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Shear the Sheep
Dec 31, 2008

salisbury shake posted:

boy do i have a thread twitter for you:


https://twitter.com/APCentralRegion/status/1066099635020795904

all dealt with its ok

edit: also lol "appears"

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Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

Shear the Sheep posted:

destiny's transition from Edge lord Libertarian GAMER to his new political beliefs has been loving awesome to watch over the years.

https://youtu.be/SXFMUR8UoK8?t=386

super soldier

Shear the Sheep
Dec 31, 2008

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Joe Rogan: If you want I'll edit that out. Like, I just think it's not a smart thing to say?

Gavin McInnes: No, Joe. Don't you dare censor me. I'm going to repeat this *shoves mic into mouth so you can hear mustache hairs bristling against it as Gavin breathes heavily* the Proud Boys was founded to violently overthrow the government and to beat up trans people. I am declaring war on the sitting government so that we can institute a western patriarchal theocracy because that is the new punk rock.

Joe Rogan: Whoa. OK. I mean, I gave you a chance to dial it back a bit and you didn't. I respect your conviction. Jamie, put on that video where the guy gives a gorilla a fully automatic Thompson submachine gun and the gorilla shoots him. Man. Nature. It's wild. Gorillas are beasts. Do you think a gorilla could be my friend? Like, really understand friendship in its own way and be my friend? Maybe even be the godfather to my children? Like maybe gorillas don't understand the concept of friendship but maybe if I gave one enough DMT it would expand its mind. Then we could go bowhunting together.

cumshitter has issued a correction as of 05:42 on Nov 24, 2018

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


You know, they did an experiment once where a guy ate nothing by nootropics for a week. It was... Jamie, was it a week?
*leans in closer to mic*
Anyways, at the end of it nobody could understand a word the guy said. He had ascended to a higher level of, like, reality, you know? And he never went back to normal. I heard they taught him to fight and he was just—

Jesus, Jamie, is that a chimp? Can you imagine if you gave him piracetam? We have to try that.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008


bong hits for hitler

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!
I hope everyone had a pleasant Thanksgiving because here's some horrible poo poo to read and I don't want to make your day worse.

This image is making the rounds...

... so I decided I'd track it down.

Here's an archived copy of the article as to not drive traffic there. Here's how it opens.

quote:

As many of you know, the target audience of Radical Capitalist (RadCap) ranges from right leaning libertarians/AnCaps to the Alt-right. RadCap wishes to demonstrate the complementary nature of libertarianism and the Alt-Right, and seeks to forge a union between the two. (For more on this see “For A Libertarian Alt-Right“.) This union would remedy the short comings that tend to prevail in each respective movement, namely the socio-cultural ignorance of many libertarians and the political/economic ignorance of many alt-righters. Thus, RadCap has taken a strategic and holistic approach to furthering the ends of revitalizing the West and ultimately destroying the State. Contrary to the claims of lolberts and left-“libertarians”, such an approach does not require a breach in libertarian principle, an endorsement of aggression, a repudiation of private property, nor an expansion of State power.

However, many lolberts have objected to this claim by countering “but much of the Alt-Right is fascist!!!.” Of course, the term “Fascist” and “Fascism” have been abused and stigmatized to the point to where they have become synonymous with pure evil. As such, they have lost much of their discernible meaning. This obfuscation and perversion of the concept of Fascism as well as other concepts and institutions such as nationalism, the nuclear family, monogamy, individualism, and capitalism is an integral facet of the Cultural Marxist agenda. The Manipulation of language is essential to surreptitiously undermine, gaslight, divide, and disorient one’s opponent.

Admittedly, in an effort to incite discussion of this matter, I made a post asserting that, from our current Statist position in the United States, Fascism would be a step closer to Anarcho-Capitalism (AnCap), whereas Democracy would be a step towards Communism.

It then goes on to define fascism by quoting Smash Cultural Marxism Dot Com, which with a URL like that, I simply had to investigate. I'll let this screencap of the header speak for itself.

I didn't click on those, but I did check out only entry under "Usual Suspects," which is, of course, the Frankfurt School... and that's a 404.

