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Kimsemus posted:I'm arguing specifically the kind we have now are bad because they're not so much a measure of skill or competence, and more act as a gateway to a profession and are anti-consumer and anti-poor/minority. The hair dresser thing is low hanging fruit, here is another example: in most states, to get a license to BRAID hair, you have to prove your competency in (no joke) dressing hair from a prescribed list of 1950s styles. These laws are especially prevalent in the south. The law profession is just one of the most egregious and is steeped in the guild system -- the death of the tradeskill/apprenticeship learning path in favor of licensing should tell you something is very wrong. becoming a lawyer is not all that hard, for a profession where theoretically what you're selling is your knowledge. there's a significant glut of lawyers. practically speaking, what the bar exam does is protect state lawyers from outside competition (e.g. making it hard for lawyers to practice in Florida or Delaware) the main problem with law is the sheer number of terrible, terrible law schools where the students have basically a one in a hundred chance, if that, of landing a job that's gonna pay off their student loans, based on the impression people have that all lawyers make the big bucks, which is not true (if you graduate from med school you're basically guaranteed a job; if you graduate from law school unless you are at the very top of your class or are at a very top school you are not at all guaranteed a job)
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TulliusCicero posted:So is there any legal way to actually punish Facebook for all this stuff? Short of Anti-trust laws? search your heart, you know the answer to this. Like yea I'm sure you COULD dig up a case on something but no nothing that matters can be brought up
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Kimsemus posted:I'm arguing specifically the kind we have now are bad because they're not so much a measure of skill or competence, and more act as a gateway to a profession and are anti-consumer and anti-poor/minority. The hair dresser thing is low hanging fruit, here is another example: in most states, to get a license to BRAID hair, you have to prove your competency in (no joke) dressing hair from a prescribed list of 1950s styles, none of which involved braided hair. These laws are especially prevalent in the south. The law profession is just one of the most egregious and is steeped in the guild system -- the death of the tradeskill/apprenticeship learning path in favor of licensing should tell you something is very wrong. I only yammer about the bar because I had to go through it, watching most of my colleagues struggle with debt because they couldn't work f/t during school as mandated by the ABA, or other friends who flat out couldnt go because they couldn't afford to not work. Exactly by design. I mean, ok, I find this compelling to be honest.
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Kimsemus posted:I only yammer about the bar because I had to go through it, watching most of my colleagues struggle with debt because they couldn't work f/t during school as mandated by the ABA, or other friends who flat out couldnt go because they couldn't afford to not work. Exactly by design. i dunno what your friends told you, but the bolded part is not true. there's night law schools, i know someone who got a law degree while working full-time. iirc it usually takes four years instead of three.
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1600 hours isnt even a year of full time training so I cant say I would support a doctor with that amount.
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evilweasel posted:i dunno what your friends told you, but the bolded part is not true. there's night law schools, i know someone who got a law degree while working full-time. iirc it usually takes four years instead of three. Depends entirely on the state bar. This is NOT the case in most states, and most states are recalcitrant to even try and get new law schools. (Even the school can set this rule if the state bar does not) What I'm pushing back on is that licensing these days is usually a politically backed, lobbied, anti-competitive gambit of bullshit that serves neither the person being licensed (other than keeping poors, minorities, and undesirable competition out of their profession) and CERTAINLY does nothing for the consumer paying artificially inflated prices.
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TulliusCicero posted:So is there any legal way to actually punish Facebook for all this stuff? Yes, we could enfo quote:Short of Anti-trust laws? oh nm Lightning Knight posted:I mean, ok, I find this compelling to be honest. My stupid former roommate quit her job to go to school for months on end to get a cosmetology degree that ended up being an enormous pay cut when all was said and done. The dumbest part is that it's a skill almost anyone could learn with a week or two of training, and she even says that now Ate My Balls Redux fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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license based systems are bad. I'm currently about to enter education to become a funeral director and oh hey look the license system is entirely built to funnel money to like, two major brands of both education and employment and provides nothing for some kinda safety measure that can't be gained through the normal apprenticeship process under a system with strong consumer and worker protections! I'm working with a dude right now who literally had to pay for school, licensing, and all that and then had to do apprentice stuff anyway because that's just how the business works if you're not inheriting a family mortuary or whatever. It's literally just the state (with fifty bespoke and unique standards so god help you if you move like I probably will be soon) making you dump your money and time in a pit before you're allowed to do things the way they should be anyway.
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sexpig by night posted:I'm currently about to enter education to become a funeral director  You should start an A/T thread imo.Ate My Balls Redux posted:My stupid former roommate quit her job to go to school for months on end to get a cosmetology degree that ended up being an enormous pay cut when all was said and done. I knew a girl in high school who ended up going for cosmetology and it was a big song and dance for stuff she already knew how to do.
