us, here in Imladris, or with Cirdan at the Havens, or in Lórien. But have they the strength, have we here the strength to withstand the Enemy, the coming of Sauron at the last, when all else is overthrown?'

`I have not the strength,' said Elrond; `neither have they.'

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Octy posted:

I dunno guys, it still seems like a dick thing to say when the Fellowship is breaking up and they'll never see each other again. I'd have preferred a hug and a kiss from Aragorn, if I was Pippin.
Contextually that's pretty much what he was doing, since Pippin would have had every reason to expect that he'd shake Aragorn's hand and then go home and die without ever hearing from him again, what with him being King and all.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
So I’m rereading LOTR for the first time in nearly a decade. I went into it trying to erase any preconceived images from the movies and letting the text really paint the picture for me like I did the first time I read them 20 years ago. (I do love the movies, despite their flaws, and I pretty much will always picture Ian McKellen as Gandalf and hum Howard Shore’s score as I read, oh well).

I’m only to Lothlorien so far but one thing that struck me while I was reading the chapters on Moria, the balrog in the movie seems entirely too large. Wing argument aside, it seemed like he described it as being larger than a man but not like 30 ft tall like in the movie. The balrog shouldn’t be intimidating because of its size, it should just look dangerous and other-worldly and scary. Something always struck me as weird in the movie when this gigantic balrog tries to cross this tiny bridge.

The other thing that has really bummed me out so far (knowing that the Amazon series is coming) is that they’re not adapting the Lord of the Rings books. Fellowship so far is very episodic and would divide up nicely into like a 10 or 13 episode season without cutting anything out. Even merry Tom Bombadillo!

1) A Long Expected Party
2) Shadow of the Past
3) Black Riders/Farmer Maggot/Crickhollow
4) Old Willow/Tom Bombadil/Barrow Downs
5) Bree
6) Weathertop
7) Flight to the Ford
8) Rivendell/Flashback to fill in Gandalf’s absence
9) Council of Elrond
10) The Ring Goes South/Red Horn Gate/Wolf Attack
11) Moria
12) Lothlorien
13) Amon Hen

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
The Balrog’s size and shape are kind of ambiguous or mutable in the book. When they first see it, it seems to be bigger than a man, but not by much.

quote:

What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater...

But then when it confronts Gandalf this happens:

quote:

It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall; but still Gandalf could be seen, glimmering in the gloom; he seemed small, and altogether alone: grey and bent, like a wizened tree before the onset of a storm.

This bit gets mentioned so often in the context of the wings that one loses sight of the point of it. The Balrog, which was before apparently somewhat bigger than a man but not obviously gigantic, visibly grows in size and is now huge enough that the shadow around it seems to fill the whole room and dwarf Gandalf by comparison. On a quick reading of this bit, I can see why PJ would choose to portray the Balrog as giant and winged. The horns are less defensible, that’s all on John Howe I feel.

e: also I totally agree that the structure of Fellowship (esp book 1) would work for a TV series, but the later books get a lot messier. Nobody is going to go for the way Tolkien structures it so you have to intersperse material from books 3-5 into something approaching a single narrative, which PJ only achieved by doing a hatchet job on the pacing of the Frodo plot.

skasion fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Nov 18, 2018

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe
When Gandalf says Bombadil would throw away the Ring I like to imagine him standing at his kitchen counter frowning at the ring before dropping it in his trash can. Later in the week he takes the trash out to the curb and the garbage man picks it up.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Gandalf was exaggerating because he was trying to convince everyone to go to Moria.

Myron Baloney
Mar 19, 2002

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Octy posted:

I dunno guys, it still seems like a dick thing to say when the Fellowship is breaking up and they'll never see each other again. I'd have preferred a hug and a kiss from Aragorn, if I was Pippin.

He says, right after that, that he's fixing up the north kingdom and they'll be closer at times, and in fact Pippin and Merry do visit Fornost and Gondor, Pippin becomes Thain and Merry becomes Master of Buckland, they even end up interred with Aragorn in the Places of the Dead after they die, and Sam's daughter becomes a maid in Arwen's court. So they do all stay in pretty close touch.

edit: and Aragorn visits the Shire at least once, but stops at the Brandywine Bridge as he's laid down the law that no big people enter the Shire.

Myron Baloney fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Nov 19, 2018

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

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College Slice
Where do all the people populating the new Arnor even come from? The north seems close to uninhabited from what we see in the books, and I didn't see much evidence that Gondor was bursting at the seams with people eager to make a new life for themselves somewhere else

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

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Toilet Rascal
There’d have to be people displaced by the war of the ring, right? Lots of destroyed towns and broken communities that decided not to rebuild where they were.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

cheetah7071 posted:

Where do all the people populating the new Arnor even come from? The north seems close to uninhabited from what we see in the books, and I didn't see much evidence that Gondor was bursting at the seams with people eager to make a new life for themselves somewhere else

Something like the magic dirt from Lorien that makes stuff grow fast, except instead of dirt it's semen.

Freed slaves from Mordor's plantations.

Boromir took a long time to get to Rivendell because he was fuckin his way across Middle Earth and that produced tons of kids.

The call goes out across all Gondor: new settlers to Arnor guaranteed a free keg of dwarven ale and butt stuff.

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They end up getting hobbit beer and handjobs, which all in all is a pretty good outcome to answering an ad like that.

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Dec 28, 2009

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skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Aragorn deported the conquered elites of Harad like some kind of proto-Nebuchadnezzar

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Wrestlepig posted:

There’d have to be people displaced by the war of the ring, right? Lots of destroyed towns and broken communities that decided not to rebuild where they were.

Basically no inhabited areas get destroyed/overtaken by Sauron's forces. Dale & Erebor stand firm, the Brown Lands and Ithilien were depopulated long before the war etc.

Saruman razes the Westfold but Rohan's a big empty field so no shortage of room for the horselords and their horse wives to resettle there.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
The Dunlendings are the obvious candidate really. They’re native to Eriador to begin with and they have problems living next to Gondor’s major ally, it makes sense for Gondor to offer them land.

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sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

skasion posted:

The Dunlendings are the obvious candidate really. They’re native to Eriador to begin with and they have problems living next to Gondor’s major ally, it makes sense for Gondor to offer them land.

No way Aragorn and Eomer didn't go annihilate them for revenge just as they did in the south and east.

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