|
RaySmuckles posted:sorry, i thought the 7 foot tall moroccan guy was the sarjent at arms He is, but some of his arms are more situational than others, and two very important ones are attached to his shoulders.
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:07
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 18:46 |
|
|
i stand w/ Skex
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:08
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:He is, but some of his arms are more situational than others, and two very important ones are attached to his shoulders. i think i misread something and we're having different conversations. its all good though!
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:10
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:So her only accomplishment is "owning the libs". It's been a very effective strategy for the republicans so I can see it being a viable strategy for leftists as well. It energizes the base and keeps constituents engaged. It's a spiteful sort of politicking but that doesn't concern me as I consider the cause to be righteous.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:14
|
|
|
oh is it that time in the thread again where we argue about whether it's okay to say that nazis aren't human? how droll
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:15
|
|
|
Furnaceface posted:I know its your thing but Jesus you are dumb. Shes won one primary where the incumbent barely campaigned, and one general election in one house district, during which she got seven thousand votes less than Carolyn Maloney did in 2010, a frigging Red Wave But that doesnt fit the narrative, so you just attribute anything good that happens to her, and anything bad to Pelosi and Schumer. Theres no way the eeeeevil Pelosi believes in global warming and wants to stop it, it was all down to the leftist messiah. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Nov 25, 2018 |
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:22
|
|
|
Yeah don't mess with British institutions because we literally still have giants who use giant weapons to enforce the Queen's law
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:23
|
|
|
whiggles posted:It's been a very effective strategy for the republicans so I can see it being a viable strategy for leftists as well. It energizes the base and keeps constituents engaged. It's a spiteful sort of politicking but that doesn't concern me as I consider the cause to be righteous.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:23
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:Really didnt take long to drop the pretense, but good job actually admitting you hate liberals more than you hate fascists. I truly do enjoy seeing liberals trying to turn around the old phrase "Liberals hate socialists more than fascists" this way.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:32
|
|
|
whiggles posted:It's been a very effective strategy for the republicans so I can see it being a viable strategy for leftists as well. It energizes the base and keeps constituents engaged. It's a spiteful sort of politicking but that doesn't concern me as I consider the cause to be righteous. Assuming this is a good idea, I'm very skeptical that strategy has any chance of working for the left like it does for Alt-right people in that they actually tend to give a poo poo about things. Again not everybody thinks this way, some people really just want a better social contract without having to lay some sick own on political opponents like Trump and his supporters seem preoccupied with. Fulchrum posted:
I don't know why people automatically assume Pelosi wasn't for the committee anyway. I don't recall any political statement she's made that would hint at her being a climate change denier. In fact Kale fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Nov 25, 2018 |
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:33
|
|
|
Ms Adequate posted:I truly do enjoy seeing liberals trying to turn around the old phrase "Liberals hate socialists more than fascists" this way. Thats not an old phrase, its projection.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:33
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:Thats not an old phrase, its projection. It's history, bud.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:34
|
|
|
Lightning Knight posted:Granted that you are correct about my wording, their lack of success and prominence is precisely why it matters. Leftists make semi-ironic jokes about guillotining their opponents that are mostly harmless because leftists are unlikely to ever have the power to do that and many leftists today would actually object to the practice if it came to that. Right-wingers joke about committing genocide against the undesirables and it's scary because they've succeeded at doing exactly that in the past, repeatedly. It's not exactly hard to think of leftist movements in the 20th century that went real real wrong and ended up in that kinda stuff. Obviously this is mostly movements getting compromised or hijacked but it's a good reason to be suspicious of the people "ironically" calling for mass killing.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:34
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:Really didnt take long to drop the pretense, but good job actually admitting you hate liberals more than you hate fascists. A fascist will hate me and try to kill me. A liberal will betray me to the fascist and claim it is for my own good.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:35
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:Thats not an old phrase, its projection. its historical fact buddy
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:44
|
|
|
To paraphrase a great tweet that no longer exists- Conservatives- Let’s round up Muslims and put them in camps! Liberals- Hire more women guards!
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:51
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:To paraphrase a great tweet that no longer exists- I've lost track of what people even mean when they say "liberals".
