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I see Hillary trying to run but I don’t see how she gets enough support to win any primary.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:17
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ok, i'll toxx that Hillary will not be a declared candidate in the Democratic Iowa caucuses
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Nov 27, 2018 18:17
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We poo poo on the NYT a lot for its opinion pieces especially, and deservedly so, but I feel it's only fair to share one that's actually pretty decent and not awful: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poverty-wealth-conservative_us_5bfc52cbe4b03b230fa59f96?29x Rust Martialis posted:yipyip 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:18
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evilweasel posted:ok, i'll toxx that Hillary will not be a declared candidate in the Democratic Iowa caucuses youre a bolder man than i, evilweasel
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Nov 27, 2018 18:18
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evilweasel posted:Nobody's funding or backing a Hillary repeat. And she's too old to do something for a decade and come back. Once you lose a Presidential race, people talk about giving you another shot but nobody gets one since Nixon. Especially when you went up against someone who was widely considered a weak candidate: Hillary got her chance, blew it, and nobody in the party is giving her another one. I agree with this. I mean the DNC practically force fed her the nomination, there were the hubris "happy birthday to this future president" social media posts... and she lost. I was a hardcore Sanders backer and I was infuriated how the party handled the primary. It absolutely turned me off to big national party volunteering and re-orientated me around local elections. Enough DNC members are bitter enough to never back her again and her losing make the party look super stupid. Kimsemus fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Nov 27, 2018 18:18
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evilweasel posted:Nobody's funding or backing a Hillary repeat. And she's too old to do something for a decade and come back. Once you lose a Presidential race, people talk about giving you another shot but nobody gets one since Nixon. Especially when you went up against someone who was widely considered a weak candidate: Hillary got her chance, blew it, and nobody in the party is giving her another one. This. Losing to Donald Trump was the final nail in Hillary's political coffin. In the age of social media, the 24-hour news cycle, and instant recall, she isn't going to be able to mount a Nixon-esque comeback. Hillary's many things, but stupid isn't one of them, and she can read the cards just like we can. She isn't going to run for President again.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:19
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Rust Martialis posted:yipyip  Someone avatar-ize this for me, please Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Nov 27, 2018 18:19
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evilweasel posted:ok, i'll toxx that Hillary will not be a declared candidate in the Democratic Iowa caucuses But will she be in the straw poll
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Rust Martialis posted:yipyip Baha.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1067468329458249729 the best people
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evilweasel posted:ok, i'll toxx that Hillary will not be a declared candidate in the Democratic Iowa caucuses 
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evilweasel posted:ok, i'll toxx that Hillary will not be a declared candidate in the Democratic Iowa caucuses Use the emote, nerd. DO IT. brave, brave man
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Nov 27, 2018 18:23
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:This. Losing to Donald Trump was the final nail in Hillary's political coffin. In the age of social media, the 24-hour news cycle, and instant recall, she isn't going to be able to mount a Nixon-esque comeback. Hillary's many things, but stupid isn't one of them, and she can read the cards just like we can. She isn't going to run for President again. the only person pushing the idea that hillary is running is loving Mark Penn in that one poo poo editorial. since then, he was last seen helping coordinate the challenge by conservatives against Pelosi, and appearing on Fox News. and he hasn't worked for Clinton since he spearheaded the incredibly effective 'let's be racist about barack obama' 2008 primary strategy
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Almost anybody *could* win but there's a big leap from could to would. Most of the Democratic challengers I see getting talked up have zero charisma and I doubt would be any more effective at dealing with Trump than any of his Republican challengers were. I posted a couple Gillibrand videos a couple days ago, did you watch any of them? 
