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Kim Jong Il posted:Going after civilians is wrong Surprised KJI's keyboard still works after the whiplash of going from his previous posts to this
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Nov 18, 2018 18:59
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Israel is costbenefit analysing the gently caress out of gaza though. With airstrikes and blockades
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Nov 18, 2018 18:59
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I do wonder what the IDF puts in the 'cost' column when it comes to bombing gaza
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Nov 18, 2018 19:02
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If the tunnels were in Israeli territory why did they have to cross the border at all to collapse them.
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Nov 18, 2018 19:05
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VitalSigns posted:If the tunnels were in Israeli territory why did they have to cross the border at all to collapse them. This is something I've wondered for a while. They're aware of the tunnels, they know they're in Israeli territory, why not collapse them in Israel? A tunnel with no exit doesn't seem particularly useful and also destroying the exit doesn't require sending troops into Palestinian territory.
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Nov 18, 2018 19:19
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Kim Jong Il posted:What do you call Hamas digging tunnels in Israeli territory then? Gee, I feel like we just covered this question like five posts ago. Main Paineframe posted:If there was in fact a soldier-abducting tunnel going into Israeli territory, and Israel did in fact know about it, then they had plenty of options for dealing with it that didn't involve breaking a ceasefire. Dealing with people tunneling at you without having to send troops overland into enemy lines to seize the tunnel entrance was something militaries could manage centuries ago, usually with far less of a technological and materiel advantage than Israel currently possesses.
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Nov 18, 2018 19:56
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They were also being really really rude and that just provoked israel because israel is like a wild animal and its your fault when you get mauled. Shouldnt be provokin bro
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Nov 18, 2018 20:02
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Kim Jong Il posted:
Completely justified and good.
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Nov 19, 2018 14:56
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Kim Jong Il posted:What do you call Hamas digging tunnels in Israeli territory then? Israel doesn't even claim this. Aside from their reasoning changing from "stopping rocket fire" when it became clear that excuse was bullshit they then relied on them unilaterally stating that tunnels coming within 500m of the border (ie still in Palestine) would be met with an attack. So your question is purely hypothetical and the real actual situation was a tunnel within Palestinian territory. So you tell us what should Israel's response to Palestinian tunnels within Palestinian territory be? Was Operation Cast Lead appropriate for that why or why not?
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Nov 19, 2018 22:27
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Raldikuk posted:Israel doesn't even claim this. Aside from their reasoning changing from "stopping rocket fire" when it became clear that excuse was bullshit they then relied on them unilaterally stating that tunnels coming within 500m of the border (ie still in Palestine) would be met with an attack. So your question is purely hypothetical and the real actual situation was a tunnel within Palestinian territory. Anything Gaza does to prepare for Israeli aggression justifies Israeli aggression how does this not make sense to you?
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Nov 19, 2018 22:46
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The fucker might have pulled it off again, at least winning a reprieve: Netanyahu's government holds together, for now, as key partner says he won't quit coalitionquote:Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, celebrated among his supporters as “the magician,” appeared to have once again pulled victory from the jaws of defeat Monday as a senior member of his coalition withdrew the threat of resignation, which could have brought down his government and triggered early elections.
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Nov 20, 2018 06:16
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Kurnugia posted:Well I am talking to you... How did I mischaracterize your argument or anyone's? Do you have an argument at all? Illuyankas posted:Surprised KJI's keyboard still works after the whiplash of going from his previous posts to this When have I advocated attacks against civilians? Alastor_the_Stylish posted:Completely justified and good. You're saying thousands of civilians deaths are good, because that's all they've accomplished. Raldikuk posted:Israel doesn't even claim this. Aside from their reasoning changing from "stopping rocket fire" when it became clear that excuse was bullshit they then relied on them unilaterally stating that tunnels coming within 500m of the border (ie still in Palestine) would be met with an attack. How exactly do you expect Israel to interpret a tunnel after the Shalit kidnapping? It was a naked provocation given Hamas's precedent for kidnapping. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 21, 2018 02:43
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Kim Jong Il posted:How exactly do you expect Israel to interpret a tunnel after the Shalit kidnapping? It was a naked provocation given Hamas's precedent for kidnapping. As a preparation for a potential future attack - something which is allowed under a ceasefire (just like Israel mustering forces for an invasion during the ceasefire), and which posed little real threat given that Israel already knew the presence and location of the supposed tunnel.
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Nov 21, 2018 04:55
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Main Paineframe posted:As a preparation for a potential future attack - something which is allowed under a ceasefire (just like Israel mustering forces for an invasion during the ceasefire), and which posed little real threat given that Israel already knew the presence and location of the supposed tunnel. also 'kidnapping' is kind of a weird verb for grabbing military forces of a hostile power 'capture' is better
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Nov 21, 2018 05:08
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Kim Jong Il posted:When have I advocated attacks against civilians? Uh, in the very sentence he's quoting? Do you just not remember anything you've ever posted? It would explain a lot. Kim Jong Il posted:going after military targets can be justified if you do a cost benefit analysis on the civilian casualties, and think about the long term escalatory effects of retaliation.
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Nov 21, 2018 10:42
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Kim Jong Il posted:How exactly do you expect Israel to interpret a tunnel after the Shalit kidnapping? It was a naked provocation given Hamas's precedent for kidnapping. Please answer my question about why it's necessary for them to send troops into Gaza and bomb Hamas leaders in order to deal with tunnels entering Israeli territory. Why can't they destroy the parts of the tunnels in Israeli territory?
