Lightning Knight posted:

What concerns me is that we're currently seeing challenges to Nancy Pelosi from the right. It failed because Blue Dogs are a joke, but if there were more of them it might actually be a serious problem. And imo, more suburbanite support for Democrats means more Blue Dogs.

I'm not saying I don't want their votes (I guess, I mean I would rather they didn't vote R at least), I'm just saying it's probably a double-edged sword.

Not a Step posted:

Anyone willing to persevere through the byzantine court system probably has a pretty good argument. Its definitely survivor bias, but what is this guy's point?

lifetime supply of Pocky posted:

My favorite sub-genre of Dems Bad posting is the kind that predicts a far-future Dems Bad moment and uses that unfalsifiable clairvoyance as bait in order to pull out the same re-runs over and over and over and over and over and over

AntifaSupersoldier posted:

Lightning Knight posted:

I'm torn on whether to respond "of course not, they're probably shredding as many documents as they can find" and "maybe Trump is dumb enough to record himself all the time like Nixon did..."

^ See I disagree because I see the surge of suburban support for Dems as a harbinger of bad things in our electoral future, not good. Suburbanites are terrible. I grew up in the suburbs too man, it's bad.

Crow Jane posted:

I don't know if they'll make a thing of it (as you said, the guy broke a TON of laws to get there), but the Sentinelese are fascinating as hell, from what little is known about them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese

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pre-Neolithic

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As the bodies of people killed by the Islanders have been found, it's been determined they do not practice cannibalism.

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In early 1974, a National Geographic film crew went to the island with a team of anthropologists to film a documentary, Man in Search of Man. They were accompanied by armed police officers with sufficient protection. When the motorboat broke through the barrier reefs, the locals emerged from the jungle and discharged arrows at the boat. They landed at a safe-point on the coast and gifts in the forms of a miniature plastic car, some coconuts, a live pig, a doll, and aluminum cookware were left in the sand.[31] The Sentinelese followed up by launching another round of arrows, one of which struck the documentary director in his thigh. The man who wounded the director withdrew to the shade of a tree and laughed proudly while others speared and then buried the pig and the doll. Afterwards, they left, taking with them the coconuts and aluminium cookware.

sean10mm posted:

DaveWoo posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1065346909362143232

STAC Goat posted:

We haven't actually lost out on anything as long as we don't significantly compromise ourselves to appease Person X in the short term. The only problem is if Person X asks me to do something and I agree and that pisses you off to go away. Right? So like... don't give them the more moderate Speaker. Don't drop social issues and gun control to appease to "economically anxious" voters. Don't abandon our values or stop trying to appeal to our base. And if and when the "NeverTrumpers" jump ship it will be a loss but not one that actually sets us back.

I was maybe a LITTLE concerned about it with the Speaker fight but that really didn't turn out to be anything so I'm good and if anything kind of reassured with how much folks on the left like AOC didn't take the bait and Pelosi dealt with the folks on the right without seeming to actually give up anything.

STAC Goat posted:

I mean, as someone who grew up in the projects, moved to the suburbs, went to school with an even mix, and has taught students from both I would agree that not only are suburbs bad but their children are demons.

I'm just not sure how that's an electoral problem.

You and I vote Democrat. Persons X and Y vote Republican.
Person Y does something that offends Person X so much that they come to our side and vote Democrat.
Four years later Person Y is gone and Person X votes Republican again.

We haven't actually lost out on anything as long as we don't significantly compromise ourselves to appease Person X in the short term. The only problem is if Person X asks me to do something and I agree and that pisses you off to go away. Right? So like... don't give them the more moderate Speaker. Don't drop social issues and gun control to appease to "economically anxious" voters. Don't abandon our values or stop trying to appeal to our base. And if and when the "NeverTrumpers" jump ship it will be a loss but not one that actually sets us back.

I was maybe a LITTLE concerned about it with the Speaker fight but that really didn't turn out to be anything so I'm good and if anything kind of reassured with how much folks on the left like AOC didn't take the bait and Pelosi dealt with the folks on the right without seeming to actually give up anything.

DaveWoo posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1065346909362143232

Lightning Knight posted:

The thing is that I'm not convinced the "don't drop social issues and gun control" thing won't happen. Third Way has been pushing that since Trump won. People in this thread were making that argument the day after the midterms. The push for that definitely exists, and it scares me.

The prospect of a hypothetical successful Blue Dog leadership coup scares me even more. Blue Dogs should stay a joke.