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Lightning Knight posted:I think I disagree and it’s primarily because Hillary is in the unique situation of being married to a former president and having a lot of loyalists in the party establishment itself since the Clintons remade the party in their image in the 90s. That institutional support isn’t going to translate to base support tho imo. its impossible to support a hillary 2020 campaign without looking like such a tremendous idiot that you would be nuking your political career, and the clintons no longer have any power to twist arms because anyone they pushed to punish someone who didn't support a hillary 2020 campaign would look at them like they'd grown a third head and politely tell them that they weren't gonna support it either and perhaps hillary should consider something else to do with her time
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Nov 27, 2018 18:24
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Z. Autobahn posted:Voter suppression tactics are gong to be weaker in 2020 given how many state governments the Republicans lost control of in one form or another Democrats retaking state governments in the Great Lakes is going to turn out to be, by far, their greatest victory in 2018. Between WI, MI, and NV in 2018 and NC in 2016, they've now lost 45 electoral votes worth of governorships. Xombie fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Nov 27, 2018 18:25
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evilweasel posted:its impossible to support a hillary 2020 campaign without looking like such a tremendous idiot that you would be nuking your political career, and the clintons no longer have any power to twist arms because anyone they pushed to punish someone who didn't support a hillary 2020 campaign would look at them like they'd grown a third head and politely tell them that they weren't gonna support it either and perhaps hillary should consider something else to do with her time I think you are being hugely charitable to the donor class and the centrist wing of the party here but we're arguing hypotheticals at this point so I will agree to disagree. Mad respect that you toxx'd on it tho. 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:26
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HRC will not run. She's probably barely alive at this point. She barely had the stamina to finish up in 2016. Remember when she collapsed? What is Huma Abedin up to now anyway?
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Nov 27, 2018 18:26
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Xombie posted:It probably won't, it's one factory is in rustbelted Northeast Ohio. Soybean farmers declaring bankruptcy in droves is probably more influential, but the Senate will desperately bail them out. I wish the House would have the guts to push through a bailout bill that reverses the Trump tax policies and basically earmarks those funds for a Medicare-for-all public option. In that ideal scenario we’ll get to watch chud-state senators squirm by knowing they’ll either a) save the base by pissing off corporations and eventually get primaried by a dark-money-funded corporate boot-licking candidate, or b) save the corporations by killing the base and get primaried by some dumb-gently caress fascist promising even dumber economic ideas that will drive the state further into desperation. 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:28
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Brony Car posted:What is Huma Abedin up to now anyway? Volunteering to be Hillary’s host for the GET OUT procedure and preparing to run for Gillibrsnd’s seat.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:29
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I posted a couple Gillibrand videos a couple days ago, did you watch any of them? I forgot to but watched her on Colbert the other night. I just don't see her or Harris as having enough fire in their bellies to inspire a Facebook share. They're not bad but they strike me as Lindsey-Graham tier not Trump/Obama/Clinton/Biden tier. They aren't angry and they aren't empathetic, they're just professional. Professional is fine but people don't vote for it in a president. Biden, Warren and Booker all do have real charisma but they've each managed to shoot themselves in the foot in different ways.Beto has charisma but he's hard to predict about. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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selec posted:Volunteering to be Hillary’s host for the GET OUT procedure and preparing to run for Gillibrsnd’s seat. 
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Brony Car posted:HRC will not run. She's probably barely alive at this point. She barely had the stamina to finish up in 2016. Remember when she collapsed? dodging wieners phone calls
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Lightning Knight posted:I think you are being hugely charitable to the donor class and the centrist wing of the party here but we're arguing hypotheticals at this point so I will agree to disagree. Mad respect that you toxx'd on it tho. Yeah, there's a whole infrastructure of Hillary Folks who have every incentive to manufacture a run if only to sell merchandise to the Hillary Is 44 types. I still think she flames out early due to lack of institutional support but an initial run isn't impossible.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think you are being hugely charitable to the donor class and the centrist wing of the party here but we're arguing hypotheticals at this point so I will agree to disagree. Mad respect that you toxx'd on it tho. If EvilWeasel loses his Toxx, can there be a funnier punishment than a straight ban? We'll need it after that to avoid drinking ourselves to death. Plus, bans aren't means-tested and are thus regressive.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:31
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Uh, continuing the 5 parliament committee hearing on Facebook and theyre totally cool bro data practices... https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1067463345425588226 https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1067464748617351169 Oooh boi
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Nov 27, 2018 18:32
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I forgot to but watched her on Colbert the other night. I just don't see her or Harris as having enough fire in their bellies to inspire a Facebook share. They're not bad but they strike me as Lindsey-Graham tier not Trump/Obama/Clinton/Biden tier. They aren't angry and they aren't empathetic, they're just professional. Professional is fine but people don't vote for it in a president. Gillibrand strikes me as the sort of person who would be a good, effective president, but a bad candidate. Sort of Al Gore-ish.