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PhazonLink posted:what hosting is gab using now, like they were booted from sveral. Some 'free speech' rear end in a top hat named Rob Monster
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Get the Walrus off the stage, I want the Carpenter's opinions
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Kimsemus posted:Depends entirely on the state bar. This is NOT the case in most states, and most states are recalcitrant to even try and get new law schools. the gently caress you talking about, tons of new law schools opened in the past 20 years because lovely law schools are cash cows for universities (because all it takes to open a law school is a classroom, which is cheap, and a few professors, who aren't that expensive and tons of lawyers would like to be a law professor instead at any school that will take them) and those have only recently started closing down as word got out that a law degree is not an instant ticket to a 100k job if it's not a good school. and if a state bar bans graduates of night schools from taking the bar that's not an ABA thing, that'd be a state law on licencing lawyers, but i've never heard of anything other than a requirement to graduate from an aba-accredited law school and there are aba accredited schools that run night school and alternative programs like that. they can't go below three years, but they can exceed three years. i don't have a problem with your basic argument about loosening licencing restrictions where they're not needed but all of the stuff you're saying about law is just oddly wrong.
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I mean, lol at Republicans ever enforcing an anti trust law against a company that goes to bat for them. I would love to see Zuckerberg and Facebook blow up like the Hindenberg for this, but with our own senate minority leader in the tank it ain't happening Seriously, gently caress Chuck
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:A few tweets and some Hill clickbait don't equate to "staying in the media". By Hillary standards she's been practically invisible. If it's impossible to tell whether a political dynasty stadium tour is just more grift to cash out, or prepping for another run at the White House, or possibly both, then you have enormous problems both within and without that political dynasty. https://www.vividseats.com/blog/bill-hillary-clinton-tour-dates
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There's probably some value in, like, two weeks of basic sanitation and safety training past that yeah scam, we can agree with the libertarians here
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Kobayashi posted:They’ll take advantage of the “blue no matter who” idiots and run as Democrats. Blue no matter who is only a strategy until the current iteration of the Republican party is relegated to the dustbin of history. If the Democrats become the party of evil and whatever comes next after the current Republican party is vanquished is the better choice then the strategy would change. Lightning Knight posted:lmao we're extremely doomed to global warming and nobody is even mad about it. Oh plenty of people are mad about it. It's just not the people who have any actual power to do anything about it.
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Skex posted:Blue no matter who is only a strategy until the current iteration of the Republican party is relegated to the dustbin of history. "You see, our playbook? We base it entirely on what the other guys do. Pure defense, no offense. It's the way to win this thing, for sure." STOP LETTING THE ASSHOLES SET YOUR AGENDA. THAT IS A LOSER'S GAME.
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Kobayashi posted:They’ll take advantage of the “blue no matter who” idiots and run as Democrats. reminder: primary elections exist
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So President Goodbrains' response to GM shuttering a bunch of plants and laying off thousands of people is to scream, cry, stamp his feet and go "SO UNFAIR!!!!"?
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sexpig by night posted:license based systems are bad. I'm currently about to enter education to become a funeral director and oh hey look the license system is entirely built to funnel money to like, two major brands of both education and employment and provides nothing for some kinda safety measure that can't be gained through the normal apprenticeship process under a system with strong consumer and worker protections! I'm working with a dude right now who literally had to pay for school, licensing, and all that and then had to do apprentice stuff anyway because that's just how the business works if you're not inheriting a family mortuary or whatever. It's literally just the state (with fifty bespoke and unique standards so god help you if you move like I probably will be soon) making you dump your money and time in a pit before you're allowed to do things the way they should be anyway. Do you feel the same way about, say, the medical profession? I agree that a lot of licensing requirements are extortionate bullshit, but I don't like the idea of some professions not having some kind of licensing requirement .
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evilweasel posted:reminder: primary elections exist Democratic voters have made it clear that they're perfectly willing to elect poo poo tier Democrats like Donnelly in primaries.
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Maybe its just me, but has anyone else noticed (with few exceptions) that the more terrible, CHUD'ier people on Facebook have generally shut the gently caress up about politics? As recently as a year ago my feed was littered with MAGA poo poo and "lol liberals", and now nothing. Just family stuff, food videos, sappy inspirational crap, and humor. No politics. Its as if they now know at some deep lizard brain level that they voted for poo poo and are deeply ashamed (but come election day they will angrily vote for the racist because its too hard to admit you had and still have terrible political opinions).