This bit from their definition of fascism leaped out at me.

quote:

I don’t totally oppose individualism, but I do believe that individualism should not come at the expense of the nation, culture and ethnic group. When the people of the West started to believe that they didn’t have interests as a group of a specific cultural and ethnic identity, then they lost their nations and culture.

When the nation and people work together for the collective good of the people and nation, then the people benefit as both individuals and as part of the group.

This is the reason why the left scream ‘fascist’ at everybody who does not follow their worldview. They don’t want national unity, they don’t want racial and cultural unity, they want total disunity so that the nation cannot be reborn.

People throw the fascist label around not understanding its true meaning. They use the term as a way to discredit patriotic feeling. They also wrongly claim that fascism props up the ‘capitalist system.’ What fascism does is to regulate capitalism so that it does not become a force of nation destroying globalism controlled by international finance. For example if an individual wanted to open up a business, it would only be allowed if it were to benefit the nation and its people. If it were to employ workers in the third world to produce goods for sale, then it would not be allowed because it would be of no benefit to the national worker or consumer. The national worker should be employed to produce goods at a price that they can afford to buy.

Fascism would not allow the banks to financially enslave the nation or its people and would not allow the interests of Jewish international finance to dominate politics and media. All media shown to be working in the interests of outside groups would be closed down, all media proven to be lying would be closed down in the pursuit of a truthful and truly free press. Nobody today can say with any integrity that we have a free and truthful press.

I'm glad they have the courage to not hide their agenda there. Other fine article titles include "Feminism and Cultural Marxism, the plot to destroy the foundation of Western Civilisation" (note the British spelling there), "The Hate Speech Fabrication as Orwellian Thought Control," "The Jewish Origins of Cultural Pluralism," and "The Myth of German Villainy." That last one starts with the words "Chapter 1" and ends with an Amazon link that no longer works. (A bit of time in Google indicates that Amazon has pulled the buck entirely. It might shock you to find out that the author is a Holocaust denier.)

Anyway, the original article then goes on to redefine socialism and quote Hitler while doing so. I stopped skimming once I hit these paragraphs.

quote:

“But Fascist States are Inherently War Mongering Machines!”

This is a very common, yet gravely erroneous perception on part of the public. Thank your public indoctrination center (public schools), media, and Hollywood for this. In truth, Fascism rose in prominence as a response to the growing threat and spread of Communism in the East. The Bolsheviks in Russia had previously killed or exiled millions of Russians and other Eastern Europeans through famine and execution alike. This “Holodomor” is something that is scarcely mentioned in school or in the text books. After witnessing these Horrors, Hitler correctly recognized that the communists were intent on spreading over the whole of Europe, not unlike a malignant cancer. Thus, for purely defensive reasons did Hitler declare war on the Soviets (and in the face of obvious war preparations and maneuvering on their part, and only after they had already taken over much of Eastern Europe).

On the western front, it was the allies who wanted war with Germany, but this desire was absolutely not reciprocated. Hitler did not want war with Britain, France, or the United States. He respected them, their nations, and their invaluable contributions to western civilization. Hitler went out of his way on many occasions to plead with the allies to work with him to discover a diplomatic resolution to their grievances. It was the allies, namely the British, which went out of their way to provoke war and even engage in acts thereof to draw a reaction from Germany. However, Hitler showed admirable restraint by refusing to declare war even after the British Air Force bombed Germany. Of course, Hitler was eventually pushed to the point where war with the allies was the only remaining viable option.

In a shocking development, this fuckstick is also selling a book.

quote:

White, Right, and Libertarian is a compilation of sociopolitical essays which accomplish three major tasks: First, libertarianism (a.k.a anarcho-capitalism) is strictly defined and grounded in the private property ethic, contrary to the practice of so-called left-“libertarians.” Second, the notion that open State borders and “freedom of movement” are positions derived from libertarian principles is refuted. Finally, the alternative right (Alt-right) and libertarianism are revealed as complementary movements worthy of being aligned.

*Includes a special foreword by Hans-Hermann Hoppe!

