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You don’t need “mesh” APs to share the same SSID throughout a coverage zone. You do want your APs to rotate between the three 2.4GHz signal bands so there isn’t interference. Ubiquiti APs will do this on their own, but you can set up just about any two off the shelf APs / WiFi routers to do this seamlessly. e: to be fair, if you wanted a large coverage zone without plugging secondary access points into a hardwired network, then yeah mesh networks. DNK fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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sellouts posted:How fast is your internet? The internet connection will be about 400 Mbps. I don't know yet if I'll really need to set up both APs. Unfortunately, they're older ASUS models (RT-N66U) that aren't compatible with their AIMesh system. DNK posted:You don’t need “mesh” APs to share the same SSID throughout a coverage zone. You do want your APs to rotate between the three 2.4GHz signal bands so there isn’t interference. How would I set up the two APs to rotate channels? Also, is that something that you need to do for 5GHz as well?
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Nov 26, 2018 15:57
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Wax Dynasty posted:How would I set up the two APs to rotate channels? Also, is that something that you need to do for 5GHz as well? If you have two APs with the same SSID and password, they are functionally the same wireless network. The client device will connect to either seemlessly. As far as channels go, you can hard set two different channels. Most newer WAPs will automatically select the channel that is best, and it will see the channel of the other WAP if it is close enough, and use a different channel. Same applies to 5 GHz, there's just more channels to chose from.
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Nov 26, 2018 16:00
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I never understood that. In a mesh network, do the APs decide which client connects to it, or do the clients read the connection between the two and switch to the best?
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Nov 26, 2018 18:28
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DNK posted:
Sorry this is what I meant but a poor assumption on my part given that he has Ethernet everywhere. My er-X did fine on 300mbps internet.
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Nov 26, 2018 18:38
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jokes posted:I never understood that. In a mesh network, do the APs decide which client connects to it, or do the clients read the connection between the two and switch to the best? "mesh" means the APs can wirelessly backhaul between each other without needing a hard-wired network connection. Has almost nothing to do with SSID/channel selection.
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Wax Dynasty posted:
It's kind of assumed in most of the designs ITT that an aftermarket router will be used, but some carriers provide combo router/modem devices that can do everything. If you're in this situation you could try using the modem for the wired routing and disable its SSID unless you need some kind of feature that an aftermarket device would provide. I used to always add my own router and put the modem into bridge mode when I was on cable, but at least for fiber AT&T forces you to use their router (via 802.1x) and I've come to accept that it is perfectly fine at doing DNS, DHCP and gigabit NAT.
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sellouts posted:Sorry this is what I meant but a poor assumption on my part given that he has Ethernet everywhere. So if I set this up as modem -> router -> switch -> devices, and if I want to stream media from my NAS to multiple devices, that traffic won't hit the router, right? I won't have to worry about the router's CPU/bandwidth limits? Also, I notice that the recommended guide video to setting up the EdgeRouter X is now several years old. Is it still useful? Eletriarnation posted:It's kind of assumed in most of the designs ITT that an aftermarket router will be used, but some carriers provide combo router/modem devices that can do everything. If you're in this situation you could try using the modem for the wired routing and disable its SSID unless you need some kind of feature that an aftermarket device would provide. I used to always add my own router and put the modem into bridge mode when I was on cable, but at least for fiber AT&T forces you to use their router (via 802.1x) and I've come to accept that it is perfectly fine at doing DNS, DHCP and gigabit NAT. Spectrum provides a separate router box from its modem, and I'd read the router wasn't great so I thought to replace it with something more stable. Internet Explorer posted:If you have two APs with the same SSID and password, they are functionally the same wireless network. The client device will connect to either seemlessly. As far as channels go, you can hard set two different channels. Most newer WAPs will automatically select the channel that is best, and it will see the channel of the other WAP if it is close enough, and use a different channel. Same applies to 5 GHz, there's just more channels to chose from. Cool, thank you.
