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Milo and POTUS posted:Old gyro loving owned. I'm honestly more upset about the Gyrocoper's STATS getting nerfed to become the Flying Machine than I am about the model/name change. Gyrocopers were goddamn strong.
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:The model changes were bad too. The glaive thrower too. What were they thinking? They were thinking they didn't want to deal with a lawsuit from Games Workshop. Pretty much all of the ROC to TFT changes were because the units in question resembled specific Warhammer Fantasy models.
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BlazetheInferno posted:I'm honestly more upset about the Gyrocoper's STATS getting nerfed to become the Flying Machine than I am about the model/name change. One of my earliest accounts was Dwarf from above and I'd mass them with bombs. Especially fun at stratholme. God I loved early wc3.
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Quantumfate posted:I was just trying to figure out that game as well. It wasn't kings and knights, but was more RPG themed. There were different regions of the maps, some of which were clearly for building bases. Would that I knew it. sols open rpg
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Kith posted:They were thinking they didn't want to deal with a lawsuit from Games Workshop. Pretty much all of the ROC to TFT changes were because the units in question resembled specific Warhammer Fantasy models. Do they really own the rights to catapults and ballistae? That's wild. For what it's worth a quick GIS is not bringing up any that look like the ones in Warcraft 3.
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It may have also been to give Blizzard better copyright protection because the names Catapults/Ballista/Wyvern are generic while the new names are more specific to Warcraft. Gyrocopter and Steam Tank seem less likely for that reason but who knows. Gruntapult was/is my favourite strategy to crush Elves with so Catapults for life yo
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Games Workshop is pretty eager to sue anything that bears a resemblance. They've gone so far and destroyed their own fantasy setting and phased out their old more generic names for poo poo so that they can come up with ridiculous but more easily copyrighted nonsense like "Steamhead Duragon" or whatever instead of "Dwarf". Warcraft has frequently adopted some of their ideas and made them their own, but some of the old references are still in their games even. As far as I recall, the Alliance Gryphon Rider in Warcraft III even makes a direct reference to Warhammer. GW used to be involved in a lot of lawsuits, some of which they've famously lost, some of which they've won, so it's really not surprising that Blizzard wanted to be save rather than sorry and just changed a couple names.
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Which is very funny because the same thing happened between Valve and Blizzard with Dota, to the point where they changed Skeleton King to Wraith King because of Diablo's Leoric. There's also Windrunner -> Windranger, Necrolyte -> Necrophos, etc.Zwiebel posted:Games Workshop is pretty eager to sue anything that bears a resemblance. They've gone so far and destroyed their own fantasy setting and phased out their old more generic names for poo poo so that they can come up with ridiculous but more easily copyrighted nonsense like "Steamhead Duragon" or whatever instead of "Dwarf". Warcraft has frequently adopted some of their ideas and made them their own, but some of the old references are still in their games even. GW even tried to sue a book author for using the term "space marine". Granted, the administration changed since then and I don't know if they are as lawsuit-happy but man, what a shitshow. The changes they made to the Warhammer Fantasy race names in the transition to Age of Sigmar are REALLY dumb. Just a few examples: Dwarf -> Duardin Elf -> Aelf Orc -> Orruk Ogre -> Ogor Lizardmen -> Seraphon Troll -> Trogoth The most ironic part is that they had an evil dark elf king, titled The Witch King in-universe, who was called Malekith. Who in turn got renamed to avoid Marvel's attention 
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Blood Mage Is Back Baby also, blizz-hosted custom games. nice
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Zwiebel posted:As far as I recall, the Alliance Gryphon Rider in Warcraft III even makes a direct reference to Warhammer. That particular line actually got dummied out at some point. He just skips right past it when you're clicking through his annoyed quotes. The line is question is "This warhammer cost 40k, hehehe!"
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We got a discord server or something in the rare chance I could play with some goons? Just reinstalled.
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Azran posted:Which is very funny because the same thing happened between Valve and Blizzard with Dota, to the point where they changed Skeleton King to Wraith King because of Diablo's Leoric. There's also Windrunner -> Windranger, Necrolyte -> Necrophos, etc. They even had perfectly good names, like Dawi for Dwarf and Asur for (High) Elf. Ælf is a The Simpsons tier name change.
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Also they just had to throw in Totally Not Space Marines.
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uniball posted:Blood Mage Is Back Baby Hell yes. I used to love going Blood Mage foots->fast knights in HU v NE. I always played random, so they seldom saw it coming.