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Nov 22, 2018 01:35
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Kim Jong Il posted:When have I advocated attacks against civilians? quote:How exactly do you expect Israel to interpret a tunnel after the Shalit kidnapping? It was a naked provocation given Hamas's precedent for kidnapping. Oh sure "me personally" I dont advocate for attacks against civilians, but when they happen I do always painstakingly point out how they were always 100% justified because of a terror tunnel, or a terror kite, or a terror seagull
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Nov 22, 2018 19:51
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Gaza Museum of Natural History hit by air strikes after exhibit on flying dinosaurs; IDF spokesman claims successful engagement against 'terror dactyl'
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Nov 22, 2018 20:13
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Is Israel building fortifications in Israeli territory a provocation that justifies attacks on their civilians or does that morality only go one way.
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Nov 22, 2018 22:06
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:Please answer my question about why it's necessary for them to send troops into Gaza and bomb Hamas leaders in order to deal with tunnels entering Israeli territory. Why can't they destroy the parts of the tunnels in Israeli territory? This is a legitimately good question, thanks for asking it and pointing out the obvious contradiction.
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Nov 22, 2018 22:13
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:Please answer my question about why it's necessary for them to send troops into Gaza and bomb Hamas leaders in order to deal with tunnels entering Israeli territory. Why can't they destroy the parts of the tunnels in Israeli territory? The entire framing is bullshit anyway. The idea that capturing a member of your enemies military is a "kidnapping" is so blatantly bullshit.
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Nov 26, 2018 14:57
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kidkissinger posted:The entire framing is bullshit anyway. The idea that capturing a member of your enemies military is a "kidnapping" is so blatantly bullshit.
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Nov 26, 2018 15:48
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Palestinians are simultaneously Israeli residents, hostile militants and foreign nationals, depending solely on which label most excuses whatever excesses they’re currently suffering at the hands of Israel and the IDF. It’s a narrative as old as nationalism if not older.
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Nov 26, 2018 15:53
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the idf's backbone is built almost entirely from heavily indoctrinated and conscripted teenagers, so I guess the term is technically correct... which is the first place a chucklefuck will always take refuge.
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Nov 26, 2018 15:56
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/cnn-fires-contributor-marc-lamont-hill-criticising-israel-181130061452765.html So is "from the river to the sea" really a slogan used by terror groups exclusively? CNN dropped this guy like he said 'Death to America' after speaking about US aid to Syrian rebels or something.
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Dec 1, 2018 02:18
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pro starcraft loser posted:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/cnn-fires-contributor-marc-lamont-hill-criticising-israel-181130061452765.html It's used as a pro one state solution slogan from the Palestinian side. Israeli one-staters use very similar rhetoric. Whether a one state solution implies ethnic cleansing depends on who you talk to. There's an unfortunate amount of overlap with pro-ethnic cleansing groups using that rhetoric ... so may be wiser to avoid risking the implication.
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Dec 1, 2018 02:25
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Every single pro-Palestine rally I've been to used the phrase.
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Dec 1, 2018 04:04
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The phrase in that context basically does mean a one state solution with Palestine in control and his backpedaling from that is kind of weird but I think that's when he was hoping to save his job. The sad thing is that expressing that view is looked down upon but flip it around and have a one state solution controlled by Israel and no one at CNN would have blinked an eye.
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Dec 1, 2018 05:01
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the river is my vagina and the sea is my broad and salty rear end
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Dec 1, 2018 07:08
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incredible flesh posted:the river is my vagina and the sea is my broad and salty rear end Reads like an apocryphal passage from the song of songs.
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Dec 1, 2018 07:52
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Raldikuk posted:The phrase in that context basically does mean a one state solution with Palestine in control and his backpedaling from that is kind of weird but I think that's when he was hoping to save his job. The sad thing is that expressing that view is looked down upon but flip it around and have a one state solution controlled by Israel and no one at CNN would have blinked an eye. Of course, it only possibly means that one thing.
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Dec 1, 2018 07:53
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They say "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"; the "of Jews" is silent.
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Dec 1, 2018 07:59
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Was curious if CNN was being WAY out of line or not.
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Dec 1, 2018 08:14
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How do people get 'he was clearly calling for ethnic cleansing while being super sneaky and is anti-semetic' from him saying he wanted "a single secular democratic state for everyone" in a "free Palestine from the river to the sea" in a speech in which he criticized and condemned Israel's ethnic cleansing? It looks like the only reason they fired him was because he was a public figure who expressed anti-Zionist sentiments where people could hear him. Gorgo Primus fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Dec 1, 2018 |
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Dec 1, 2018 10:33
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Has anyone on CNN called for a free Israel from the river to the sea?
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Dec 1, 2018 11:12
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Why would they? Israel is already a sovereign powerful state that basically controls the whole of Palestine. It'd be like calling for a free Boer Republic in Southern Africa in the 70s.
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Dec 1, 2018 11:27
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I guess they never specified that they fired him for that one phrase, and rather for generally calling out Israel being a genocidal rogue state, so it doesn't really matter. It was ADL who recognized the dog-whistle, and plenty of folks already called them and CNN out for being absolutely cool with people advocating for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
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Dec 1, 2018 13:57
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Absurd Alhazred posted:They say "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"; the "of Jews" is silent. Is it really though?
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Dec 1, 2018 16:00
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"From the Pennines to the sea" gets used in anti-fascist chants around here. Are we secret antisemites?
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Dec 1, 2018 16:53
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naked anti-colonialism gonna get tagged with the gaudiest poo poo cuz that's how the media class and the reactionaries do. their lives revolve around affectation and they weaponize it effectively, so don't be surprised or question it when they try to trap you in the fineries of their shame. no one actually believes the state of israel doesn't lead to the genocide of the palestinian people, they just paint you with their guilt in an attempt to absolve themselves of it.
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