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I know that flat ethernet cables are almost universally poo poo that don't meet specs and use thin wire gauges, but can anyone recommend one that would work ok for gigabit ethernet for a 25-30 foot length? It may end up powering a Unifi AP, so at least a bit of wattage will need to go through it. I'm renting a house so I can't make any holes in walls and I'd like the cable to go under an area rug.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:07
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I bought one of these a while ago and had no problem getting gigabit over it.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:26
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Just try the cheap 30awg stuff first, because the next best option costs $3-4 per foot.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:38
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I, too, got a flat Cat 6 from Amazon for gigabit and have no issues with it. Link for posterity: Jadaol Cat 6 Ethernet Cable 75 ft White with Cable Clips – Flat Internet Network Cable – Cat 6 Computer LAN Cable - Cat6 Ethernet Patch Cable with Snagless Rj45 Connectors – 75 feet White (22 Meters) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F4XBTH0/
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Nov 26, 2018 20:42
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Just curious, if the ER-X does not handle gigabit, what Ubiquiti product(s) does?
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Nov 26, 2018 20:42
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The X does handle gigabit. Make sure your hardware offload is enabled and qos is disabled. Edgerouter lite and 4 also does gigabit without qos too.
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My ER-X is doing just fine with my gigabit. Make sure you enable the hardware offload and disable any of the inspection features. E:fb
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Just be aware with the ER-X that ipv6 has some issues when hwnat offloading is enabled.
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Nov 26, 2018 21:38
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My ERL handles gigabit like a champ.
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I installed a TP-Link EAP225v3 in my parents' house this past weekend (https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-4908_EAP225.html) and right now I have it set where the 2.4 and 5GHz bands have separate SSIDs. Should I change it so both bands have the same SSID and enable band steering instead?
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teagone posted:I installed a TP-Link EAP225v3 in my parents' house this past weekend (https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-4908_EAP225.html) and right now I have it set where the 2.4 and 5GHz bands have separate SSIDs. Should I change it so both bands have the same SSID and enable band steering instead? Yes.
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Nov 27, 2018 00:13
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unknown posted:Yes. K  Thinking I maybe should have gotten two of them and enabled mesh too? They were on sale for $48 and were super easy to install and set up. The AP is in their living room/dining/kitchen area, but speeds/signal strength in the basement and upstairs are pretty solid.
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Nov 27, 2018 01:17
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If your signal is good in those areas, then don't worry about additional APs and doing mesh. Your signal on the clients (phones/computers) will look better, but your bandwidth will generally won't improve. Mesh is almost always a stopgap/jury rigged solution in the end.
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Heners_UK posted:Just curious, if the ER-X does not handle gigabit, what Ubiquiti product(s) does? If others are having success, cool. I saw 200mbps gains going to pfSense within 3 minutes downloading from same source. Maybe I had some QoS stuff running that I forgot about. It was a very set it and forget it piece of hardware.
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sellouts posted:If others are having success, cool. I saw 200mbps gains going to pfSense within 3 minutes downloading from same source. PFsense should max out any connection given a decent processor. An i3 is plenty for gigabit and above.
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New house is 10+ months away, but here I am, designing my network because THAT is important, not those pesky details like insulation and building permits... Circumstances:
My immediate idea is an Edgerouter X SFP and two Unifi AC LITEs. With a bit of luck (some people report this to work) I can ditch the ISP media converter, get an SFP module and get away with running just the ERX-SFP. My questions:
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redeyes posted:PFsense should max out any connection given a decent processor. An i3 is plenty for gigabit and above. Yes. It rules. I’m saying it had an immediate performance increase over my er-x, but maybe I had some weird QoS stuff I fiddled with when I set it up initially.
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Yes, Unifi APs figure this out themselves. I have this exact setup and the SFP does fine to power two AC Lites over Ethernet. You may not get 1gbps over WiFi (I believe mine top out at ~500mbps under ideal conditions), but as noted above the router can handle it on the wire.
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bolind posted:If so, does Ubiquiti make a router that will feed [...] possibly a Raspberry Pi 3 B+ with a PoE HAT? I don't think so. Pi needs 802.3af PoE and the Edgerouters only supply passive 24v PoE. You'd need an Edgeswitch with PoE.
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I'm jealous of all of your real fiber solutions, I don't have TV in my house or anything and I still have to use Verizon's stupid ONT.
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I have an ethernet socket in the wall and a switch in the basement somewhere. I'd rather have a fibre and an ONT just for a bit of electrical isolation but whatever.
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teagone posted:I installed a TP-Link EAP225v3 in my parents' house this past weekend (https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-4908_EAP225.html) and right now I have it set where the 2.4 and 5GHz bands have separate SSIDs. Should I change it so both bands have the same SSID and enable band steering instead? I'm not sure I would bother with band steering. Most client devices are pretty good about selecting whichever band is currently offering the best effective performance. Try it out sure, but if you see odd behavior, turn it off. But yes, same SSID and security settings for both bands is the best way to go.