Read the Free .pdf here: White-Right-and-Libertarian

You can purchase White, Right, and Libertarian in the following formats:

Paperback
Kindle
Audible

I'd never heard of Hans-Hermann Hoppe before, or if I had, I'd blocked out that memory. The article cites him quite a bit. To save you the search, here's how his Wikipedia article opens.

quote:

Hans-Hermann Hoppe (/ˈhɒpə/;[4] German: [ˈhɔpə]; born September 2, 1949) is a German-born American Austrian School economist, and paleolibertarian anarcho-capitalist philosopher.[5][6][7] He is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV), Senior Fellow of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, and the founder and president of the Property and Freedom Society.[8][9]

Hoppe identifies as a culturally conservative libertarian. Some of his remarks and ideas have provoked controversy among his libertarian peers and his colleagues at UNLV. His belief in rights of property owners to establish private covenant communities, from which homosexuals and political dissidents may be "physically removed," has proved particularly divisive.[10][11] Hoppe also garners controversy due to his support for restrictive limits on immigration which critics argue is at odds with libertarianism and anarchism.[12][13]

If "ancaps are actually just fascists" were a disease, I suspect this guy is patient zero.

McGlockenshire has issued a correction as of 09:54 on Nov 24, 2018

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008


“several”

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Ancaps are just fascists. This is not a surprise.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Tias posted:

One of my old commie friends has turned alt-right and just posted the NPC meme at me. How do I best react?

goatse

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

McGlockenshire posted:

In a shocking development, this fuckstick is also selling a book.


I'd never heard of Hans-Hermann Hoppe before, or if I had, I'd blocked out that memory. The article cites him quite a bit. To save you the search, here's how his Wikipedia article opens.
Ah yes. I have heard of this guy before. Apparently Hoppe wrote an intro to the book, but then the Ludwig Von Mises Institute got a copy of the cover and pulled the intro. The cover being a helicopter dragging hanged people from its skids (I believe an antifascist, a communist, and a feminist if I recall correctly).

More precisely the Mises Institute published Hoppe's intro to the book on their website with all references to the book removed (so it reads like a generic article about "liberty" or something like that) so as to have a defense if the author went ahead and published with Hoppe's intro anyways. The Mises Institute could claim that the author plagiarized Hoppe and added references to the author -- essentially the Mises Institute engaged in a "spoiler" to give some plausible deniability.

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Dead Beef posted:

I suppose you could use counterfeit money to buy bitcoins, there are people who accept cash in-person for them.

Yep, it happened in Italy, several times too

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Zeroisanumber posted:

Ancaps are just fascists. This is not a surprise.

Probably safe to assume that most people espousing political principles that on a moment's thought are in direct opposition to each other are probably just crypto-fascists.

Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
thank god that libertarians are pathologically incapable of working together

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


yes fascism is totally compatible with ancap. just look at this anarcho-capitalist idealism:

quote:

For example if an individual wanted to open up a business, it would only be allowed if it were to benefit the nation and its people

just what Mises would have wanted

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


I had a weird exchange with a dude yesterday in which he said "I'm a capitalist" and I said "no, you're not," and he said "I'm not? Oh, ok! Cool."

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
hhh is the "free child market" guy, isn't he?

e: This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as: should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die (e.g., by not feeding it)?4 The answer is of course yes, following a fortiori from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not, to die. (Though, as we shall see below, in a libertarian society the existence of a free baby market will bring such "neglect" down to a minimum.)

rothbard, apparently. I remember some of hoppe's poo poo being worse though, he's the "physical removal" one.

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Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Hoppe is basically the guy who is the most open about his enthusiasm for libertarianism/anarchocapitalism being due to its potential to incubate fascism or monarchism.

Tias
May 25, 2008

Pictured: the patron saint of internet political arguments (probably)

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Someone post the reddit about the AnCap who tried to discuss politics with a bunch of Greek AnComs and got roughed up while whining about them violating the Non-Agression Principle

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Tias posted:

Someone post the reddit about the AnCap who tried to discuss politics with a bunch of Greek AnComs and got roughed up while whining about them violating the Non-Agression Principle

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/ posted:

I don't usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell's blog, but they didn't seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.

Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad's company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).

I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of "anarchists" and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.

I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn't see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn't read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.