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 02:57
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/55counties/status/1066424023247187970?s=21
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:00
|
|
|
So your single example of the liberal who hates socialists, is the Socialists actual leader, Johannes Hoffman, an anti-military schoolteacher. Hey, heres another chilling example that shows liberals hurling abuse at socialists. https://youtu.be/lF-cdujoNak
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:01
|
|
|
friendbot2000 posted:Indeed. Hope isn't something to be mocked and scorned. Embrace it for the refreshing breeze in this fear dominated time Well, this kinda depends. It's actually a problem when people act hopeful about politicians it demonstrably doesn't make sense to feel hopeful about. Or at the very least it's a problem when said hope translates into attacks against people who are more pessimistic (provided they have a good reason to be pessimistic, which is kinda usually the case for the vast majority of politicians). I think it's okay to be tentatively hopeful about AOC, though, mostly because she's unusual for a politician, so there isn't a long history of people similar to her betraying expectations.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:02
|
|
|
Your Taint posted:Nah. ehh. i feel like if the poo poo is bad enough, facebook will implode hard, they are already in deep poo poo with a ton of different groups with for a bunch of different reasons and public opinion has turned against them. zuck at the very least if hosed on some level.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:03
|
|
|
In a world where everybody is a fish Chuck Schumer is still a cartoonish joke.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:05
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:I've lost track of what people even mean when they say "liberals". people in the democratic party who i do not personally agree with and consider to be to my right
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:07
|
|
|
^^^ There is some vagueness with regards to defining people as social democrats vs. liberals. There unfortunately isn't really a good term for the sort of liberal who doesn't support large scale social democratic reforms (which describes the vast majority of the Democratic Party), even though social democrats are kinda technically liberals. Things become even more difficult when you take into account foreign policy or social justice issues (which nearly all Democrats are all terrible with), where the liberal/social democrat/socialist/etc labels don't really paint the full picture. The one thing that it's important to make clear is that the majority of Democrats are definitely Bad, as in not "a lesser good" but people who actively support harmful policy and oppose things that would help. I think most liberals have trouble accepting this, because it runs counter to their common sense that our entire political system, including the "good guys," would be flat-out bad. No real progress can be made until people acknowledge that these folks just don't share the goals of even social democrats, much less socialists, though; it isn't just a matter of "not agreeing about how to achieve goals." Even most comparatively progressive liberals, like the aforementioned Pelosi, absolutely oppose even basic social democratic reforms (like the contemporary example of MfA). RasperFat posted:Complaining about a “purity test” for a positions like “let’s not bomb brown children” or “refugees and immigrants are people deserving of rights and protections” is a bad faith position right from the start. More generally speaking, I find "purity test" rhetoric to be extremely morally repugnant. It's basically letting the mask slip and revealing that the person in question doesn't actually care about the issues in question (because it's super obvious that anyone who would describe other basic historical social justice goals as "being obsessed with purity" is not one of the good guys). It is one of the best surefire ways to identify people who are absolutely not on your side, no matter what they might claim. It's really impossible to understate how hosed up it is to refer to things as basic as "putting even a small dent in grotesque material inequality" or "not murdering/displacing millions of people through harmful foreign policy" as some extreme "purity test." Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Nov 25, 2018 |
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:11
|
|
|
This looks like the most exciting theme park map you could unfold as a 10 year old just getting into the park.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:12
|
|
|
Conservatives have proven through their actions attached to that name that they're horrible people, you don't need childish nicknames and memes to point that out
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:12
|
|
|
Hell, if they're going to call us "the democrat party", I'm going to make fun of the GOPee for trickling down all over the living room carpet...
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:14
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's not exactly hard to think of leftist movements in the 20th century that went real real wrong and ended up in that kinda stuff. Obviously this is mostly movements getting compromised or hijacked but it's a good reason to be suspicious of the people "ironically" calling for mass killing. I do sometimes wonder where the Soviet Union would have gone without Stalin Owlofcreamcheese posted:I've lost track of what people even mean when they say "liberals". Yeah I stopped being able to follow this one a while ago. So many overlapping terms and labels. Libs, Fascists, Centrists, Chuds, Acelerationists, Leftists, Blue dogs and little agreement on who is supposed to be who for some of them. These are my best guesses: Libs: Obama era Democrats/If you're a Republican it means "the enemy". Also might mean not sufficiently left leaning enough Democrats. Fascists: In general the bad guys/McConnell+Trump era Republicans. Centrists: People that advocate bi-partisan approaches to governing or aren't left leaning Democrats. Schumer/Pelosi/Clinton etc. Chuds: Trump supporters. The kind of people that go around wearing MAGA hats and can only view the world through the lens of Trump's existence. Accelerationist: Academics define this term as repurposing a public institution to effect quick radical social change. Obvious example would be Marxism. USPOL seems to use it to refer to people that want to use Trump's unpopularity and terrible policies as a springboard toward long term future Blue Waves while absorbing the negative consequences of his presidency in the current term. Leftists: Socialist Democrats. The good guys for most in the thread. AOC/Sanders etc. Blue Dogs: Conservative Democrats that tend to vote with Republicans. Manchin/Jones etc. Kale fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Nov 25, 2018 |
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:22
|
|
|
I think the media have exaggerated the number of conservatives who would be subject to summary execution under our platform. Many of them could go to special camps instead!