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AKM Style (Solo BM, Militia Creep, turtle + tech while skipping barracks) was always the best way to play anyway
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I could never get the hang of that. There was another guy on the wc3 forums who was inspired by AKM to come up with crazy BM strats and super-fast knights was one of them. I stole the strat from him. Another one was using BM to clear trees behind the enemy town and then building cannon towers there, using the goblin zepplin to spot and travel. again, a specific HU v NE strat.
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boviscopophobic posted:Massing 1-food flying machines is hilarious, though. Makes me miss the days when Hurricane Isles was in 4v4 rotation. It was one of the few island maps that saw ladder play and was a huge mass air shitfest every time 
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General Battuta posted:You're the captain! Ahoy! Ahoy! I would love to. Your sound card works perfectly.
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I use to listen to the Warcraft 2 sound track on my CD player because I was a huge nerd. The secret track was dope as hell though
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2zOx0nhFDo When does Grubby kill the ogre at his north 10:30 green camp? He uses skele stick at 3:29 but I never saw him camera over that camp.
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Milo and POTUS posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2zOx0nhFDo he never did. orc stole it while he was running around the map + cancelling shop
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Hahaha oh my god I watched it like 5 times and couldn't figure out what the hell happened
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Milo and POTUS posted:Hahaha oh my god I watched it like 5 times and couldn't figure out what the hell happened Low level item-holding creeps generally have short lives when there's a BM on the field. You can see red is about to snipe his own ogre at 3:40 
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Yeah it just slipped my mind. I had an open on TR where I was very aggressive with that strat and often stole the ogre items from theirs first thing as well.
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Surprising fact about AKM; very not Korean
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Chopstix posted:Surprising fact about AKM; very not Korean Hahaha I literally found this out watching a stream of his the other day.
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Chopstix posted:Surprising fact about AKM; very not Korean Yeah honestly I was the biggest fan back in the day at bloodmage.com and I can't watch him stream. The text personality was so amazing
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I installed this after at least a decade of not playing and lost to the computer. Game is good.
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Yeah his texts were hilarious. Also when he plays now he goes mana drain first, and the. Goes banish, not getting flamestrike till much later, I think thats’s new
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So I tried to hop onto Bnet for the first time in years and definitely the first time on this machine. It makes me download it and restart. All's well at this point. Then it has like some updater that pops up and takes about an hour. Fine. Has options for repair and launch. Finish that and start the game from the updater and cannot play it in widescreen. Two huge black lines about 2-2.5 inches on the sides. Friend didn't make it to Bnet so I closed the game. On a whim, tried to start it from start menu, see if the black bars issue would resolve itself and got a system error, stating that "The code execution cannot proceed because mss32.dll was not found. Reinstalling the program may fix this problem." I don't even think I have the cd key any more lmao
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Chopstix posted:Yeah his texts were hilarious. Also when he plays now he goes mana drain first, and the. Goes banish, not getting flamestrike till much later, I think thats’s new That's a matchup specific thing, good against Undead and good against Orc Wyvern and Hippo strats because that strike don't hit air. I personally can never resist the temptation of speed creeping to level 3, buying an invis potion as soon as its available, and then one-striking all 5 acolytes and teleport staffing out.
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Purely out of curiosity, why did Frozen Throne revamp magic damage and add so many anti-caster units? Were casters making GBS threads all over the RoC meta? I love reading about metagames so the more detail the better.
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General Battuta posted:Purely out of curiosity, why did Frozen Throne revamp magic damage and add so many anti-caster units? Were casters making GBS threads all over the RoC meta? I love reading about metagames so the more detail the better. Yes, casters did piercing damage and they hadn't introduced the "unarmored" type so toward the end of RoC there wasn't really any reason to build non-caster units, I remember mass priest/sorc and shaman/wd being the meta, both of those comps having pretty insane healing and damage, with ud going mass necro/banshee (where the entire matchup hinged around who could buy up the "wand of negations" from goblin shops). I don't remember exactly what NE did but I guess bears and birds.
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Huh, that's crazy. You'd think a bunch of basic grunts/footmen would just overwhelm them, even if the casters had ranged piercing attacks, but I guess their spells were just that good? Or was piercing damage just universally good in RoC?
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I can't speak to specifics on damage TYPES, but another couple of big things RoC casters had over TFT casters was (a) higher baseline damage and (b) they got increased attack damage from their upgrade techs. Both of those got altered/removed, respectively. For instance, I believe shaman went from something like 16-19ish damage (with full upgrades) to 8-9 flat (no improvement researchable) in the transition.
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