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VitalSigns posted:A president trying to extraconstitutionally change term limits doesn't justify arming a military dictatorship you numpty. The military was ordered to arrest him by the Honduran supreme court for his dictator shenanigans.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:When I say that "the odds are getting longer every day" I am referring to apocalyptic climate change, which in fact is on a very short timetable before it becomes unstoppable and self-reinforcing, and that if we don't make plans and change our ways while society is *relatively* well-equipped to handle it, it will instead be handled by the fascists, who will do it through genocide of the global south and PoC. And even that's if the fascists are cohesive and stable enough to keep together an unified group and not devolve into nationalists-fighting-nationalists when they claim each other as subhumans not worthy of continued existence. But with nukes and over decreasing valuable and arable land.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:No significant portion of the American electorate cares about our meddling in foreign elections, nor about kids starving in Yemen, nor about harmless civilian Palestinians being shot or bombed, nor about weddings being hit by missiles from drones. My point is that your words and phrasing matter and if you keep using the words and phrasing of someone who has given up and thinks trying is pointless, you're going to communicate to other people that you believe that trying is pointless even if that's not what you personally believe.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:a) It was primarily worthless Obama-style New Dems Yes... The most diverse representation in the history of the house with Justice Dems, self declared socialists, gay native American women, Muslim women, etc. are all worthless neoliberals. They are all already dragging the party left and they haven't even gotten in yet. Try to be just the tiniest bit less cynical and you might not be so miserable.
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exploded mummy posted:The military was ordered to arrest him by the Honduran supreme court for his dictator shenanigans. You might want to read about what the military did after that as we continued to arm them, champ. jesus tittyfucking christ at this apologia "oh what the military just arrested the president what's the big deal" pretty sure the supreme court didn't order them to seize absolute power and start beating dissidents. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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exploded mummy posted:The military was ordered to arrest him by the Honduran supreme court for his dictator shenanigans. right and uh, you know who gave the military those guns and poo poo right? Well luckily they didn't use them for anything bad!
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People in here siding with the Honduran landed gentry over a revolutionary who tried to better the plight of the poor and working class?? Shocked, I'm shocked!
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Rigel posted:You are cherry-picking little stupid isolated incidents where one or more members of the media did or said something stupid and bad. That does not prove your point at all.  VitalSigns posted:Cutting off military aid to a coup (which by definition is no longer the government you made the aid agreement with) is not intervention, but even we take crazy pills and say that not supporting a coup with free weapons is intervening in a coup (and freedom is slavery and ignorance is peace and) there is a difference between good and bad things and "ah you say the US should stop overthrowing democracies and meddling in free and fair elections, but you want to US to do something about a bloody military dictatorship a-HA you hypocrite" is not the own you think it is. i mean, we could make a venezuela-sanctions comparison, one which does not speak well of our handling of Honduras
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holysherm posted:Yes... The most diverse representation in the history of the house with Justice Dems, self declared socialists, gay native American women, Muslim women, etc. are all worthless neoliberals. They are all already dragging the party left and they haven't even gotten in yet. Try to be just the tiniest bit less cynical and you might not be so miserable. The idea that women, Muslims, and gays can't be worthless neoliberals is really baffling.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:At 100 dollars a barrel there is 128 trillion dollars worth of oil in the ground right now. I forgot that in capitalism, resources just arbitrarily have value, at the same level, forever, and no factor can ever make something worth more or less, or worth so little that its not worth the value to harvest it. If you can make oil no longer worth the price of drilling it and pumping it, then capitalism ensures that it doesn't get pumped. Oil doesn't get pumped because it is worth money and for that reason alone, it gets pumped because it is a fuel source, and therefore is worth money. You take away money, its still a fuel source, and will be pursued as such. The only way to get around is to either put so much regulation on it that its not worth pursuing it as a fuel source, or to make a more abundant fuel source widely available and easier to get than the oil. Neither of these have a single thing to do with capitalism or socialism.
