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I'm half convinced Pelosi/Blue Dogs war is a bunch of theater to keep the left in line
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 21:58 |
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Arturo Ui posted:I'm half convinced Pelosi/Blue Dogs war is a bunch of theater to keep the left in line pelosi is doing good things to keep the progressive wing's support and the right wing of the Democratic Party is disgruntled with her it must be a nefarious plot
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 21:59 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:senate's every six years (with three staggered classes so 1/3 of the Senate is up for election in any given year, not counting deaths or resignations) 538 has put a lot of post-election analysis out there discussing just how diminished the incumbency advantage seems to have been the last two election cycles. Incumbency means a lot when the outcome of that incumbency is the incumbents ability to raise significantly more money than their opponent, but anymore we seem to be passing a critical threshold of diminishing returns where both sides have enough money to throw around to get universal name recognition and essential campaign infrastructure going. This will be more true in state wide races like Senate seats than small races, of course.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 21:59 |
AlBorlantern Corps posted:That have a use for centrist Democrats, as flak they can point to and say "Wow at least I'm not that guy" Well yeah but I mean for people that defend them that don't have a vested interest in pushing Republican policy.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:00 |
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The Glumslinger posted:Also, they scoured all of Mississippi and Hyde-Smith was the best person they could find for this seat? Its not like she managed to win a crowded primary like Moore, they picked her for this seat. Maybe it's just me but the thing about Hyde-Smith outside of the now becoming requisite horrid views to be a GOP candidate thing is she just looks so loving weird. I legit feel like I'm looking at some sort of pack of cigarettes a day for 30 years inbred I'd expect to see at a bingo hall with 20 loving cards in front of her ready to go, not running for public office. Like her jaw is all misaligned and she always has that weird grimace like maybe she can't close her mouth properly. I know it's like tertiary to her other big time problems, but man does she look uniquely weird for a political candidate. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:01 |
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Condiv posted:i don't need one skex, cause i'm not arguing that socialism is the cure for sweatshops, i'm arguing that sweatshops shouldn't exist. further, the remedy i proposed isn't even close to socialism. i understand that you want to cast it as "full socialism now!!!!" cause you want to paint me as unreasonable without having to actually argue in defense of sweatshops cause doing so makes you look like a monstrous fool, but it's not really fooling anyone I'm not trying to paint you as anything. I'm trying to get you to tell us what your solution is.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:02 |
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Kale posted:Maybe it's just me but the thing about Hyde-Smith outside of the now becoming requisite horrid views to be a GOP candidate thing is she just looks so loving weird. I legit feel like I'm looking at some sort of pack of cigarettes a day for 30 years inbred I'd expect to see at a bingo hall with 20 loving cards in front of her ready to go, not running for public office. Like her jaw is all misaligned and she always has that weird grimace like maybe she can't close her mouth properly. I know it's like tertiary to her other big time problems, but man does she look uniquely weird for a political candidate. yeah that bitch sure is ugly huh? she sucks but her appearance is not something you need to criticize
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:03 |
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Hyde-Smith looks exactly like the person Central Casting would send if the role was 'obnoxious old Mississippi bigot"
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:05 |
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Skex posted:I'm not trying to paint you as anything. I'm trying to get you to tell us what your solution is. we call them "labor protections," skex they're this thing that once upon a time democrats pretended to believe in. you know, back when they had any political power at all.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:05 |
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*prints out this post, rolls a giant blunt outta it with a bunch of mids and smokes it* *exhales* yeah, man But have you considered full socialism now would actually own
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:06 |
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Skex posted:I'm not trying to paint you as anything. I'm trying to get you to tell us what your solution is. i already did and you called it "full socialism now!" you should probably stop calling everything to the left of total corporatocracy "socialism" btw. it gives you away as a republican when you're trying to pretend you're a democrat
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:07 |
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i'm going to get a lot of milage out of afewsatisfactorycentrists.txt, aren't I.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:09 |
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Skex posted:Explain to me if these roadblocks are not so intractable why do they exist and why haven't they been overcome already? Because it's a feature, not a bug, of the present system? The incrementally helpful but still very deeply capitalist and still very bad solution is to include substantial and enforceable labor protections in any trade agreement. The CPTPP isn't entirely terrible in this front, but who knows if it's enforceable (or if anyone cares), plus the protections for foreign investors will likely undermine public spending. A better solution is to simply not accept products made by sweatshop labor regardless of what we or anyone else gets out of the deal, but since rich people can't pay more taxes, that means poor people in the US can't wear clothes anymore.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:10 |
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Tatsuta Age posted:*prints out this post, rolls a giant blunt outta it with a bunch of mids and smokes it* *exhales* yeah, man Wait is socialism the one that makes me get gay married against my religion or does it take away my guns? I can smooch a dude but don’t you take my .30-06!
