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RangerPL posted:Is OBIS SE still a bloated mess like the oldrim version was? Dunno, I run it anyway. I finally got a stable skyrim running OBIS/Sands of Time/Genesis/Realistic Patrols. Had to remove "immersive creatures".
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RangerPL posted:Is OBIS SE still a bloated mess like the oldrim version was? Yes, but that's sort of the point? What do you really mean by bloated?
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Nov 24, 2018 19:56
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Kiggles posted:Yes, but that's sort of the point? What do you really mean by bloated? The OP of this thread unrecommends it for feature creep, I was wondering if there's a new opinion on that
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Nov 24, 2018 20:17
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Yeah, I was playing with OBIS on Oldrim the last time around and sure, there were a lot of different bandit types and maybe there didn't need to be, but I didn't really notice anything that really annoyed or bothered me.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:23
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is the consensus on Immersive Citizens still to avoid it? I don't really remember what the vanilla AI is like but I can't say I've been impressed with the weird conflict behaviours or the way everyone in any given city likes to pop out of the same door and scream at me, and also that happening in the game.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:43
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Don't mean to alarm y'all but this thread probably needs a new OP. Or to shift to the wiki so the big period efforts of making a whole OP isn't relevant maybe.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:45
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GunnerJ posted:Don't mean to alarm y'all but this thread probably needs a new OP. That sounds like something somebody too lazy to make a new OP would say.  Also OBIS is garbage.
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Nov 25, 2018 05:09
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Agents are GO! posted:That sounds like something somebody too lazy to make a new OP would say. 
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Nov 25, 2018 14:02
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Agents are GO! posted:Also OBIS is garbage. What specifically do you not like about it?
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Nov 25, 2018 16:56
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This is all from the last time I used it which was a few years ago:
All of this added up to a mod that was just not fun to play with. In addition, I tend to take the kind of carelessness I could tell just from playing with the mod to mean there are probably deeper problems with the scripts and such.
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Nov 26, 2018 14:17
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I kinda liked the extra bandit types that were added, but I never activated the mod or let the scripts run. It's been a while but I was running into compatibility issues with some other group of mods and turned a bunch off, including OBIS.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:03
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Agents are GO! posted:This is all from the last time I used it which was a few years ago: I didn't run into issues with the facemasks so I assume they fixed that, and I don't think the book that drops was amazingly valuable last time I played (and it certainly didn't drop from every bandit, though it did come up fairly regularly). But yeah, the others are fair enough points. (I definitely had issues with bandits being stupidly powerful though I could never tell if it was OBIS, Revenge of the Enemies, or some crazy alchemy between the two). Anyway, I don't know that I'll bother with it again, I was just curious because I didn't see anything to provoke the vehement responses it was getting. I do assume that the completely hilarious bug I got where bandits I was mind-controlling with Illusion magic became so loyal that they actually wrote me into their wills was down to OBIS.
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Nov 26, 2018 22:10
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I can't get FNIS to recognize my Skyrim VR install after buying a legit copy on Steam and transferring my entire MO2 setup over to it. It keeps just showing question marks instead of a real version. Really want to get Deadly Mutilation working in VR. Someone pulled the converted mod before it was pulled off the Nexus, so I have it and the body mod it works with, but they all rely on XP32 which in turn needs FNIS to do anything. 
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Nov 26, 2018 23:19
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I can vouch for the facemasks being broken. I can load the same mod order with the same save file and sometimes they work, sometimes theyjust dont show, and sometimes they have the neon purple missing texture.  Personally though, I like and still use OBIS because between wildcat, morrowloot, and Ordinator they end up being the least HP bloated enemies that are still challenging. Being a good option for a fight from level 1 until I get to the breaking point of levels/skills wherein only Vampire Lord's and Draugr Deathlords pose any threat.
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Nov 27, 2018 00:00
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docbeard posted:I do assume that the completely hilarious bug I got where bandits I was mind-controlling with Illusion magic became so loyal that they actually wrote me into their wills was down to OBIS. Okay this actually owns though
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Nov 27, 2018 02:55
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docbeard posted:I do assume that the completely hilarious bug I got where bandits I was mind-controlling with Illusion magic became so loyal that they actually wrote me into their wills was down to OBIS. I need to give an illusion mage/assassin a shot. I never went heavy into illusion, ever, and ordinator makes it seem like it would be the best for my "Fine clothing walking around dude" build.
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Nov 27, 2018 04:16
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Add "Vampire" to that list, since Vampirism boosts both stealth and illusion. I recommend Better Vampires for Vampiric improvement.
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Nov 27, 2018 04:51
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:I need to give an illusion mage/assassin a shot. I never went heavy into illusion, ever, and ordinator makes it seem like it would be the best for my "Fine clothing walking around dude" build. Ordinator + Apocalypse Spells gives some great choice there.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:25
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Ordinator + Apocalypse Spells gives some great choice there. It's actually really great fun.
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Nov 27, 2018 08:15
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Ordinator + Apocalypse Spells gives some great choice there. Yeah apocalypse is full of neat spells.
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Nov 27, 2018 09:20
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Forgotten Magic Redone has some really cool spells. They are divided up in a kind of open class based system. Use a spell to gain experience with it, level it up to get up to 5 perks for it, and as you master spells from a class you can invest into an affinity for those class of spells to improve them all.
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Nov 27, 2018 11:11
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:I need to give an illusion mage/assassin a shot. I never went heavy into illusion, ever, and ordinator makes it seem like it would be the best for my "Fine clothing walking around dude" build. Add the Bound Armor mod and mostly use Conjuration, so you can be the VIP in the back of the party not doing much.
