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My only nitpick is where he was getting the money to do all this? In s2 they mention he was burning through it at a rapid pace.
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Lurdiak posted:I'd rather an omnipotent villain than one who can very easily be stopped but the heroes keep loving up or giving them a second chance to maintain the status quo. Either way, a villain that very blatantly can only be stopped when the writers decide it's the end of the season isn't very good. S3 Kingpin is one of the worst villains in the Marvel Netflix lineup as far as I'm concerned. He doesn't even have the good graces to have his legitimate flaws from season one.
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Cythereal posted:Either way, a villain that very blatantly can only be stopped when the writers decide it's the end of the season isn't very good. S3 Kingpin is one of the worst villains in the Marvel Netflix lineup as far as I'm concerned. He doesn't even have the good graces to have his legitimate flaws from season one. Seriously, him bodying that fbi agent felt like an oh poo poo he's supposed to have flaws last minute rear end pull
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Nov 22, 2018 03:20
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How long have they known about Vanessa?
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SardonicTyrant posted:My only nitpick is where he was getting the money to do all this? In s2 they mention he was burning through it at a rapid pace. After Punisher took out the top prison guy he became prison kingpin.
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Nov 22, 2018 04:18
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Does that pay well in anything other than rear end and cigarettes?
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brocked posted:Does that pay well in anything other than rear end and cigarettes? What else would you want 🤔
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brocked posted:Does that pay well in anything other than rear end and cigarettes? Enough rear end and cigarettes to take over a lot of the FBI, apparently.
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Remember when the Punisher met Fisk, and he was all like when you eventually get out of prison I'll be there to murder your criminal rear end? No?
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everyone complaining about the Karen episode (besides the pacing of it which sucked) should play the Bea path in Night in the Woods because it is a great example of how soul-crushing life in a dying town is although everyone should play Night in the Woods because it rulz ok
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Enough rear end and cigarettes to take over a lot of the FBI, apparently. Also to fund your girlfriend's life overseas while you're simultaneously laundering enough money to purchase a swanky NYC hotel
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Lurdiak posted:I'd rather an omnipotent villain than one who can very easily be stopped but the heroes keep loving up or giving them a second chance to maintain the status quo. why on earth would these be our only choices, my god
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HIJK posted:why on earth would these be our only choices, my god I was alluding to other superhero shows.
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Calaveron posted:Seriously, him bodying that fbi agent felt like an oh poo poo he's supposed to have flaws last minute rear end pull This. Kingpin in S1 was interesting because he was a deeply flawed and complicated man. He's dangerously intelligent, almost superhumanly strong, and very intensely driven... but he's also miserably insecure, has a hair-trigger temper that frequently works against him, and his insecurity leads to an extremely sensitive and fragile sense of pride. There's a reason Fisk ends S1 alone, having lost all of his former partners and allies along the way - and Fisk was responsible to a greater or lesser degree for every single one. He personally killed the Russian and the accountant, his lack of control drove away Gao, he wittingly or otherwise engineered Nobu's death at Matt's hands, and the explosive situation caused by Fisk's own actions forced Vanessa to flee. I don't know who this JUST AS PLANNED bozo in S3 is, but he's not the Kingpin from S1.
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I really don't get the "just as planned" read. He doesn't ever actually have a plan. He just threatens you and if you dont play ball he kills someone you care about, every single time. rewatch the drat show, he never ONCE goes "A ha, just as I thought!", the only example of that is Ray's boss explaining why his sister's healthcare got cut. Everything else is just responding to any threat to his power with another threat, or a SWAT team. The complaint of him being too powerful still holds, but he's not a mastermind, he's just a thug with an incredibly underdeveloped dog (the british fixer//cleaner guy exists basically to solve all of Fisks problems without actually having to contribute anything of value to the plot) who solves every problem identically. Also, I thought the whole point of S3 was to show that the Kingpin is trying to grow up and not just be a big violent baby anymore so he can be the King Vanessa deserves, but its this new sense of accountability to her that undoes him. The only way to hurt Fisk is to take away what HE cares about, and the only people he cared about are her and Wesley.
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How do you get the idea that S3 Fisk isn't flawed. Every single scene he has with Vanessa he turns into a complete awkward teenager.
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Bust Rodd posted:Also, I thought the whole point of S3 was to show that the Kingpin is trying to grow up and not just be a big violent baby anymore so he can be the King Vanessa deserves, but its this new sense of accountability to her that undoes him. The only way to hurt Fisk is to take away what HE cares about, and the only people he cared about are her and Wesley.
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Cythereal posted:
He hadn't quite become "The Kingpin" in S1. It was more like "Kingpin Begins". His fulfillment of the mantle was exemplified by donning the white suit. I loved this season and, yeah, some of Fisk's clairvoyance strained credibility at times but I took it as him learning from his mistakes, biding his time and planning behind the scenes in jail for 2 years, and the domino effect of corralling so many cops and agents. The more people he turns and corrupts, the more he CAN corrupt and control. Plus, he has so much inside information now which no one else has that he can exploit. D'Onofrio is just so damned good I was just thankful to have him on screen so much this season. The lack of ninjas and Black Sky bullshit was addition by subtraction. I would have liked a Punisher role somewhere to build off the events of S2 but that's something they can do if they move forward. Speaking of that, what would be the best way to continue? Ideas?