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:12 |
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Kerning Chameleon posted:It doesn't even matter if the lander broke some doodad and can't even do science now. Motherfucking Trump's signature gets to be immortalized for all time on Mars and there's nothing any of us can do about it now. I'm calling it now, at some future date someone's descendant is going to find that lander and either sandblast Trump's signature off it or just run over the thing with a rover. Bonus points if it's a descendant of one of the children he gassed. The universe demands it's satisfaction, for all mankind.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:12 |
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:we call them "labor protections," skex Can you be any more vague perhaps? Labor protections is a pretty broad stroke, what form should those labor protections take? I mean technically protectionism is a "labor protection" so should we just not engage in any trade? Should we only trade with other industrialized nations with similar living conditions, wages and cost of living? Seriously if this is all so easy and these obstacles so trivial, why haven't we reached this utopia you envision already? I'm questioning your intentions even though you constantly question mine, I'm seriously asking you, if you really think that you have a better answer that is so workable share it with the class so that we can maybe get it implemented and save the world.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:13 |
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Circling back to an earlier topic in the thread, if you want to understand the political climate of the 90s just watch The West Wing, which at the time was celebrated as some progressive Nirvana, and realize that Jed Bartlett proposed or endorsed neoliberal centrist policies (and that might be a charitable description) that if proposed today would cause a progressive uprising. Granted he was dealing with a Republican congress, and one that seemed slightly reasonable and so there was actual ability to negotiate, but some of the policies he supported looking back today were pretty bad. theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Kale posted:Maybe it's just me but the thing about Hyde-Smith outside of the now becoming requisite horrid views to be a GOP candidate thing is she just looks so loving weird. I legit feel like I'm looking at some sort of pack of cigarettes a day for 30 years inbred I'd expect to see at a bingo hall with 20 loving cards in front of her ready to go, not running for public office. Like her jaw is all misaligned and she always has that weird grimace like maybe she can't close her mouth properly. I know it's like tertiary to her other big time problems, but man does she look uniquely weird for a political candidate. Jesus, don't do this. Seriously? Never do this.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:16 |
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quote:But over the weekend, Kavanaugh was indeed back at it during the 2018 Dick Brown Memorial Turkey Shootout, an annual basketball tournament for CYO squads held in Hyattsville, Md. Kavanaugh’s 12-and-under Blessed Sacrament squad, the defending champs, made it all the way back to the championship game this year. https://twitter.com/deray/status/1067132660143833090
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:18 |
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Because it's a feature, not a bug, of the present system? The incrementally helpful but still very deeply capitalist and still very bad solution is to include substantial and enforceable labor protections in any trade agreement. The CPTPP isn't entirely terrible in this front, but who knows if it's enforceable (or if anyone cares), plus the protections for foreign investors will likely undermine public spending. Your first "question" is an assertion but for sake of argument I'll grant it, how is that not a substantial roadblock that has to be overcome?