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my bony fealty posted:People in here siding with the Honduran landed gentry over a revolutionary who tried to better the plight of the poor and working class?? Shocked, I'm shocked! The hatred for Trump often makes me forget about what D&D was like as recently as 2014, just constant apologia for war crimes and mass murder as long as the "right people" were doing it (this forum also supported the Iraq War lol, and the only lesson learned was GW Bush and his cronies were the "wrong people" to crush the third world)
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At the gym watching NBC. Reset the counter goons. There was an active shooter outside Mercy Hospital in Chicago. 2 dead 1 wounded...cue the "senseless tragedy" talking points and expect Donny to talk about crime in chicago friendbot2000 fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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holysherm posted:Yes... The most diverse representation in the history of the house with Justice Dems, self declared socialists, gay native American women, Muslim women, etc. are all worthless neoliberals. They are all already dragging the party left and they haven't even gotten in yet. Try to be just the tiniest bit less cynical and you might not be so miserable. you can be a minority and be a worthless neolib duder, see Booker, Corey
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FateFree posted:Does anyone else have a strange feeling that Jacob Wohl had nothing to do with the Avenatti charge, except a dumbass tweet about it afterwards? It seems like if he did it would have been exposed immediately due to sheer stupidity, and Avenatti could have just used his tweet as an opportunity to distract. I hope I'm wrong of course, but I'm getting mixed vibes about this. That's the current assumption I have. I doubt the police would actually arrest Avenatti based on any amateur hour bullshit Wohl is capable of. Republicans fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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And of course Ivanka Trump was using her personal email account for government business. https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1064663635404951552
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FizFashizzle posted:And of course Ivanka Trump was using her personal email account for government business. Lock her up!
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FizFashizzle posted:And of course Ivanka Trump was using her personal email account for government business. But her e-mails!!! (For real though).
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Republicans posted:That's the current assumption I have. I doubt the police wouldn't actually arrest Avenatti based on any amateur hour bullshit Wohl is capable of. Cops are Trumplovers, like the ones who went in to arrest Stormy Daniels under a false pretext. https://twitter.com/TraderOfFutures/status/1064561295968616451 https://twitter.com/TraderOfFutures/status/1064610505837473792 Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The idea that women, Muslims, and gays can't be worthless neoliberals is really baffling. The idea that people like AOC are worthless neoliberals is the product of a swiss cheese brain
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my bony fealty posted:People in here siding with the Honduran landed gentry over a revolutionary who tried to better the plight of the poor and working class?? Shocked, I'm shocked! Uh if you thought Manuel Zelaya was a revolutionary you might want to think again: quote:José Manuel Zelaya Rosales (born 20 September 1952)[2] is a Honduran politician who was President of Honduras from 27 January 2006 until 28 June 2009. He is the eldest son of a wealthy businessman, and inherited his father's nickname "Mel". Before entering politics he was involved in his family's logging and timber businesses. My understanding is that he did have a generally economically progressive Presidency, but it wasn't particularly radical. Note this is not meant as a defense of the coup d'etat, but I can't help but raise aneyebrow when I hear a timber magnate described as a revolutionary.
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the most damning revelation in that wapo story is that ivanka and her husband share an email account like the sociopaths they are E: oh good, they have the experts on the case quote:The couple’s emails are prescreened by the Trump Organization for security problems such as viruses but are stored by Microsoft, the people said. anyways, i am sure the republicans will call for an immediate and comprehensive investigation, complete with hours-long testimony from ivanka on improper email management QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Squalid posted:Uh if you thought Manuel Zelaya was a revolutionary you might want to think again: marx was pretty wealthy dude
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Ague Proof posted:Cops are Trumplovers, like the ones who went in to arrest Stormy Daniels under a false pretext. Yeah asking, “would the police really do [stupid thing] to [known liberal person]?” should be seen as moot question. If it’s anything remotely related to politics, it’s probably a good idea to just assume the cops are being assholes.
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Lemming posted:The idea that people like AOC are worthless neoliberals is the product of a swiss cheese brain AOC and all are in the vast minority in their incoming class though, which was the point to begin with
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Terror Sweat posted:marx was pretty wealthy dude FDR was richer than Trump is.