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Nov 27, 2018 11:39
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I vaguely remember that even when putting perks into illusion my spells were never high enough level to affect anything but the most harmless dreg enemies. Can't even remember what mods I was using at the time though
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Nov 27, 2018 11:43
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the thing about non-SPERG illusion is that it's heavily perk locked. Every time you can put a perk into Illusion, you must spend that perk point on illusion to stay viable. Dual-Casting and Fortify Illusion potions are also de rigueur. Fun fact: Fortify (Magic School) potions do not function identically to the identically named enchantments. Enchantments only affect spell cost. Potions affect spell cost and magnitude/power. Apocalypse Magic's illusion spells are top-notch. Ghostwalk is essential. Reave is amazing. Edit: THe best way to get illusion skill levels is the Muffle spell. Agents are GO! fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Nov 27, 2018 12:39
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bony tony posted:Add the Bound Armor mod and mostly use Conjuration, so you can be the VIP in the back of the party not doing much. Omg didn't even know that existed. Definitely giving Illusion a try with a mix of assassin and conjuration next. Orcs and Ostriches posted:Ordinator + Apocalypse Spells gives some great choice there. Apocapypse has some very nifty sounding spells and ordinator definitely makes some interesting design choices - assuming they work well. Sounds like you can be a nightmare for your enemies.
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Nov 27, 2018 16:22
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I don't think bound armor is on the nexus anymore. I'll throw it up on the old Google drive tonight.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:22
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The only problem with Apocalypse illusion is that Ghostwalk is good, and Whispers is good, but there's still this gulf where there isn't anything that usable in Apprentice so you have to grind through about 20 levels by spamming Ghostwalk. (You can Recital Muffle but honestly any use of Ocato's Recital is cheating and it's the biggest problem with Apocalypse in general, but at least it's just one single spell.)
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Nov 27, 2018 19:13
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Once you master Illusion, you basically have all the perk points you could need, provided you have enough to cast Harmony after making illusion legendary. Hit a nice crowded city, cast Harmony a few times, when you get to 100 again, legendary and repeat.
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Nov 27, 2018 19:23
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This is Bound Armor, and I think this should work.
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Nov 27, 2018 21:21
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Thanks a bunch, I'll give it a shot when I get home from work. Agents are GO! posted:Add "Vampire" to that list, since Vampirism boosts both stealth and illusion. I recommend Better Vampires for Vampiric improvement. I was tempted to get BV but I got Sacro first and enjoy it so far. do they play well together? EPIC fat guy vids fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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Nov 27, 2018 23:19
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Nov 28, 2018 01:20
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:Thanks a bunch, I'll give it a shot when I get home from work. I've tried both, and I prefer BV. Sacrosanct is a bit more understated, and honestly a bit more balanced. BV is, IMHO, more fun though. With BV you can assassinate people by draining them dry.
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Nov 28, 2018 08:39
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I can see if I can find a link, but when I did an Illusion playthrough I really enjoyed a mod that changed illusions spells to be hitscan instead of projectiles. Also, overall I've found my biggest problem with magic is that with Apocalypse and Ordinator, Alteration is just flat out the best magic skill.
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Nov 28, 2018 09:18
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Nasgate posted:Also, overall I've found my biggest problem with magic is that with Apocalypse and Ordinator, Alteration is just flat out the best magic skill. Alteration with those is basically my go-to - and yes I do cheat with Ocato for fleshspells only though. Building bridges, deep storage, paralise and imprison spells, dangerous path is also pretty funny. About to get destroyed by a deathlord's 2 handed swing? summon a wall, etc... Good stuff. Agents are GO! posted:I've tried both, and I prefer BV. Sacrosanct is a bit more understated, and honestly a bit more balanced. BV is, IMHO, more fun though. With BV you can assassinate people by draining them dry. Sweet, never tried BV so I'll give it a run. That last part sounds practical too.
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Nov 28, 2018 14:27
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Honestly, the combination of the free low level spells perk and dualcasting the channeled movement speed is my favourite thing about Ord+Apocalypse. Zoooooom!
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Nov 28, 2018 15:03
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Nasgate posted:Honestly, the combination of the free low level spells perk and dualcasting the channeled movement speed is my favourite thing about Ord+Apocalypse. Zoooooom! I never thought about dual-casting it. That sounds like a lot of fun  Drop zone is also top notch almost all game long. You can do fun stunts with Whirlwind Sprint -> Land in the circle
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Nov 28, 2018 15:28
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:Sweet, never tried BV so I'll give it a run. That last part sounds practical too. It is, especially since you "level up" your vampirism through feeding. Also you can turn NPCs into vampires. I turned everyone in Fort Dawnguard into a vampire.
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Nov 29, 2018 03:41
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Nasgate posted:...when I did an Illusion playthrough I really enjoyed a mod that changed illusions spells to be hitscan instead of projectiles. I was using Aetherial Veins for this, which also did it for re-animation spells and had a couple other effects. It seems to have disappeared for SSE, but an Oldrim version is still out on Nexus.
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Nov 29, 2018 21:44
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Hey guys, I am setting up a Skyrim install to play for the first time. I have read through the OP and some other materials. I'm wondering if I should use the special edition or the legendary edition, and also if the special edition needs ENBoost or not? I was planning to get most of the mods I want from the steam workshop (SKSE, SkyUI, USLEEP, etc) and use LOOT to set up the load order. Does that sound about right?
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Special Edition, Special Edition, always Special Edition. No ENBoost.
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