This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don't know why, but I didn't say anything) and they invited me inside.

We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn't as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.

I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don't even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like "nooo" we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.

And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.

I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that's it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don't have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like "noooo" again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says "nooo" or expresses some disapproval at the same time.

And one of them said "but we do want to stop democracy" and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn't really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.

So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.

Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.

Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling "you're breaking the NAP" and things like that. "Stop initiating force against me." Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.

I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.

So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.

I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don't worry. Just needed to share.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
efb but I want to believe

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

cumshitter posted:

Joe Rogan: If you want I'll edit that out. Like, I just think it's not a smart thing to say?

Gavin McInnes: No, Joe. Don't you dare censor me. I'm going to repeat this *shoves mic into mouth so you can hear mustache hairs bristling against it as Gavin breathes heavily* the Proud Boys was founded to violently overthrow the government and to beat up trans people. I am declaring war on the sitting government so that we can institute a western patriarchal theocracy because that is the new punk rock.

Joe Rogan: Whoa. OK. I mean, I gave you a chance to dial it back a bit and you didn't. I respect your conviction. Jamie, put on that video where the guy gives a gorilla a fully automatic Thompson submachine gun and the gorilla shoots him. Man. Nature. It's wild. Gorillas are beasts. Do you think a gorilla could be my friend? Like, really understand friendship in its own way and be my friend? Maybe even be the godfather to my children? Like maybe gorillas don't understand the concept of friendship but maybe if I gave one enough DMT it would expand its mind. Then we could go bowhunting together.

Someone post the video of him going "man what even is reality, who knows, hey did you see thSt video of an eagle loving up a lion"

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

It never gets old

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

CommonShore posted:

I had a weird exchange with a dude yesterday in which he said "I'm a capitalist" and I said "no, you're not," and he said "I'm not? Oh, ok! Cool."

some people think saying "we're all trapped in capitalism and need to spend money to survive ergo we are all capitalists" is the serious and pragmatic position

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


i'm the couple guys in the front who are waving normally

golly chums I sure am glad to graduate from school with my friends, I'm glad something insanely racist isn't happening directly behind me to ruin this moment

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Yinlock posted:

i'm the couple guys in the front who are waving normally

golly chums I sure am glad to graduate from school with my friends, I'm glad something insanely racist isn't happening directly behind me to ruin this moment

i just noticed for the first time that there's a kid in the front row throwing the fist instead

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
he was probably expelled for using a hateful gesture

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

100% of them are white and look like Steve Ditko could have drawn them to fill up the background in a comic from 1964. Is this normal for Wisconsin?

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

100% of them are white and look like Steve Ditko could have drawn them to fill up the background in a comic from 1964. Is this normal for Wisconsin?

Yeah, as someone who grew up relatively close by, yes it's normal. The mass Nazi salute thing isn't normal but isn't entirely surprising either.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Al! posted:

i just noticed for the first time that there's a kid in the front row throwing the fist instead

Also the kid doing the OK. This was clearly not just a "haha ok now Simon says do THIS! *snaps picture*"

They had warning and time to plan.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Data Graham posted:

Also the kid doing the OK. This was clearly not just a "haha ok now Simon says do THIS! *snaps picture*"

They had warning and time to plan.

He’s straight-up doing the old-school WP. Check his other hand.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/AntiFashGordon/status/1066365738624131072

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

the council of elders

get the gently caress outta here

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



more like a CLOWNcil of SMELLders amirite

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Was Gavin ever actually a leader beyond doing twitter things? The proud boys don’t strike me as capable of much organization.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

A coun-cel is a vampire incel, right?

Thompsons
Aug 28, 2008

Ask me about onklunk extraction.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Was Gavin ever actually a leader beyond doing twitter things? The proud boys don’t strike me as capable of much organization.

He seemed like he was 'leader' in the sense of just being a figurehead who took credit for things but I could totally see these dipshits actually wanting some kind of power and constantly fighting one another for it

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
they're both lawyers too so except a lot of nasty letters flying back and forth

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

i am no proud boy but i look like one

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ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
What sort of dumb-rear end lawyers steps up to lead an organization the week after the FBI announces it's on a list?

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