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Kerning Chameleon posted:It doesn't even matter if the lander broke some doodad and can't even do science now. Motherfucking Trump's signature gets to be immortalized for all time on Mars and there's nothing any of us can do about it now. Eh, maybe trump is the epitaph we deserve: we did, after all, elect him that said space exploration is good so w/e this is a weird thing to get upset about
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Translation from Pissbaby into English reads roughly: "I wish I had lost so I could launch my propaganda "news" network and spend my days making GBS threads on President Hillary Clinton". i mean, he'd definitely be less likely to be under investigation for all his many crimes loving Ukrainians and their CIA enablers
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Kerning Chameleon posted:It doesn't even matter if the lander broke some doodad and can't even do science now. Motherfucking Trump's signature gets to be immortalized for all time on Mars and there's nothing any of us can do about it now. Ok But I don't see why you're so pissed. It's not like he's bragged about how amazing the mission was and how he was personally responsible for building it and he went against expert opinions but it turned out he was right and it's the best launcher ever made because it's already answered questions scientists couldn't figure out like whether or not there were rocks on Mars and it's lasted the longest out of every other mission even though it's the first mission because all the others crashed or anything. Not yet, at least.
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Noise Complaint posted:These same kind of people are the reason I got to hear stories of my grandmother's family being denied entry into the US from Poland in 1939 after walking by literal piles of corpses of her friends and family, only to later become a prisoner in a death camp and then have to become basically an indentured servant to get into the US to eventually meet up with what was left of her relatives. That is a bot.
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Condiv posted:squalid, i hate to break it to you, but sweatshops pay below poverty wages. capitalists don't start paying more than they have to out of the kindness of their hearts, even when they move production to a place where cost of living means a livable wage would be dollars a day. Then shouldn't you actually be pushing for trade policies that encourage businesses to pay a living wage for where they are rather than a living wage for the United States? The problem with trying to discuss, well anything with you is that when anyone tries to engage on substance and have any sort of discussion beyond "capitalism bad full socialism now" is that there are a faction of posters including yourself who automatically go to "the system is monstrous and anyone who doesn't call for it to be immediately torn down are monsters too" and that any progress towards an improved situation is meaningless unless as long as anyone anywhere is still suffering and that anyone who recognizes that having a 100 people dying from a thing is better than having a million dying from that same thing is just as awful and unfeeling as the person who thinks that a million dying isn't quite enough suffering. I mean what the gently caress do you think that the world was some sort of tolerant utopia before capitalism, where no one suffered and everyone had plenty of food and shelter? And no that's not a defense of capitalism it's simply an observation that was came before was objectively worse. Also full socialism now isn't a particularly good argument either given that it's not like full socialist nations have a particularly awesome track record on these matters either. I mean if we're talking about sweatshops in China last time I checked they had their socialist revolution and this is where it lead them, so why is it the fault of American business that they don't have reasonable wages, environmental and workforce safety already through the amazing power of socialism? If you want to have a productive discussion about these issues you have to be willing to set your personal feelings aside enough to objectively evaluate the different options, what worked, what failed, what unintended consequences manifested , where those net positive or net negative. Until we have unlimited free energy, reaction mass and a loving replicator ala Star Trek there are going to be some who benefit more from any particular change and some who are harmed by it. and yes by necessity that's going to sound cold and clinical. But consider this, would you rather be going into surgery with a surgeon who tells you the truth about the potential consequences or one who tells you not to worry everything is going to be fine and your prognosis is that you will not only survive but will be even better than you are now? Being able to compartmentalize personal feelings in these cases is a useful skill because explanations that can fit on a bumper sticker are usually wrong.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The lovely lander with goddamn Trump's signature on it made it to stupid loving Mars. It's still pretty awesome that they landed a spacecraft on Mars and there will soon be all sorts of awesome pictures.
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Skex posted:Then shouldn't you actually be pushing for trade policies that encourage businesses to pay a living wage for where they are rather than a living wage for the United States? i hate to break it to you skex, but extending the meager labor protections of the USA to third world workers isn't "full socialism now" and i wouldn't brag about being "able to compartamentalize personal feelings" on how terrible sweatshops are. saying you can tolerate the suffering of others for the "greater good" is not a good look
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The lovely lander with goddamn Trump's signature on it made it to stupid loving Mars. The planning for this vehicle started basically at the beginning of the Obama administration. It's been under construction since before Trump was President. Plus, who the gently caress associates Mars science missions with Executive Administrations. You all need to go the gently caress outside.