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Moon Knight accidentally kills Matt and Karen and one of his personalities falls in love with one of Typhoid Mary's personalities. The Daughters of the Dragon (who are also a couple now) discover that Foggy is in a coma and has become Sleepwalker. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones get back together, Danny Rand returns to KunLun but his consciousness has been downloaded into a souped up iPod that Luke Cage carries around. Mid season it's revealed that Moon Knight is actually Hal Meachum who was transformed by an ancient artifact on his way home from KunLun. The new Iron Fist appears at the end of the season, his name is Fat Cobra and his best friend's name is Shang Chi.
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brocked posted:Moon Knight accidentally kills Matt and Karen and one of his personalities falls in love with one of Typhoid Mary's personalities. The Daughters of the Dragon (who are also a couple now) discover that Foggy is in a coma and has become Sleepwalker. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones get back together, Danny Rand returns to KunLun but his consciousness has been downloaded into a souped up iPod that Luke Cage carries around. Mid season it's revealed that Moon Knight is actually Hal Meachum who was transformed by an ancient artifact on his way home from KunLun. The new Iron Fist appears at the end of the season, his name is Fat Cobra and his best friend's name is Shang Chi. Holy poo poo, are you the real Scott Buck?
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I’d be down with Chang Chi showing up and never getting hit once and showing these fools how to do it right.
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I wish Daredevil could recapture what was interesting about Season 1, which made viewers think about the dynamics of gentrification and exploitative capitalists tearing apart communities of people. Season 3 ditched the ninjas but still retained an extreme comicbookiness about it, which made the entire affair less interesting.
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LinYutang posted:I wish Daredevil could recapture what was interesting about Season 1, which made viewers think about the dynamics of gentrification and exploitative capitalists tearing apart communities of people. There was a hint of it towards the beginning, where everyone's calling out the FBI for giving Fisk a free penthouse suite. Fisk isn't really a white collar criminal in the traditional sense, but it still kinda fits with the metaphor. But as the season goes on everyone kinda forgets it as Fisk turns into a super criminal mastermind.
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I liked DDS3 a lot! It helps that D’Onofrio is straw-into-gold actor that can take the cheesiest material and make it compelling. I also dug their take on Bullseye (ridiculous final scene excluded). The throwing power will never not be cool and cinematic. Karen was probably used better here than any other season she’s been in as well, and they worked in twists on the Born Again stuff in surprising ways. I was getting pretty tired of these shows this year but this was a nice return to form.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:I liked DDS3 a lot! It helps that D’Onofrio is straw-into-gold actor that can take the cheesiest material and make it compelling. i don't know, have you seen Jurassic World?
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BiggerBoat posted:i don't know, have you seen Jurassic World? If he was the main character it might have been better!
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All I know is, I'm sad that I'll never get to see Tom Holland web D'Onofrio's feet to the floor in a restaurant and roast him for being fat.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:All I know is, I'm sad that I'll never get to see Tom Holland web D'Onofrio's feet to the floor in a restaurant and roast him for being fat. I want to believe we'll get a Holland/D'Onofrio movie.
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It was funny how Season 1 can be boiled down to "The police are irredeemably evil and corrupt, only the Feds can be trusted." and Season 3 can be boiled down to "The Feds are irredeemably evil and corrupt, only the police can be trusted." While I thought the season was good, I do have to second the complaints on how people were just lining up to sell out to Fisk. Dex made sense because he's insane and Fisk seduced rather than bribed/threatened him. But it strained credibility at how people would go against their own immediate self-interest so easily.
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I got the impression that Fisk landed people by making it their best interest to go along with him. The show went to some length to demonstrate how he went after families to break prospective "employees." This was a fun season! I don't really get the Karen or Foggy complainers, but that extended Karen flashback was a huge shift in pace and tone that I had a lot of trouble staying interested in.
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Fisk could easily be defeated by just not having vulnerable friends, family or loved ones of any kind. Or just being willing to sacrifice them so it's kinda wild that he was able to succeed for so long.
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Season 1: The indelible corruption of the NYPD and ills of gentrification in a corrupt kleptocracy Season 2: my girlfriend is the Jesus of Zombie Ninjas. Also the Punisher is here. Season 3: A plaintive look at the value of guilt & shame when confronting your pathos and finding yourself wanting. One of these things is not like the other.
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Bust Rodd posted:Season 1: The indelible corruption of the NYPD and ills of gentrification in a corrupt kleptocracy If it weren't for the ninjas, Season 2 would have been good: When confronting broken and corrupt institutions and simply beating people up doesn't get the job done, what lengths are permissible or desirable to achieve good ends?
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The only thing I find profoundly disappointing about Daredevil outside of the obvious season 2 woes is the lack of courtroom drama. I had the same problem with Jessica Jones. Courtroom drama but with a superhero and private investigator drama but with superpowers are awesome premises that are getting wasted by getting lost in the superhero part.
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LividLiquid posted:The only thing I find profoundly disappointing about Daredevil outside of the obvious season 2 woes is the lack of courtroom drama. I had the same problem with Jessica Jones. Courtroom drama but with a superhero and private investigator drama but with superpowers are awesome premises that are getting wasted by getting lost in the superhero part. I hated JJ2 and her being an actual PI would have made it pretty good. The only good things about JJ1 were David Tenet and the little bit of actual PI related things the show had.
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Jessica Jones is completely coasting on David Tennant as Kilgrave and ritters great attitude she brings to the character. Other than that it’s trash
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I just wanted hard-drinkin, former superhero Veronica Mars.
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We’re not getting anything after the next season of J.J. https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1068320618557272064?s=20
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Edmund Lava posted:We’re not getting anything after the next season of J.J. and Punisher S2, which has also wrapped filming anyway, we can always cross our fingers for a revival on Disney+ or more likely Hulu, though I don't think that's a foregone conclusion like some fans do
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