DaveWoo posted:

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1065313120594186241

STAC Goat posted:

It scares me as a possibility of something out there that COULD happen, like in the same way that I worry I could slip in the shower. But they didn't do it in 2018 so I don't see any reason why they'd do in leading to 2020. The argument I made when people pushed it last time in this thread was that if the Democrats had a big victory with tons of upsets running on this platform in 2018 it would be political malfeasance for them to suddenly turn right for 2020 against Trump. It doesn't mean its an impossible thing to happen but I need more evidence than "Chuck Schumer agreed to let through some judges who were gonna get through anyway" or "Nancy Pelosi made vague promises to be a bi partisan Speaker" before I really get worried. That stuff's just day to day ball.

Ague Proof posted:

John Roberts has made his decision, now let him tweet it.

Not a Step posted:

Congrats, you identified the problem.

“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

The Democrats will look for any excuse to appeal to the right, and picking up Republican converts in the suburbs is an enormous signal flare they they gotta get more racist and cut taxes even harder.

Dr. VooDoo posted:

Nazi likes other Nazi go figure

STAC Goat posted:

But like, that's a quote from July 2016, BEFORE Trump beat Hillary and before the 2018 Blue Wave of progressive candidates and red district upsets without such a compromise on the platform. So why should I put more stock in that quote than I do in what has happened for the 2 and a half years since then? Its possible they'll still try and do it, but the tide is going the other way.

STAC Goat posted:

But like, that's a quote from July 2016, BEFORE Trump beat Hillary and before the 2018 Blue Wave of progressive candidates and red district upsets without such a compromise on the platform. So why should I put more stock in that quote than I do in what has happened for the 2 and a half years since then? Its possible they'll still try and do it, but the tide is going the other way.

Besides, you and I are talking about two completely different things. You're talking about making a deliberate turn right to appeal to Republican voters. I'm talking about "moderates" who have come left because of Trump. Let them in. Accept their votes. Don't give them anything unless they have leverage. I hope they don't get enough leverage to get something but like... what's the alternative? You rather they go Republican?

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Joke's on them, my insurance didn't pay for my CPAP at all so there's no benefits to deny, so I don't care if they monitor me!

STAC Goat posted:

I hope they don't get enough leverage to get something but like... what's the alternative? You rather they go Republican?

The Glumslinger posted:

John Roberts, welcome to the #resistance

predicto posted:

Of course. Purity of progressive thought and language is far more important than ever actually weilding political power to accomplish anything. Are you new around here or something?

Not a Step posted:

Anyone willing to persevere through the byzantine court system probably has a pretty good argument. Its definitely survivor bias, but what is this guy's point?

sexpig by night posted:

I'm genuinely curious if Trump/Pence will try to make a thing out of this

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/21/asia/andaman-nicobar-us-missionary-killed-intl/index.html

Basically a missionary broke tons of local laws to visit some extremely isolated 17 person tribe off India's coasts to ~preach~ to them and got owned with a bow and arrow. It's the most western story we've had in years and I've already seen some people trying to spin this as 'SAVAGE TRIBE MURDERS INNOCENT MISSIONARY'

predicto posted:

Of course. Purity of progressive thought and language is far more important than ever actually weilding political power to accomplish anything. Are you new around here or something?

predicto posted:

Of course. Purity of progressive thought and language is far more important than ever actually weilding political power to accomplish anything. Are you new around here or something?

xrunner posted:

The supreme court takes very few cases. The ones they take its either because they think the case is wrong, or because two different circuits have come to different conclusions. That means on the supreme court takes a case it has a good chance of being overruled in the first place. So the reality is many of the decisions by the ninth circuit court of appeals that are reviewed by the Supreme Court are overturned. But those cases make up a minuscule amount of the actual cases decided by the ninth circuit court of appeals in any given year. I think there are other circuits that have a worse rate of cases being overturned

xrunner posted:

The supreme court takes very few cases. The ones they take its either because they think the case is wrong, or because two different circuits have come to different conclusions. That means on the supreme court takes a case it has a good chance of being overruled in the first place. So the reality is many of the decisions by the ninth circuit court of appeals that are reviewed by the Supreme Court are overturned. But those cases make up a minuscule amount of the actual cases decided by the ninth circuit court of appeals in any given year. I think there are other circuits that have a worse rate of cases being overturned

GreyjoyBastard posted:

fucker deserved it, don't break the Prime Directive uncontacted tribe cordon

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

My goodness....dude have you seen Schumer's quotes since? He's still beating the same drum.

Clunk Tap It posted:

Germany earned that forgiveness by acknowledging Hitler was a mistake and making being a Nazi a crime.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Yes and letting any old moron into the Democratic party regardless of economic beliefs gets you a Republican law enforcement plan + a Republican foreign policy + a Republican healthcare plan + a Republican economic policy + a rapidly rising tide of fascism.

We tried it your way. It didn't work.

predicto posted:

Of course. Purity of progressive thought and language is far more important than ever actually weilding political power to accomplish anything. Are you new around here or something?