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Rust Martialis posted:yipyip Yep, yep yep yep yep yep. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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I mean, it's as plausible as any other explanation for her demented loyalty.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:34
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I think Hillary might run a semi-vanity primary campaign but there's no way she's getting the nomination. I think she's got enough of an ego and enough influence in the Dem establishment that she'd run in the primary to try and act as king or queenmaker. Clinton won't be in the general but I could see trying to push her anointed successor and then "winning" by proxy.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:35
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KillHour posted:If EvilWeasel loses his Toxx, can there be a funnier punishment than a straight ban? We'll need it after that to avoid drinking ourselves to death. Beware what you recommend, there are reversals of fortune, friend. VVV  drat
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KillHour posted:If EvilWeasel loses his Toxx, can there be a funnier punishment than a straight ban? We'll need it after that to avoid drinking ourselves to death. If Evilweasel loses his toxx then I mod challenge him to read Nathan J. Robinson's Superpredator: Bill Clinton's Use and Abuse of Black America and write a 5,000 word analysis/review/refutation/whatever he feels about the book paper about it, or I will permaban him. If he wins the toxx then I will write the paper instead. 
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Aidan_702 posted:Uh, continuing the 5 parliament committee hearing on Facebook and theyre totally cool bro data practices... If we get Manafort in superjail and Facebook’s Canadian operations being seized in December I may be tempted to call 2018 a success.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:37
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evilweasel posted:Nobody's funding or backing a Hillary repeat. And she's too old to do something for a decade and come back. Once you lose a Presidential race, people talk about giving you another shot but nobody gets one since Nixon. Especially when you went up against someone who was widely considered a weak candidate: Hillary got her chance, blew it, and nobody in the party is giving her another one. I don't know about that though -- she keeps popping up in the news cycle for stuff she has been saying, is fairly wealthy herself, and while she has lost establishment pull there are still a lot of diehards loyal to the Clinton camp. She won't win the primary but I can see her trying again to sate her own ego.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Biden is almost certainly the front runner right now but he will probably shoot himself in the dick somehow. Bloomberg has an outside shot at pulling a Ralph Nader and act as a spoiler in the general -- that's one of the ways Trump wins. biden already shot himself in the dick when he hung a medal of freedom around george w bush's neck. that's a hosed up thing to do and even more hosed up to allow himself to be photographed doing it. also metoo stuff. the guy just takes bad pictures i guess bloomberg will be an incredibly hilarious and darkly ironic twist if he runs third party. after years of everyone saying third parties aren't viable and multitudes of independent organizations trying desperately to break the two party system, the most viable 3rd party candidate will be a billionaire trying to undermine the democratic party for being too radical. you can't make this poo poo up. i guess bob dole ran a pretty popular independent campaign, but that didn't turn out so well. i just can't see a path to victory for bloomberg, only spoiling. which i suppose is a kind of victory of its own. hillary's third run
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Nov 27, 2018 18:38
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KickerOfMice posted:Beware what you recommend, there are reversals of fortune, friend. I'm currently toxxed under threat of perma to write and perform a musical if Trump revokes Jus Soli citizenship. I do not live in a glass house, brother.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:What does Maine's D bench even look like? Maine’s rep in CD-1, Chellie Pingree, isn’t a political heavyweight nationally but she’s enormously popular in her district. Reportedly been mulling a (second) run against Collins for a while. I think some people were surprised she didn’t try last time around. She’d have to work a little to win statewide but it feels like Collins is doing everything she can to help her out.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:39
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KillHour posted:I'll currently toxxed under threat of perma to write and perform a musical. I do not live in a glass house, brother. I would say "troubling times," but you seem up to the task. Luck be with you! 
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well she has no reason to pretend. she is gone in 2020 so why care. Aidan_702 posted:Uh, continuing the 5 parliament committee hearing on Facebook and theyre totally cool bro data practices... I like how the UK just doesn't give a poo poo and is fine with drowning facebook in the tub.
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