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Humm... this active/passive PoE talk is also starting to make me abandon the plan of getting a $200 Edgerouter PoE, thereby saving me a bit over a separate Ubiquiti Edgeswitch + Edgerouter combo.
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I should post in SA-Mart but i do have a EdgeRouter SFP and UniFi US-8 available, I upgraded to a USG-4 and US-48POE this month
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Antillie posted:I'm not sure I would bother with band steering. Most client devices are pretty good about selecting whichever band is currently offering the best effective performance. Try it out sure, but if you see odd behavior, turn it off. But yes, same SSID and security settings for both bands is the best way to go. When I set up my Archer C7 a couple years ago, I did some internet research on using the same SSIDs and what I took away was that in theory devices use 5 GHz when it is available and the 2.4 GHz when it isn't; in practice devices always use 2.4 GHz because it is the first thing they see and they never switch over. Are most/all clients actually good about switching between the two? Or is it only in high-end recent smartphones or something like that? In my case my 5 GHz covers the entire apartment, so I would never need the jump between the two frequencies. I just think the concept is interesting.
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I think you could get away with just not offering a 2.4Ghz network if you have reasonably modern devices. Just check before buying IoT things that they're dual-band (even a Raspberry Pi has dual-band ac Wi-Fi now, there's no excuse for your $200 doorbell). An AP that supports running as a client can handle connectivity for consoles and a smart TV if necessary, since all TVs have terrible Wi-Fi and Sony can't seem to give their consoles decent networking.
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5ghz frequency availability is a little different if it’s being used outside. The nest doorbell for example doesn’t support it at all in Canada because of this.
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I run the same SSID for both frequencies, but I don't see anything wrong with having them separate. Some stuff just needs a solid connection and the 300mbps 2.4Ghz will give it is more than enough. My alarm panel, washer/dryer, robot vacuum, and wifi power outlets just need a good signal, it doesn't have to be fast. Laptops, iDevices, etc can make use of 5Ghz. Whatever works best for your environmentbolind posted:New house is 10+ months away, but here I am, designing my network because THAT is important, not those pesky details like insulation and building permits... Sounds good. Run Cat6 or even conduit as many places (especially exterior walls) that you can, even if you'll never ever ever use it. I just built a house and had 12 ethernet/rg6 combo drops put in and I already wish I would have ran more wiring during construction.
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Evis posted:5ghz frequency availability is a little different if it’s being used outside. The nest doorbell for example doesn’t support it at all in Canada because of this. True, I forgot about this. If I wanted a video doorbell then I'd want to wire power to it anyway, at which point you might as well just let me do a PoE drop to it. I have no desire for a house filled with IoT devices that results in having to subscribe to AA cells.
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I sometimes run into odd problems with identical SSIDs on 2.4 and 5Ghz. It's worth it to me to have them be different.
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sellouts posted:Yes. It rules. I’m saying it had an immediate performance increase over my er-x, but maybe I had some weird QoS stuff I fiddled with when I set it up initially. I switched to PFsense from a (supposedly) plenty fast Mikrotik. My Speeds definitely increased, latency went down. I was actually a little shocked since I thought my ISP was up to shenanigans.
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jjack229 posted:When I set up my Archer C7 a couple years ago, I did some internet research on using the same SSIDs and what I took away was that in theory devices use 5 GHz when it is available and the 2.4 GHz when it isn't; in practice devices always use 2.4 GHz because it is the first thing they see and they never switch over. There isn't really a clear answer here. Some devices are really good about jumping bands, others are just pants on head retarded about it. I want to say that most modern things are good about it but I don't have any real data to back up such a claim. I have actually seen the opposite happen myself when the band steering on my Unifi APs caused issues by constantly kicking a device off of the 2.4ghz band when the device was outside and was (correctly) trying to stay off the 5ghz band. Band steering tries to force devices over to the 5ghz band (generally by temporarily not talking on the 2.4ghz band to the device being targeted), it does not necessarily try to put devices on the band that is currently performing the best given the device's current location and local RFI. (Although some vendors do try and do this.) Band steering isn't actually part of the 802.11 spec so there isn't a standard way to do it and different vendors do it differently with different results with different client devices. In my experience band steering can help stupid devices not be so stupid. But it can also mess up connectivity for devices that aren't dumb and don't need the help. The best thing is probably to try it and see if it works well for you. Antillie fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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