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:19 |
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Kale posted:Maybe it's just me but the thing about Hyde-Smith outside of the now becoming requisite horrid views to be a GOP candidate thing is she just looks so loving weird. I legit feel like I'm looking at some sort of pack of cigarettes a day for 30 years inbred I'd expect to see at a bingo hall with 20 loving cards in front of her ready to go, not running for public office. Like her jaw is all misaligned and she always has that weird grimace like maybe she can't close her mouth properly. I know it's like tertiary to her other big time problems, but man does she look uniquely weird for a political candidate. There are SO many reasons to not like Hyde-Smith, her appearance shouldn't be one of them. Saying poo poo like this makes it sound like she'd be more tolerable if she were more attractive.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:20 |
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Skex posted:Can you be any more vague perhaps? Labor protections is a pretty broad stroke, what form should those labor protections take? I mean technically protectionism is a "labor protection" so should we just not engage in any trade? Should we only trade with other industrialized nations with similar living conditions, wages and cost of living? because people like you are eternally willing to sell out everything you claim to believe in in exchange for cheap slacks and a headpat for being a good boy from someone who says "would you rather white people die for my profits instead," Skex. you're old enough to remember apartheid. how did we put pressure on a nation to stop engaging in a hideous, brutal plan of segregation. how did we make them institute the labor protections "these are not animals that can conveniently be given tools, they are people." sure, there were plenty of free trade types who proclaimed boycotting South African goods was an unbearable exercise in pie-in-the-sky tyranny. that the only people it was REALLY hurting were the same South Africans it was designed to help. how did that vague-rear end plan pan out, given, as we all know, It's So Much More Complicated Than That (tm)
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https://twitter.com/clairehoworth/status/1066874009416019968 Brisack 20XX (whenever she's 35, presumably by 2036?)
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USPOL: And here's other thing
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Different Nations Have Different Definitions Of Who Counts As Human, And That's Okay: The Liberal Guide To Free Trade
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How many Rhodes scholars does Mississippi produce that the title of "first female Rhodes scholar" from the university makes more sense than just "a Rhodes scholar from Mississippi"?
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Ogmius815 posted:How many Rhodes scholars does Mississippi produce that the title of "first female Rhodes scholar" from the university makes more sense than just "a Rhodes scholar from Mississippi"? They had 25 this year.
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Ogmius815 posted:How many Rhodes scholars does Mississippi produce that the title of "first female Rhodes scholar" from the university makes more sense than just "a Rhodes scholar from Mississippi"? They've had 25 others apparently, though I can't find out when but the Ole Miss website says they had 25 in 2008, and the current list on the Rhodes Scholar website still says they have 25 so presumably she's the first in 10 years. e: Rhodes Scholar list: http://www.rhodesscholar.org/assets/uploads/2018%20RS_Number%20of%20Winners%20by%20Institution.pdf Ole Miss site: https://olemiss.edu/aboutum/history.html
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:because people like you are eternally willing to sell out everything you claim to believe in in exchange for cheap slacks and a headpat for being a good boy from someone who says "would you rather white people die for my profits instead," Skex. See there it is again. you can't have a discussion without projecting some imagined ill motive on the part of anyone who even asks a simple question about what you are proposing. And yes I do remember Apartheid but I will note to you that it's not like South Africa became an Apartheid state in 1980, they were one long before that. It was also a much more clear cut case of evil that didn't require much in the way of nuance to understand just how loving wrong it was. It was also the final end or a long struggle on the part of black South Africans to gain their rights, A struggle that started way before WW2. And it probably didn't hurt that there wasn't that much that the United States got from South Africa at that point in time so that boycotting South Africa was mostly just theoretical. Your assertion that it was the American Boycott that ended it is also rather dismissive of the struggle that people in South Africa engaged in to end that regime it's not like Americans started boycotting and instantly the Boers surrendered. http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his311/timeline/t-safrica.htm Seems like a real white mans burden argument to credit American consumers with the victory of black South Africans over their oppressors.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:40 |