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:24
|
|
|
Kale posted:Leftists: Socialist Democrats. The good guys for most in the thread. AOC/Sanders etc. "Leftist" is another very vague term that seems to more or less encompass everything from social democrats and further to the left, and seems to mostly be defined relative to whatever ideological range exists within the mainstream Democratic Party. I think it's used largely because it's tiring to constantly be like "social democrats/socialists/etc" when you're trying to refer to people to the left of the mainstream. I guess "radical left" is another alternative, though it's a bit weird referring to milquetoast social democrats as "radical."
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:32
|
|
|
I like how thoroughly he hosed the perspective on the shark up.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:32
|
|
|
Ytlaya posted:More generally speaking, I find "purity test" rhetoric to be extremely morally repugnant. It's basically letting the mask slip and revealing that the person in question doesn't actually care about the issues in question (because it's super obvious that anyone who would describe other basic historical social justice goals as "being obsessed with purity" is not one of the good guys). There's a default amount of suffering that just has to happen in the world, and unfortunately for all those brown kids the rational calculus is that they have to get mulched and I thank god every day there's no one on my continent with the ability to rub my nose in it and tell me it's hosed up that isn't also really easy to ignore.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:32
|
|
|
Yeouch, after seeing that cartoon I'd hate to be Barackuda Obama right now...
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:38
|
|
|
Kale posted:I do sometimes wonder where the Soviet Union would have gone without Stalin Oh, put me coach, I got this one! There are only two labels. Good people and bad people. Good People: Equality and respect are good things. Resources need to be shared. Greed is bad. Everyone needs healthcare, housing, food, and water. Bad People: "Well, actually..."
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:39
|
|
|
racist/misogynist cartoonists finding their stride w/ aoc (big teeth)
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:39
|
|
|
Prester Jane posted:Haha Skex went back and quietly edited the part where he called people who disagreed with him "irrational, ignorant apes". My dude you let the mask slip there and I don't think that the thread is going to let that kind of bigotry slide that easily. It's weird how he edited that and left in the part where he turned out to be the "Actually, suffering is good." Atlantic oped type. reignonyourparade posted:That article doesn't actually go into why its being brought up, for some reason. What it actually stands for in the movie is "cannibal humanoid underground dweller." it's an old insult used against fascists-They're sewer people and they need to be made into compost or quickly broken up before they back up onto the streets. Fulchrum posted:Thats not an old phrase, its projection. It's funny how scum like yourself said exactly the same poo poo, including having huac go after preliminary antifascists, and we now have a living example to prove that you and your entire tendency really are that evil.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:40
|
|
|
chuck schumer is represented here as a literal invertebrate, doing nothing to oppose trump but holding a sign. A Good Cartoon
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:44
|
|
|
Ytlaya posted:"Leftist" is another very vague term that seems to more or less encompass everything from social democrats and further to the left, and seems to mostly be defined relative to whatever ideological range exists within the mainstream Democratic Party. The thing is there's a not insignificant faction if not majority of posters here for whom far leftism is the one true correct political ideology and for whom any deviation from puts you squarely in the centrist or even right wing camp and that's not how the mainstream United States actually is nor most democracies are outside of maybe Scandinavia. I still think that's the line along which most arguments happen and why you have such a range in definitions and terminology use. From my perspective there's not a single right winger in sight in this thread let alone a fascist, everyone here would be a liberal too me. All of this makes some conversations uniquely challenging. Incidentally radical left feels like a term Fox News would use instead of socialist to define it's ideological opponents because it sounds more like a boogeyman. 1glitch0 posted:Oh, put me coach, I got this one! There are only two labels. Good people and bad people. Wow what a concept eh. For me it does seem that easy in the long run but you know....it's hard for me still to understand why the politics of spite is so powerful and enticing enough to effectively be used as a GOP bridge path to the Presidency. Kale fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Nov 25, 2018 |
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:46
|
|
|
Kale posted:it's hard for me still to understand why the politics of spite is so powerful and enticing enough to effectively be used as a GOP bridge path to the Presidency. LOL what else do they have? One side offers you a vent for all those bad feelings that are bubbling in you while the other is a bunch of limp-wristed scolds that are telling you you're doing great when you can barely put food on the table.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 18:46 |
|
|
In true <Garrison is a Waste and an Idiot> fashion, there are only 4.5 fish puns in that whole cartoon.
|
|
#
?
Nov 25, 2018 03:57
|
|