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1067487019595640832 On one hand, I could see juries returning "not guilty on the basis of not deporting someone for loitering" verdicts. On the other, God help you if you're facing a jury of MAGA chuds.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:So President Goodbrains' response to GM shuttering a bunch of plants and laying off thousands of people is to scream, cry, stamp his feet and go "SO UNFAIR!!!!"? No he's literally threatening them
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Rigel posted:Maybe its just me, but has anyone else noticed (with few exceptions) that the more terrible, CHUD'ier people on Facebook have generally shut the gently caress up about politics? As recently as a year ago my feed was littered with MAGA poo poo and "lol liberals", and now nothing. Just family stuff, food videos, sappy inspirational crap, and humor. No politics. Its as if they now know at some deep lizard brain level that they voted for poo poo and are deeply ashamed (but come election day they will angrily vote for the racist because its too hard to admit you had and still have terrible political opinions). I think this is a very anecdotal frame of reference and there's no way to make a meaningful statement based on this kind of evidence.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:So President Goodbrains' response to GM shuttering a bunch of plants and laying off thousands of people is to scream, cry, stamp his feet and go "SO UNFAIR!!!!"? It's his response to pretty much any bad news, why change now? Also, good lord John Bolton is a dick: https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1067493743484436480
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Brony Car posted:Do you feel the same way about, say, the medical profession? Think about what gears the license and what the license is motivated by. Is it to test competency, or does it have baked in requirements that are prejudicial/anti-competitive? As for Evilweasel's comments, I can only say what has happened in my state, which has actually closed law schools, and has had very few respected schools to begin with. The bar here really is anti-competitive with its practices, such as the work requirement. Fed can't touch it because they say it's a state licensing issue though.
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The Glumslinger posted:The man made some tweets GM wanting to leave US because it's cheaper and easier Trump pleads for them to stay Trump starts trade war to make things hard again GM starts leaving Trump has meltdown, blames everyone but himself Yeah, this pattern is pretty normal
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Is it possible to pass the bar without going to law school Self-study and all that
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1067487019595640832 Nowhere for it to really go-- New York is extraordinarily dumb in having the New York Supreme Court be the trial court level. What the other states call the supreme court, the court of final appeal, is the Court of Appeals, who made this ruling. Unless there's an appeal to SCOTUS to take a swing at this once more, it's done, and it'll apply throughout New York from here on out.
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Brony Car posted:Do you feel the same way about, say, the medical profession?
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Lightning Knight posted:
Here's a fun trivia bit: the organization that handles funeral service examinations is called The Conference. I don't understand why they picked a name for their group that is so loving ominous, but
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Is it possible to pass the bar without going to law school In California, Virginia, Vermont, and Washington state, you can still take the bar exam without going to law school, although you must apprentice with an attorney for some time before they'll let you be one on your own.
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Rigel posted:Maybe its just me, but has anyone else noticed (with few exceptions) that the more terrible, CHUD'ier people on Facebook have generally shut the gently caress up about politics? As recently as a year ago my feed was littered with MAGA poo poo and "lol liberals", and now nothing. Just family stuff, food videos, sappy inspirational crap, and humor. No politics. Its as if they now know at some deep lizard brain level that they voted for poo poo and are deeply ashamed (but come election day they will angrily vote for the racist because its too hard to admit you had and still have terrible political opinions). I haven't noticed because I stopped toxic family members crap from showing on my feed. Although I have heard of one saying they are taking a break from posting/reading it so much
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Anti-licensing lolbertarians love talking about hair braiding and cosmetology but hate talking about Civil Engineering, medicine, and building/contracting. I don't think you're going to find anyone who disagrees that the hair braiding thing is bullshit but they never stop there. It moves on to "and it's too hard to become a lawyer!" and just becomes self-parody. See also: the collected works of Shoshanna Weissman.
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Rigel posted:Maybe its just me, but has anyone else noticed (with few exceptions) that the more terrible, CHUD'ier people on Facebook have generally shut the gently caress up about politics? As recently as a year ago my feed was littered with MAGA poo poo and "lol liberals", and now nothing. Just family stuff, food videos, sappy inspirational crap, and humor. No politics. Its as if they now know at some deep lizard brain level that they voted for poo poo and are deeply ashamed (but come election day they will angrily vote for the racist because its too hard to admit you had and still have terrible political opinions). Probably all shifted to youtube where they circle the wagons around morons that make vids like "Ben Shapiro is actually a genius" or coming up with excuses why Trump leaving an umbrella entering AF1 or skipping the WWI memorial is really cool and good
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TheScott2K posted:Anti-licensing lolbertarians love talking about hair braiding and cosmetology but hate talking about Civil Engineering, medicine, and building/contracting. I don't think you're going to find anyone who disagrees that the hair braiding thing is bullshit but they never stop there. It moves on to "and it's too hard to become a lawyer!" and just becomes self-parody. See also: the collected works of Shoshanna Weissman. I've never said it's too hard to become a lawyer -- I'm saying it's too hard for some specific people groups to become lawyers because they are discriminated against. so it's actually the opposite of a libertarian argument.
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