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my bony fealty posted:yeah that bitch sure is ugly huh? Point out. Some people are weird looking to me, its as i said tertiary. PhyrexianLibrarian posted:There are SO many reasons to not like Hyde-Smith, her appearance shouldn't be one of them. Saying poo poo like this makes it sound like she'd be more tolerable if she were more attractive. No not in the slightest. Me thinking she looks odd doesnt magically cancel out that her views are abhorrent if i didn't, thats not really how ideas work. It is sort of possible to hold two ideas up side by side and not have one make much of a difference out of the other even if the overall subject is the same. Much has already been said about Hyde-Smiths horrid views, which i did mention incidentally. I dont really think i need to add too what is apparent unless she does something new and lovely. Rather i figured I'd add another idea to the mix. Its kind of like Dan Crenshaw and his eyepatch, people talk about that because it makes him look unusual. They also talk about his poo poo views. It is what it is. Kale fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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No Safe Word posted:https://twitter.com/clairehoworth/status/1066874009416019968 This is amazing because it's a total puff piece interview and she goes in guns blazing about Hyde-Smith and does a great "bless your heart" style Southern insult. Jaz Brisack is cool.
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Skex posted:See there it is again. you can't have a discussion without projecting some imagined ill motive on the part of anyone who even asks a simple question about what you are proposing. that's a good boy. remember, anyone who says it's possible to make the world a better place is just Not Being Serious (tm). repeat after that nice Mr. Booker: "It's Impossible To Help Improve The World With Boycotts, So Americans Engaging In Them Should Be Made Illegal."
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:45 |
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Skex posted:See there it is again. you can't have a discussion without projecting some imagined ill motive on the part of anyone who even asks a simple question about what you are proposing. and working conditions so bad workers regularly throw themselves off the roofs aren't a clear cut case of evil?
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:46 |
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Members of the Problem Solvers Causcus will most likely be put on the newly created Problems to be Solved Committee if this gambit fails.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:49 |
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Kale posted:I also notice he's a very different person when he does chopper talk compared to just about any other time. If that's all you saw of him you'd almost think he was some mild mannered folksy buffoon president like Reagan or Bush II rather than a forever aggrieved rage monkey. it's mostly because he's not paying attention and just wants the press to go away, as opposed to usually when he's not paying attention but is also mad about some perceived personal slight
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:50 |
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No Safe Word posted:They've had 25 others apparently, though I can't find out when but the Ole Miss website says they had 25 in 2008, and the current list on the Rhodes Scholar website still says they have 25 so presumably she's the first in 10 years. That's very impressive. Good for Mississippi.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:51 |
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Kale posted:Point out. Some people are weird looking to me, its as i said tertiary. It's the USPOL thread not the YLLS: Political People Edition thread though
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Lote posted:Members of the Problem Solvers Causcus will most likely be put on the newly created Problems to be Solved Committee if this gambit fails. I don't see how Lipinski will survive his next primary.
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# ? Nov 26, 2018 22:52 |
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just to be clear Cindy public-hanging-watcher will win the election deal with it
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poo poo like this is where the line about scratching a liberal and a fascist bleeds comes from. both ideologies are fundamentally, terminally opposed to the idea it is possible to improve the world as it exists today. to such people history and progress are both ended. all existence from this point onward -must- be the hobbesian nightmare jungle, forever, a hellish war of all against all, in which there can be no lasting victories, and the best anyone can hope to do is tweak the terrain to make it slightly favor their tribe going forward. presented with a case of global pressure from without and massive internal pressure from within resulting in an unambiguously great thing occurring, the liberal recoils in terror, because admitting international pressure played a role in causing an unambiguous good would be admitting that perhaps sometimes it's -not- more complicated than that. and the possession of political power can result in something more than issuing means-tested tax incentives to your local One Of The Good Ones.
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