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In many of his fleeting moments of clarity, Trump dreams of the timeline where he lost the election like he was supposed to and got to start Trump TV and make countless millions leading the endless outrage machine against Hillary. Instead things are going to poo poo, the walls are closing in, and he desperately wants it all to stop.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1067147243654909964 This is literally just more of him saying whatever it takes to get through a given moment of chopper talk. That's all anything he says really is. Just say whatever plays to the base and then if you need to do a complete 180 at some point later and claim you never said it that's fine too. I still love his nonchalant "that's too bad" to refer to a school shooting or natural disaster that happened last year. "Oh I care so much, I'm so upset, we'll get to the bottom of it all and good things will magically happen anyway" and then spend the next 2 weeks bitching about some personal slight on twitter. I also notice he's a very different person when he does chopper talk compared to just about any other time. If that's all you saw of him you'd almost think he was some mild mannered folksy buffoon president like Reagan or Bush II rather than a forever aggrieved rage monkey.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:It doesn't even matter if the lander broke some doodad and can't even do science now. Motherfucking Trump's signature gets to be immortalized for all time on Mars and there's nothing any of us can do about it now. trump's signature on a mars lander, and elon musk shooting a car into space out of pure vanity, are not the monuments that we might want to humanity, but they are absolutely the monuments we deserve.
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What makes this funny is Pelosi backing Lipinksi just for him to stab her in the back immediately. Never trust a conservative. Conservative Democrats aren't allies no matter how much anyone wants to pretend they have use.
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Condiv posted:i hate to break it to you skex, but extending the meager labor protections of the USA to third world workers isn't "full socialism now" Once again where is your explanation for why China doesn't already have as good or better workplace conditions and environmental protections than the US already given the power of socialism?
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it's still super curious to me that the revolt against her is a revolt by centrists instead a revolt by liberals
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Skex posted:The problem with trying to discuss, well anything with you is that when anyone tries to engage on substance and have any sort of discussion beyond "capitalism bad full socialism now" is that there are a faction of posters including yourself who automatically go to "the system is monstrous and anyone who doesn't call for it to be immediately torn down are monsters too" and that any progress towards an improved situation is meaningless unless as long as anyone anywhere is still suffering and that anyone who recognizes that having a 100 people dying from a thing is better than having a million dying from that same thing is just as awful and unfeeling as the person who thinks that a million dying isn't quite enough suffering. The problem with trying to discuss, well anything with you is that when anyone points out that your perceived inherent and immovable roadblocks to progress are nothing of the sort, you get huffy and poo poo out a bunch of run-on sentences complaining about how everyone wants Full Space Communism Now.
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Typo posted:it's still super curious to me that the revolt against her is a revolt by centrists instead a revolt by liberals Why would that be curious? Stuff like this makes me think people need to step outside this thread more.
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Typo posted:it's still super curious to me that the revolt against her is a revolt by centrists instead a revolt by liberals Ocasio-Cortez took the position that as long as Pelosi is the most progressive candidate then that's who she will support; it seems the progressive wing cannot or does not want to field a challenger. Likely because Pelosi is working with them to give them committee positions, bring bills to the floor, etc. No need for a liberal revolt if Pelosi will do what you want from the Speaker.
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GoluboiOgon posted:trump's signature on a mars lander, and elon musk shooting a car into space out of pure vanity, are not the monuments that we might want to humanity, but they are absolutely the monuments we deserve. Honestly I did not know that Trump's Signature was even on the lander before about 20 minutes ago (cause of all that I've read about it today this is literally the only place where it's come up period and implied to be important versus the potential benefits for science that are the dominant subject in the news) and it still won't be even close to the first thing I think of when the topic comes up again. Thankful that for all my interest in politics and personal dislike for Trump and his policies I'm able to separate him from the vast majority of things that come up in daily life and where realistically he doesn't matter. The Mars Mission is run by NASA and scientists after all, not Donald Trump  TyroneGoldstein posted:The planning for this vehicle started basically at the beginning of the Obama administration. It's been under construction since before Trump was President. Honestly if Trumps signature on a Mars probe that has been a project for years and happens to be there because he was president when the drat thing launched bothers someone that much that they wish the mission failed and all the funding was totally wasted for no benefit to science then this is probably a good idea. I'm honestly still kind of dumbstruck by that association as well, it's....unique I'll give it that. Anyway back to your daily dose of Dems bad chat I suppose. 
