Sarsapariller posted:

I guess I'm weird in not really hating long travel times. I do think it's hilarious that more expensive ships are faster, but I think it's actually quite clever if you just look at it mechanically as bigger = faster. It gives carriers a reason to exist, in-game: you can get your light ships around much faster if they don't have to fly themselves. But it also gives those light fighters their reason to exist- they cover local distances MUCH faster and are a big threat to slow moving tubs, as they should be. And it also doesn't affect trading too badly- big bulk haulers will be the obvious logical step up for people starting out as traders, but that was always the case.

It gives the system a sense of distance and locale, and (so far) the local moons for each planet mean that if they bother to actually implement gameplay, there will at least be lots of places you can make close jumps to as well. Presumably it'll be like quest hubs in WoW with missions radiating out from the local points of interest. Going all the way cross-system will be a more rare event, like leaving a quest hub in WoW, and exploring might mean taking several hours to get somewhere, hopefully with scanning or science gameplay on the trip.

Now of course, I say all this with two giant caveats-
1) There needs to be poo poo to do during these long flights. I don't care how immersive it is to fly for hours, if there's nothing to do during it I am going to quit your game after just a couple jumps. Let me perform ship maintenance or run missions via comm or something instead of sitting there.
2) Ship persistence has to be fixed. If you stop an hour long flight and log out half way, you had better not wake up at the start when you log back in. They're jumping the gun enormously by adding long distances and then resetting you on every death or crash.

Actually a third and fourth giant caveat-
3) Flying into/out of atmospheres is grueling in a big ship right now. Flying up out of Hurston's atmosphere takes like 30 minutes and you can't look away because the "Atmospheric Flight" makes your ship dance all over the screen. This is not fun at all. Any ship that can't launch a little snub fighter while remaining in orbit should be able to get into/out of atmo in just a couple of minutes.
4) Obviously they need to actually implement the content too. As it is right now, poo poo's just a time suck for no reason.

Beet Wagon posted:

It ramps up the potential for griefing about 1000%

Beet Wagon posted:

The travel times are pants-shittingly stupid tbh.

The only thing they do is give a reason for carriers (carrier, there is only one for sale) to exist, and that could easily be done using a “fuel economy” mechanic instead.

They absolutely destroy a couple game mechanics in the name of money (hey, hope you didn’t buy the exploration Freelancer you loving moron, a Starfarer was what you actually wanted) and make trading an impossible avenue for starter ship players to catch up to whales.

They are actively unfun unless you own something bigger than a constellation and they will 100% decimate any potential new player population.

There is no legitimate defense for these other than “I own a big ship so gently caress off losers”

e: I’m wrong, the other legitimate defense is “I have a hammerhead and I want to grief losers as they drop out of QT at Hurston” which is admittedly sort of just a variant of the first excuse

Sarsapariller posted:

Yeah, I've reconsidered. I guess I was okay with them because I've always liked putting on a podcast and jumping for hours in Elite. Which also seems to reserve big jumps for certain ships. But SC is even less interactive, and even more poorly balanced. At least exploration ships in Elite have the longest jump range. Here something called a Pathfinder takes 5 times longer to get around than the capital ships it is protecting.

a mysterious cloak posted:

I played a bit and pretty quickly uninstalled this poo poo in shame. WTF is this clunky-rear end interface where I have to select SPECIAL PRES BUTAN MODE to open a loving door? And there's nothing going on once you get the poo poo figured out.

This thing isn't worth the bandwidth it cost to download it.

Beet Wagon posted:

lol I appear to have touched a nerve






Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipz4zK0STl0

colonelwest posted:

If you told me this was someone's Crysis 3 mod I would believe you. Nothing in the game looks or plays like a 200 million dollar AAA title 7 years into development.

If they're still trying to sell this game on pure graphical fidelity, that ship sailed years ago. At best it looks like what would be considered high end in 2012/2013, and at worst its just hideous. I was playing on 4k/max settings and their were low res textures everywhere, even on the struts pointlessly obstructing my cockpit view. There was also horrible pop-in everywhere especially in Hurston's biomes, plants and rocks would just appear a few feet from me. I did average around 40-50fps on my 1080ti, but it seems to be at the cost of huge cuts in rendering distance and overall quality. Hurston's sea was probably the ugliest thing I've seen in a game since the beginning of the last console generation.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Gurning Over IP is the gift that keeps on loving giving.

Pixelate posted:

Awesome Fidelity posted:

ewe2 posted:

Not mental illness, this is normal cognitive dissonance. It just looks worse because its internet words from someone who doesn't know how to argue a point on top of the CD. He's been goaded enough he doesn't care any more, he's just going to lump people into the enemies pile regardless of logic.

Quavers posted:

Star Citizen funding is saved

Beet Wagon posted:

Okay, but:

WORDS

It ramps up the potential for griefing about 1000%

History Comes Inside! posted:

How the gently caress do those scale based travel times work for their amazing fantasy data courier/blockade runner ships?

"Better sneak this future USB full of data out of here fast, I'll take the 3 mile long pleasure cruiser!"

quote:

pink balls that have collision (can't go through them) the feeling is they're related to the NPS due to how they kinda move a bit ther

quote:

NPCs are massively cloned, crossing the halls at lightspeed, and some are laying on the ground

Agony Aunt posted:

No, you take the small ship as those are faster at regular flight. Just then the downside is the travel times to where you need to get to via QT.

Agony Aunt posted:

Goons assemble!

Beet Wagon posted:

e: also, while I too like putting on a podcast and chilling out to space jumps in Elite, I feel like "you have to have netflix/ a huge backlog of Citations Needed for this to be fun" is not a real high standard to set for the BDSSE

Mailer posted:

It's not really a surprise that the one facet that citizens want to emulate from E:D isn't the stellar flight model, it's the soul-crushing turboautist immersive travel times. Being able to buy your way into less tedium is just par for the course at this point.

Agony Aunt posted:

Of course not, but it needs to be in a decent state. Disable the most buggy stuff at least. Free fly weekends are going to be the first impression for many people, and as they say, first impressions last.

Hav posted:

Fallout 76 infinite xp cheat;

Get home defense to level 2, disarm spam a flamethrower trap.

Game will be on deep discount this Christmas.

Edit: people are suggesting that they’re spotting -morrowind- bugs in this game. Bethesda snatches back the incompetence crown and staples it firmly to it’s own head. Your move, CiG.

Wise Learned Man posted:

It's already down to $35 on Amazon.