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And Ayn Rand died poor as poo poo Does this really go anywhere? Or are again just setting up more arbitrary rules about whether you're allowed to mean the poo poo you say?
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RasperFat posted:Yeah asking, “would the police really do [stupid thing] to [known liberal person]?” should be seen as moot question. While "I don't think the police would ever arrest someone without good cause" is not a hill I'm prepared to die on, I do kind of lean towards "given both guys' prior history if Wohl really had set Avenatti up I imagine we would have heard more about it by now." But I also default to "let the two scumbags roll around in the mud together without us".
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RasperFat posted:FDR was richer than Trump is. almost every president was richer than trump is, trump is the rich person equivalent to living off your credit cards
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Squalid posted:Uh if you thought Manuel Zelaya was a revolutionary you might want to think again: I mean Marx and Engels were basically trust fund babies You can argue that Zelaya's leftward shift was cynical and purely political but coming from wealth doesn't exclude revolutionary tendencies. Che was born rich. Coup happened so we'll never know what Zelaya would have done if he had succeeded, unless he mounts a comeback like South/Central American exiled powers sometimes do.
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sexpig by night posted:AOC and all are in the vast minority in their incoming class though, which was the point to begin with It's a stupid point because it has improved significantly. Progress is still good even when things don't become perfect instantly. The good people can help push things to be even better, and we can get more good people in next time. If you want to convince people that you actually think things can get better and we should work to improve them, you're really undercutting yourself by yelling about how things are awful and can never get better, as in Megaman Jockstrap's case.
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FizFashizzle posted:And of course Ivanka Trump was using her personal email account for government business. BUT HER EMAILS! HER EMAILS, YOU GUYS!
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sexpig by night posted:right and uh, you know who gave the military those guns and poo poo right? fulchrum's progression from "blaming the gays for Dubya to own the libs" to "caping for a right wing military dictatorship to own the libs" is truly fascinating to watch
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Lemming posted:The idea that people like AOC are worthless neoliberals is the product of a swiss cheese brain You cannot believe that I was referring to AOC. Come on, I've even praised her today in this thread.
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Ague Proof posted:Cops are Trumplovers, like the ones who went in to arrest Stormy Daniels under a false pretext. That idiot is either a Jacob Wohl fanboy or sock account, and both of those are absolutely pathetic. I'm just not sure which one would be more so.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:You cannot believe that I was referring to AOC. Come on, I've even praised her today in this thread. When he said "the incoming House is the most diverse ever and is already pulling the party to the left" you replied "actually they are all worthless neoliberals" cut the poo poo dude. If you don't want people to call you out on bad posting, don't post bad.
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sexpig by night posted:you can be a minority and be a worthless neolib duder, see Booker, Corey Totally true, except for the fact that they don't appear to be whatsoever. The incoming class, even considering how red some of these districts are, are definitely further left than the large class in 2008 that ended up passing the aca with like 30 blue dogs in there. There bulk of these reps already ran saying they support things like single payer, avr, new vra, strong climate legislation etc. And they are also already organizing to primary out any moderates who represent deep blue districts to move the party further left. I'm very optimistic about the actions they're taking already. I don't remember anything quite like this happening from the party's left flank.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:fulchrum's progression from "blaming the gays for Dubya to own the libs" to "caping for a right wing military dictatorship to own the libs" is truly fascinating to watch Democratic politicians (and people who cosplay as Democratic politicians on the Internet) love right-wing dictatorships because they make money for their ultrawealthy friends (and for their ultrawealthy pretend-friends in the case of people who cosplay as Democratic politicians on the Internet) so this is actually less surprising than the truly bizarre take that it was all uppity gay people's fault that the man who campaigned on agreeing fully and completely with Bush's homophobia lost for insufficient homophobia thanks to the Pink Menace.
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Terror Sweat posted:marx was pretty wealthy dude lol, just looking over some of the sources on the wikipedia article, Zelaya's dad spent four years in prison during the eighties after a bunch of campesino's were mysteriously tortured and murdered on his property. He was pardoned by the junta then in power before he even got to trial. https://books.google.com/books?id=Y...orcones&f=false This guy sounds like a real hero of the people alright.
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