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hawowanlawow posted:They definitely cost a lot more than that They're basically Roombas and those cost a few hundred, point still stands.
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yeah like, still way way more than that though
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hawowanlawow posted:yeah like, still way way more than that though It’s irrelevant, but I think you may be over estimating the cost of those robots. They don’t really have to do much. It looks like they actually track to a grid of marks on the floor, you can make a robot do that for almost nothing, you can get $10 kits to do that. It doesn’t have to be all that intelligent, it’s not like each robot is thinking, there’s going to be a central controller tracking position and figuring out routing and then managing the robots through that, so each robot just needs to be able to get from one grid point to the very next, and needs to be able to dump a package off. Instead of a bunch of robots, think of it more as one giant robot and what you see there are just its appendages. That’s a pretty cheap set of specs. If each robot were a one-off, that’d increase the cost a lot, but they’re obviously manufactured at scale. The only thing adding to the cost is that they maybe need to be a bit more robust? But probably not terribly so, each robot is perfectly replaceable and the environment is nicely controlled. So nah, they probably don’t cost all that much at all, especially not to a huge company like alibaba. e: Based on some quick googling, an alibaba warehouse handled by robots got a 300% increase in output with a 70% reduction in human labor. Alibaba reportedly gets 12.7 BILLION orders a year. Who fuckin’ cares what each bot costs. Bad Munki has a new favorite as of 15:44 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Bad Munki posted:Doesn’t matter, though. It’s a one time cost, and as long as the maintenance cost per hour worked is less than that of a human, the robot wins eventually. Just wait until the Robots start getting Rights, you'll have to give them holiday pay, sick pay, maternity leave etc.
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And wait til they turn up Monday late as heck and all crunkt up and tipping poo poo in the wrong bin all day and you can't do squat about it cause there's no pee test for AC voltage
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Karate Bastard posted:And wait til they turn up Monday late as heck and all crunkt up and tipping poo poo in the wrong bin all day and you can't do squat about it cause there's no pee test for AC voltage Turn up Monday? poo poo we gotta give them the weekend off too? 
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What about instead of a complex system of semi-autonomous robots that likely need service on a regular schedule, how about a long conveyor belt with metal arms that whip out and go FAPPO and smack the packages into shipping chutes and costs next to nothing and needs service once a year.
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What, you think FAPPO just grows on trees?
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You mean like this right?
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:What about instead of a complex system of semi-autonomous robots that likely need service on a regular schedule, how about a long conveyor belt with metal arms that whip out and go FAPPO and smack the packages into shipping chutes and costs next to nothing and needs service once a year. Don't you see how many holes there are? Imagine a conveyor belt system with enough branches for that, and one broken branch will affect every shute after it. It's more complex, so more can go wrong and repairs will take down the whole system. The robots parallelize the delivery since they can just circumvent the busier shutes and a broken robot will just be driven around until it is picked up for repair.
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hawowanlawow posted:They definitely cost a lot more than that I think you're overestimating the material costs involved in building these things. As consumer goods they'd be significantly more expensive, but then you're paying for the IP and markups at various points in the sales chain too. The company also has costs involved in the design and manufacturing capital for the bots, outfitting the warehouse etc, but once that's done their only costs are the materials for the bots which would not be expensive at all. Certainly not much more than the forklifts/carts etc that their employees would be using anyway. To contribute a gif, here's how Amazon are doing it: https://i.imgur.com/ptiKnRp.gifv These bots are probably significantly more expensive because they carry a lot more weight but even if they're like $20000, they're still free labour within 6 months compared to an employee anywhere in the US. They're also much more efficient, and can work 24hrs a day. And again, keep in mind that their employees would probably be driving a forklift or something similar anyway which would cost about the same or more.
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Lurking Haro posted:Don't you see how many holes there are? Stuff like this is cool. http://i.imgur.com/iqIuhAD.gifv But you don't need branches that can break. You can also have a conveyor of tiny conveyors that dump poo poo off the sides when at a chute. https://i.imgur.com/a5NdavK.mp4 Added bonus of this approach is that you can just pull out a sub-unit and replace it with minimal downtime. Geemer has a new favorite as of 01:12 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Lurking Haro posted:Don't you see how many holes there are? Did you factor in the cost savings of FAPPO tech?
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:What about instead of a complex system of semi-autonomous robots that likely need service on a regular schedule, how about a long conveyor belt with metal arms that whip out and go FAPPO and smack the packages into shipping chutes and costs next to nothing and needs service once a year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AboxUKxRYJw
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bike tory posted:
I think people are underestimating both the cost of the robots and the humans Because those KIVA amazon bots indeed cost about 20K a piece. Nearly all non-consumer machines are much more expensive than many people think. Which is still less than the cost of labor in the developed world.
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Oh god, now I'm thinking about the theme song, son of a bitch.
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But I ain't seen nothing like him In any amusement hall That deaf dumb and blind kid...
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Geemer posted:But you don't need branches that can break. You can also have a conveyor of tiny conveyors that dump poo poo off the sides when at a chute. This isn't sped up, they're just using blue conveyor belts.
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When I grow up I'm gonna be a robot and I'm totally gonna push all my robot colleagues into them drat chutes all drat day any chance I get like beep boop motherfuckers
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Ak Gara posted:This isn't sped up, they're just using blue conveyor belts.
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Ak Gara posted:This isn't sped up, they're just using blue conveyor belts. That's a very niche joke. I appreciated it.
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Lol I just reminded myself that magic is real, and this spell of protection from sadness 10' radius exists It works!
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haveblue posted:They're basically Roombas and those cost a few hundred, point still stands. but think of the value of putting all those people out of work
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Gort posted:but think of the value of putting all those people out of work Is getting people to do repetitive warehouse work really something we should be fighting to protect?
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Aramoro posted:Is getting people to do repetitive warehouse work really something we should be fighting to protect? This is the exact plot of this week's Doctor Who
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Aramoro posted:Is getting people to do repetitive warehouse work really something we should be fighting to protect? the same people who are working to make those people unemployed will also fight to ensure that unemployment is synonymous with destitution, sickness and death
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RELEASE THE QUACKEN! 
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I hope one day we're all unemployed. If they ever make a robot that can smile and has a good handshake, I'm out of work.
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mobby_6kl posted:And they're not actually blue at all! Aramoro posted:That's a very niche joke. I appreciated it.
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Ak Gara posted:RELEASE THE QUACKEN!
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Solice Kirsk posted:I hope one day we're all unemployed. That's not far long, robots or not.
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Chiming in to say I also understood the video game conveyor belt reference. https://i.imgur.com/MUzOgcZ.mp4
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