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Typo posted:it's still super curious to me that the revolt against her is a revolt by centrists instead a revolt by liberals don't be redundant, those are the same thing  my bony fealty posted:Ocasio-Cortez took the position that as long as Pelosi is the most progressive candidate then that's who she will support; it seems the progressive wing cannot or does not want to field a challenger. Likely because Pelosi is working with them to give them committee positions, bring bills to the floor, etc. No need for a liberal revolt if Pelosi will do what you want from the Speaker. it's this
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:The problem with trying to discuss, well anything with you is that when anyone points out that your perceived inherent and immovable roadblocks to progress are nothing of the sort, you get huffy and poo poo out a bunch of run-on sentences complaining about how everyone wants Full Space Communism Now. So tell me what these easy solutions actually are. Explain to me if these roadblocks are not so intractable why do they exist and why haven't they been overcome already?
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Typo posted:it's still super curious to me that the revolt against her is a revolt by centrists instead a revolt by liberals Eh this just feels like the ever present "we need to be more in the middle and have more collaboration across the aisles were too divided and we must come together and compromise!" train of thought that basically never seems to go away. The Democratic Party seems to be the place for people determined to drag politics to the center these days as any Republicans who might have felt that way have either abandoned all principals or have been primaried away by hard right wingers. A lot of well off secure white people still feel that centrism is the best thing
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theblackw0lf posted:Whoa, this is closer than I thought  i'm going to laugh so loving hard if we get mississippi
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Typo posted:it's still super curious to me that the revolt against her is a revolt by centrists instead a revolt by liberals Almost as if it's bullshit ginned up by GOP sympathetic DINOs.
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Skex posted:Once again where is your explanation for why China doesn't already have as good or better workplace conditions and environmental protections than the US already given the power of socialism? i don't need one skex, cause i'm not arguing that socialism is the cure for sweatshops, i'm arguing that sweatshops shouldn't exist. further, the remedy i proposed isn't even close to socialism. i understand that you want to cast it as "full socialism now!!!!" cause you want to paint me as unreasonable without having to actually argue in defense of sweatshops cause doing so makes you look like a monstrous shitbag, but it's not really fooling anyone
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GreyjoyBastard posted:
Only thing is we will likely lose this seat in 2 years when the seat is up again for re-election (or is it 4 years?) Smith is just such an awful candidate though might be better for Dems to lose now and to try win it again when up for re-election.
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theblackw0lf posted:Only thing is we will likely lose this seat in 2 years when the seat is up again for re-election (or is it 4 years?) senate's every six years (with three staggered classes so 1/3 of the Senate is up for election in any given year, not counting deaths or resignations) edit: oh right, this one's a partial because Thad Cochran, nm, two years it is having a D incumbent in the Trump reelection year would be very useful though Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:senate's every six years (with three staggered classes so 1/3 of the Senate is up for election in any given year, not counting deaths or resignations) Isn't this a special election though? If not nvm, just ignore me :P
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theblackw0lf posted:Isn't this a special election though? I edited it before you hit post but after you started reading, apparently
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Radish posted:What makes this funny is Pelosi backing Lipinksi just for him to stab her in the back immediately. Never trust a conservative. That have a use for centrist Democrats, as flak they can point to and say "Wow at least I'm not that guy"
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1067142819008122885Fritz Coldcockin posted:Translation from Pissbaby into English reads roughly: "I wish I had lost so I could launch my propaganda "news" network and spend my days making GBS threads on President Hillary Clinton". Yeah, I wonder if this tweet means he's getting the realization that the fame and adulation of being President actually goes both ways, on the one hand millions idolize you, on the other hand events like elections can demonstrate unequivocally that even more people hate your loving guts and despise you, and it's suddenly less fun than it was, and realizing being a talker on some right wing flack bullshit network would be more fun, envisioning his way out. Thing is, the minute he's not president the number of people who actually give a poo poo what he has to say will shrink by like 99 percent.
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